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RighteousLady said:
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Ma'aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened.

The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allah and lying about His Laws.

What is mustahabb (recommended) is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allah.

Wa salaam

Allah Hafiz
Sister Fatima
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thank you sister .. but did you said that singing is haraam, I believe that there a dissidence about music, however NO one said that singing is haram whether who sing is a man or woman ..

sister If you read the memoir of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him you can understand what Iam saying.

finally, I hope you read [The Revival of the Religions Sciences (Iḥyaʾ ʿulum al-dīn)] by Al-Ghazali .. On Music & singing.

I hope it can help you Insha'allah.
 
Greetings,
JeffX said:
Well yes of course. I had assumed illegal methods like torrents and peer to peer networking.
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Those methods are not necessarily illegal. Sharing copyrighted material is illegal, yes, but that's not the only material that is available via those means.

I use torrents all the time to download concerts for which nobody owns the copyright, which is not against the law.

Peace
 
If it's really a known sahih hadith, then explain why the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listened to music, the muslim world listens to music. Walk in a Iranian street and you might hear the music, Saudi Arabia etc.
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u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof? :?
Also why would you choose to accept the words of SOME (not all-actually the minority) scholars over the Prophet's and Allah's words???
I recall that one of the things that make a person disbelive in Allah is HATING SOMETHING THAT THE PROPHET TOLD US TO DO
(even if you do it but you just hate it)
brother i think you should think about what you are doing before you go of making false statements an ddebating over it with no Ilm

Ma'salamah


(no offence)
 
Greetings,
muslimah421 said:
u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof? :?
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That's an excellent question. Let's see if an answer is forthcoming.

Kaitoli: I can see that you are resisting this information, and I can perfectly understand that it would be upsetting to discover that your religion forbids something you enjoy. You must do what you think is right, and I am sure you will.

Peace
 
jzcasejz said:
You dismiss a commonly quoted Hadeeth and come up with the lamest of the lamest excuses. And to top it off, you make some nonsense about VVahhabi scholars. Many of the scholars of the past disallowed music too you know.

There's no point in arguing this anymore as this thread isn't getting anywhere. Salaam Bro.
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muslimah421 said:
u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof? :?
Also why would you choose to accept the words of SOME (not all-actually the minority) scholars over the Prophet's and Allah's words???
brother i think you should think about what you are doing before you go of making false statements an ddebating over it with no Ilm

Ma'salamah


(no offence)
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Salam Aleikum

muslimah421 said:
u say the prophet listened to music??????????? do u have any prooof? :?
Also why would you choose to accept the words of SOME (not all-actually the minority) scholars over the Prophet's and Allah's words???
I recall that one of the things that make a person disbelive in Allah is HATING SOMETHING THAT THE PROPHET TOLD US TO DO
(even if you do it but you just hate it)
brother i think you should think about what you are doing before you go of making false statements an ddebating over it with no Ilm

Ma'salamah


(no offence)
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Yes, I have proof that the prophet listened to music, I have asked a scholar about that.
I don't disbelieve in Allah, I believe in Allah and I am a muslim.
I don't hate what the prophet told us to do, he didn't tell us muslims to stop listening to music.
Ebtisweetsam said:
Well then ur one in a million.....
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No, it's the opposite, it's you who are one in a billion. Just open the TV or travel to a muslim country and you will see that music is allowed and world wide over the muslim world. If I recall it correctly a country in Africa prohibited music, but the majority of muslim countries allows it. Though it doesn't matter, it's not what the muslims does which is important it is the Qu'ran and what the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) said
 
Would you mind enlightening us all with this proof?
 
You don't remember the hadith that stated that the prophet peace be upon him listened to music? Or the story of it?
 
When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.
 
Kaitoli said:
When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.
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No the sister was asking can you remember what Hadeeth or sources the scholar gave in his reply to your question. And another thing, if you don't mind me asking, who and from where is this scholar?
 
^^^ yeah who gave him the authority to speak against like 99% of this ummah's shcolars? brother you're stubburn with yiour belief but u never give us proof of anything???
 
Kaitoli said:
When I asked the scholar I didn't ask for the hadith or the story, I asked him something similar to this.. "Did the prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) listen to music" and he answered me.
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Bro it sounds like ur a sufi... am i right? Music is definetly prohibited in islam, in the eyes of ALL sunni Muslim scholars.
 
jzcasejz said:
No the sister was asking can you remember what Hadeeth or sources the scholar gave in his reply to your question. And another thing, if you don't mind me asking, who and from where is this scholar?
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The scholar is my father. We are kurds from Iraq.

Ebtisweetsam said:
Bro it sounds like ur a sufi... am i right? Music is definetly prohibited in islam, in the eyes of ALL sunni Muslim scholars.
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I am not a sufi, I am a shia muslim.
 
Kaitoli said:
The scholar is my father. We are kurds from Iraq.



I am not a sufi, I am a shia muslim.
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OK, JazaakAllaah Khayr for the clarification - all seems to make more sense now. Anyways, what was this topic originally about? Oh yeah, downloading of music, videos etc...

Well, downloading from the internet is not alltogether a "wrong" thing. But say you're downloading movies, software and music that is copyright, then that is forbidden in Islaam.

Where's the proof for all I said? I won't even bother since the daleel could "easily become corrupted by someone like, an atheist, muslim haters or other factions" :rolleyes:
 
I have recently stopped downloading games because I find it haram for the PC, but I have a nintendo which I download games for yet, I heard before that there are so many ways to stop games to be exploited but they (the game producers) are still not doing anything, maybe this is because they want people to download it to later advertise to people they know.. for example... I download a new game... and I will tell my friend that this game is fun, and soon we both might buy it or it might result that we both download it..

Yes, the information could easily be corrupted if you find it on the internet ;)
 

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