Don't be shy to fly our flag

Woodrow said:
Now that I have probably been guilty of being the cause of getting this thread side tracked. Let us briefly try to put this all into perspective and return to the topic.

I believe that although the topic was directed towards Malaysia, a side topic did come as an after thought that being. How much loyalty and respect should a person show towards the country they choose to live it. I believe nearly all of us are in agreement that we all need to abide to live by the laws of the country we choose to live in. That we do need to show minimal respect, as long as it is not contrary to our beliefs. That we do have a responsability to recognise any faults in our governments and to promote peacefull means to change any wrongs.

I can agree with syilla that the flag is merely recognision of gained freedoms and it does not have to be a replacement of Nationalism over religion.

So, to return this to topic. Is it possible to fly the flag with pride and not have it become a substitute for Allah(swt)
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We just flying the flags..... not worshipping those flags..... it's my country 49th birthday.......
 
north_malaysian said:
We just flying the flags..... not worshipping those flags..... it's my country 49th birthday.......
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With much memories for your countries struggle to gain independance 49 years ago. It is good to remember the efforts it took your people to acheive that.
 
Woodrow said:
With much memories for your countries struggle to gain independance 49 years ago. It is good to remember the efforts it took your people to acheive that.
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Do you know how we gain independence....? we just sent a delegation consists of Malays, Chinese and Indians to England for a discussion for our independent .. AND GOT IT....:D

But lots of lives lost during Japanese Occupation and Communist rebellion.
 
north_malaysian said:
Do you know how we gain independence....? we just sent a delegation consists of Malays, Chinese and Indians to England for a discussion for our independent .. AND GOT IT....:D

But lots of lives lost during Japanese Occupation and Communist rebellion.
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I was thinking in terms of the Japanese Occupation and the Communist Rebellion. I was not aware that your actual independance was gained so peacefully. That is a much better history to have then to have a history of war to gain independance. Perhaps we can all learn from what your country did.
 
Woodrow said:
I was thinking in terms of the Japanese Occupation and the Communist Rebellion. I was not aware that your actual independance was gained so peacefully. That is a much better history to have then to have a history of war to gain independance. Perhaps we can all learn from what your country did.
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I agree, most countries beginings are blood stained.
 
Woodrow said:
I was thinking in terms of the Japanese Occupation and the Communist Rebellion. I was not aware that your actual independance was gained so peacefully. That is a much better history to have then to have a history of war to gain independance. Perhaps we can all learn from what your country did.
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...well many younger generations ACTUALLY regretted that...

...coz ... our Federal Constitution ... is done by British... so do our laws...

Indonesia and Philippines, firstly cant accept our independent because the considered Malaysia as British 'proxy' in Southeast asia...... there is even a confrontation with Indonesia once...

Yeah... and Muslims in Pattani (south thailand) cursing our country for choosing to incorporate Sabah and Sarawak (in Borneo) into Malaysia, but not Pattani....
 
HISTORY OF MALAYSIA TIMELINES

3rd Century BC - Several small Hindu kingdoms exist in the Peninsula Malaysia

7th Century - Under the rule of Hindu Empire of Srivijaya (Sumatra)

13th Century - Under the rule of Buddhist Empire of Sukhothai (Thailand)

1400 - Parameswara (a prince from Srivijaya) founded Malacca. Within a few years he converted to Islam and renamed his kingdom as Sultanate of Malacca. Few decades later, Sultanate of Malacca ruled Peninsula Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Sumatra and parts of Borneo.

1511 - Portuguese seized Malacca. Sultanate of Malacca broke up into smaller Sultanates all over Malay world.

1641 - Dutch ruled Malacca with helps from Malay Sultans. Buginese immigrants from Indonesia seized several Sultanates and Minangkabau immigrants (also from Indonesia) established their small kingdom in Peninsula Malaysia. Sultanates in northern Malaysia was re-conquered by Thailand.

1786 - British opened Penang Island.

1824 - British took over Malacca from the Dutch.

1877 - Millions of Immigrants from China, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Burma, Yemen, Japan migrated to Malaya.

1891 - British ruled Sabah and sarawak (in borneo)

1909 - British ruled all over Malay Peninsula.

1941 - WWII. Occupied by the Japanese. 40,000 Chinese killed. Chinese established Communist Party of Malaya to oust the Japanese.

1945 - British came back and supported by Malays, Indians and elites among Chinese. But the Communists demanded independence. Many killings between Malays and Communist happened.

1946 - British annouced a plan for 'Malayan Union' a unitary state with a view of independence within a few years. Citizenship would be given to all regardless of race. Opposed by Malays. Malay Nationalists established UMNO (United Malays National Organisation) which favoured for independent of Malaya which will be run exclusively by Malays. Faced with strong Malay opposition, the British dropped the plan.

1948 - "Malayan Emergency" started as Communist Party demanded an independent country with equal rights among all races. Many terrorist acts done by Commmunists against Britons and Malays.

1949 - Moderate Chinese formed Malayan Chinese Association (MCA) which favoured a policy of colloboration with UMNO.

1952-1955 - UMNO-MCA-MIC (Malayan Indian Congress) Alliance won elections.

1955-1956 - The new ruling party (UMNO-MCA-MIC Alliance) and British hammered out a new constitution for a new country of Malaya/

1957 - Malaya achieved independence.

1961 - Malaysia was formed with inclusion of Sabah and Sarawak.
 
north_malaysian said:
HISTORY OF MALAYSIA TIMELINES

3rd Century BC - Several small Hindu kingdoms exist in the Peninsula Malaysia

7th Century - Under the rule of Hindu Empire of Srivijaya (Sumatra)

13th Century - Under the rule of Buddhist Empire of Sukhothai (Thailand)

1400 - Parameswara (a prince from Srivijaya) founded Malacca. Within a few years he converted to Islam and renamed his kingdom as Sultanate of Malacca. Few decades later, Sultanate of Malacca ruled Peninsula Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Sumatra and parts of Borneo.

1511 - Portuguese seized Malacca. Sultanate of Malacca broke up into smaller Sultanates all over Malay world.

1641 - Dutch ruled Malacca with helps from Malay Sultans. Buginese immigrants from Indonesia seized several Sultanates and Minangkabau immigrants (also from Indonesia) established their small kingdom in Peninsula Malaysia. Sultanates in northern Malaysia was re-conquered by Thailand.

1786 - British opened Penang Island.

1824 - British took over Malacca from the Dutch.

1877 - Millions of Immigrants from China, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Burma, Yemen, Japan migrated to Malaya.

1891 - British ruled Sabah and sarawak (in borneo)

1909 - British ruled all over Malay Peninsula.

1941 - WWII. Occupied by the Japanese. 40,000 Chinese killed. Chinese established Communist Party of Malaya to oust the Japanese.

1945 - British came back and supported by Malays, Indians and elites among Chinese. But the Communists demanded independence. Many killings between Malays and Communist happened.

1946 - British annouced a plan for 'Malayan Union' a unitary state with a view of independence within a few years. Citizenship would be given to all regardless of race. Opposed by Malays. Malay Nationalists established UMNO (United Malays National Organisation) which favoured for independent of Malaya which will be run exclusively by Malays. Faced with strong Malay opposition, the British dropped the plan.

1948 - "Malayan Emergency" started as Communist Party demanded an independent country with equal rights among all races. Many terrorist acts done by Commmunists against Britons and Malays.

1949 - Moderate Chinese formed Malayan Chinese Association (MCA) which favoured a policy of colloboration with UMNO.

1952-1955 - UMNO-MCA-MIC (Malayan Indian Congress) Alliance won elections.

1955-1956 - The new ruling party (UMNO-MCA-MIC Alliance) and British hammered out a new constitution for a new country of Malaya/

1957 - Malaya achieved independence.

1961 - Malaysia was formed with inclusion of Sabah and Sarawak.
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I'm sure you copy this from the history book...

or did you memorise all of this... :rollseyes:

if you did...then you must be a good lawyer :P
 
syilla said:
I'm sure you copy this from the history book...

or did you memorise all of this... :rollseyes:

if you did...then you must be a good lawyer :P
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Of course I've taken it from 'a source' - anyone can guess. But I've got 'A2' in History for SPM:p. I love history...
 

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