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BaarakAllaahu Feekum for your replies. Sad thing is that every now and then, we get the occasional LI member who sparks of the 'music is halaal' debate. We've had dozens of threads like this in the past... but to no avail.

The evidence posted on this thread is clear now, it's all just down to you now brutha!
 
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But there are three excpetions, i.e on the two `Eids, weddings, and to celebrate the arrival from travel of a respected individual. And only the duff is allowed, and it is only to be played by women.
Check this thread out, inshallah.
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I am reading Luqman 31:6 right now . . .

What I get from the meaning is that the people who gather false claims and proofs against Allah to mislead people. I can't see the connection to music . . .

There are a lot of songs for Allah! Sami Yusuf for example.

I believe that not all music is haraam. A lot of the scholars say this too. As long as it's reasonable, it's not a woman singer, etc . . . it's okay
 
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What I get from the meaning is that the people who gather false claims and proofs against Allah to mislead people. I can't see the connection to music . . .
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akh, the verses in the quran and the hadiths are subject to interpretations!!! they are not for average person like you and me to understand them how we want. we cant take them at 'face value.' thats what scholars are for. where is the respect for our scholars :(
There are a lot of songs for Allah! Sami Yusuf for example.
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Woah! that dosnt make it legal.

A lot of the scholars say this too.
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i doubt reliable ones would say that....
As long as it's reasonable, it's not a woman singer, etc . . . it's okay
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evidence?
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I know its illegal but i download games from the internet and the most recent game i downloaded was FOOTBALL MANAGER 2008
 
maryam11 said:
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akh, the verses in the quran and the hadiths are subject to interpretations!!! they are not for average person like you and me to understand them how we want. we cant take them at 'face value.' thats what scholars are for. where is the respect for our scholars :(

Woah! that dosnt make it legal.


i doubt reliable ones would say that....

evidence?
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I know, but their interpetation doesn't make any sense to me (and many others). There's a lotta difference between the scholars, some believe it's haraam, some believe not all music is haraam. I seriously don't know their names, but I've asked them or their representative via email and phone. I've received both haraam and not haraam with certain condition answers from them
 
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :
`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`

Would you like it any more black and white than that?
An authentic hadith states that the use of musical instruments is HARAM. There's no if's and but's, no "if it doesn't have swearing" or "if other muslims do it".

By the way, just to add, just because a lot of muslims do something, that doesn't make it halal. Do you honestly believe that? I know a lot of muslims that date, drink alchohol, go swimming in bikinis, deal with interest, gamble. Are you honestly trying to say that when a lot of people do something that makes it okay? I mean, come on..
 
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thats what scholars are for. where is the respect for our scholars :(
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Indeed!

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One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :
`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`

Would you like it any more black and white than that?
An authentic hadith states that the use of musical instruments is HARAM. There's no if's and but's, no "if it doesn't have swearing" or "if other muslims do it".

By the way, just to add, just because a lot of muslims do something, that doesn't make it halal. Do you honestly believe that? I know a lot of muslims that date, drink alchohol, go swimming in bikinis, deal with interest, gamble. Are you honestly trying to say that when a lot of people do something that makes it okay? I mean, come on..
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Jazaakillaah Khayr.
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Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:

that he heard the Prophet (saw) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


Bukhaari...

Bro Mohsen1985, your just a proof of this prohecy...Its not even debatable, not even considerable...

Open your eyes and read and believe the evidence, not what you want to believe...

Wa Alaikum Salaam Wa Rehmatullaah
 
Care to name a few?
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My father is a religion teacher so I consider him as a scholar, my cousin knows imams which also should be considered as scholars.


Hadith (الحديث transliteration: al-ḥadīth/ "Talk Nabawi") are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

Where do you find your source for your hadiths that you are naming? Internet is NOT a safe source in any way, anyone could corrupt it unless it's a website that have one or several scholar(s), but that could be hard to find out if it's really a scholar isn't it? I don't think it's very clever to read the Qu'ran on the internet either, unless you Really know that it is a safe web. Or other islamic information, since there are a lot of people today unfortunately that dislikes Islam.
 
The source of that hadith is sahih bukhari, as written in the post above. :)
 
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The source of that hadith is sahih bukhari, as written in the post above. :)
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Salam Aleikum

Did you have this book in your hands and typed it into the reply box or did you find it somewhere in the internet and copied the text into the reply box?
 
It's a well known sahih hadith.
I've read it before, not online, in several books and pamphlets, but this time I got it from the internet.
 
I hope when any one said that music is haraam .. don't content with this saying and STOP!!

because NOT ALL music are haraam .. WIND instruments & STRINGED instruments are HARAAM and other is NOT.

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As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Ma'aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened.

The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allah and lying about His Laws.

What is mustahabb (recommended) is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allah.

Wa salaam

Allah Hafiz
Sister Fatima
 
To be honest, I convert to a good citizen. YES, I can say it loud: All my Windows XP/VISTA etc...are all legal. YES, I bought then. I'm tired of always beeing afraid that I cannot make upgrades, security patches, etc....

Hey, even my favorite games, I bought them on Amazon. I just downloaded the game 'BioShock' recently. What a disaster. It took me ages to download (more than 6GB File) and when it was finally downloaded I got an heartattack: It was in italian. Arrrghhh. So I end up buying it.
Same story for good Internet Security. People, buy your software. At least, you can download everyday the new virus database and newest spam-threats.

I'm off from the 'download-all-what-you-can' trip, it's nonsense.


my 2 cents

peace
 

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