Dutch ex-Muslim producing The Life of Muhammad

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Izyan said:
His walk with Allah might have been magnificent but that doesn't make him any better than you.
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mate, just stop here! When did he ever walk with Allah, Prophet Muhammad was the greatest creation of Allah, don't insult him by saying he was no better that us, he spread the message of islam thats more than enough to make him better than anyone ever created
 
aadil77 said:
mate, just stop here! When did he ever walk with Allah, Prophet Muhammad was the greatest creation of Allah, don't insult him by saying he was no better that us, he spread the message of islam thats more than enough to make him better than anyone ever created
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When I say walk I mean his devotion, faith, steadfastness to the tenets of Allah. His discipline and unflenching dedication. Saying that Muhammed was Allah's greatest creation is bordering on idoltry in my eyes. Was Isa and Musa lesser prophets? Didn't they also spread the message of Islam to great heights before the holy books were "corrupted"?
 
Izyan said:
Muhammed was born in this world and he died in this world. He bled, he cried, he felt. He was just a man. He might have been special but in the end he was still just a man same as all the prophets. Aren't we all children of Allah? Do you think Allah would show more favor over a prophet than he would you? His walk with Allah might have been magnificent but that doesn't make him any better than you. We are all created in Allahs image. As the bible says "All men have fallen short of the glory of God". All men, ALL.
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Of couse all men fall short of the glory of God, God is infinitely greater than anybody, prophet or not. But the Prophet (peace be upon him) was not just any man as you said before. The Prophet (peace be upon him) was (according to Islamic belief, I'm not sure whether you are a Muslim as in another post I recall you claiming to be a christian) the final messenger, the final nabi, the best of Creation. As that famous English naat goes, he was Muhammad (peace be upon him), mercy for all mankind!

As for 'children of God', this is not a Muslim belief, and I don't think 'created in God's image' is either. Humans are not God's children, they are (or should be) his loving servants.
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I wasborn a muslim, raised a muslim and was a practising muslim until my 20s. I then became a Christian.
 
Izyan said:
When I say walk I mean his devotion, faith, steadfastness to the tenets of Allah. His discipline and unflenching dedication. Saying that Muhammed was Allah's greatest creation is bordering on idoltry in my eyes. Was Isa and Musa lesser prophets? Didn't they also spread the message of Islam to great heights before the holy books were "corrupted"?
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Hold on, hold on , idolatry? No other prophet went through more hardships than our prophet Muhammad,
no other prophet did more for the muslim Ummah than our prophet Muhammad.

The Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) was the best creation of all, its a known fact

Yes prophets before did spread islam and go through hardships, they will be held high for that on the day of judgement, but not as high as the Prophet Muhammad
 
aadil77 said:
Hold on, hold on , idolatry? No other prophet went through more hardships than our prophet Muhammad,
no other prophet did more for the muslim Ummah than our prophet Muhammad.

The Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) was the best creation of all, its a known fact

Yes prophets before did spread islam and go through hardships, they will be held high for that on the day of judgement, but not as high as the Prophet Muhammad
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This is one of the reasons why I left Islam. I could not reconcile in myself how it seemed like most muslims exalted Muhammed to diety level almost on par with Allah himself. I see a lot of muslim give muhammed more praise than Allah and it didn't sit well with me.
 
aadil77 said:
Hold on, hold on , idolatry? No other prophet went through more hardships than our prophet Muhammad,
no other prophet did more for the muslim Ummah than our prophet Muhammad.

The Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) was the best creation of all, its a known fact

Yes prophets before did spread islam and go through hardships, they will be held high for that on the day of judgement, but not as high as the Prophet Muhammad
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EDIT: the other guy posted before me! Do'h! Just change that to 'the guy's post I quoted= truth.
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Izyan said:
This is one of the reasons why I left Islam. I could not reconcile in myself how it seemed like most muslims exalted Muhammed to diety level almost on par with Allah himself. I see a lot of muslim give muhammed more praise than Allah and it didn't sit well with me.
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I could say the exact same about christians worshipping a prophet in churchs across the world, whilst not even mentioning the Creator himself who created him
 
We keep the Prophet is high esteem, but will never fall as low as you, by saying he was no better than any other person
 
Izyan said:
This is one of the reasons why I left Islam. I could not reconcile in myself how it seemed like most muslims exalted Muhammed to diety level almost on par with Allah himself. I see a lot of muslim give muhammed more praise than Allah and it didn't sit well with me.
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I too feel that sometimes people don't talk about Allah enough in masjids, but I don't think that they overrate the Prophet (peace be upon him). And remember, when people read zikr, that is about remembering Allah (Allah hu!). And Salah. And dua. And a whole load of other things. And the entire basis of Islam.

Anyway, why Christianity? If the activities of Muslims got you irritated, then why go to a community which has a ton of other 'social' problems of its own? I suppose why you left is more than that for you though, am I right?
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I think if we continue as we are we will all be in trouble. So I say peace unto you my brother and no hard feelings.
 
Fishman said:
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I too feel that sometimes people don't talk about Allah enough in masjids, but I don't think that they overrate the Prophet (peace be upon him). And remember, when people read zikr, that is about remembering Allah (Allah hu!). And Salah. And dua. And a whole load of other things. And the entire basis of Islam.

Anyway, why Christianity? If the activities of Muslims got you irritated, then why go to a community which has a ton of other 'social' problems of its own? I suppose why you left is more than that for you though, am I right?
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You are correct. What "social" problems do christianity have?
 
Izyan said:
You are correct. What "social" problems do christianity have?
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These are not problems with Christianity, but Christians:
Christians living 'unchristian' lifestyles, rampant secularism and apostacy (at least in the west) to atheism and repeated attempts to water down and liberalise Christianity to suit the needs of modern society.

To defuse allegations of bias:
In my opinion, the main problems that Muslims have are being obsessed with external enemies, the adoption of western gangsta rap culture by young people, a very prevelant victim complex and a general lack of organisation. Again, these are problems that Muslims have and not Islam as a Religion.
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May Allah give them what they deserve! ameen!

No matter how hard they try... insha Allah they can never make our beliefs change!
 
He has apparently canceled this movie after a plea from the Justice minister to not inflame emotions any further. He now says he doesn't want to drive a wedge between different communities.
 
KAding said:
He has apparently canceled this movie after a plea from the Justice minister to not inflame emotions any further. He now says he doesn't want to drive a wedge between different communities.
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Alhamdulillah! Where did you heard that from?
 
I was reading a nationally sold comic called Viz recently.
I'd rather not repeat on this site what the cartoon showed Jesus doing, but it was far less respectful than Life of Brian, and much more insulting than the actions of mohammed apparently portrayed in this book.

Over 70000 people read Viz each month. They mentioned Islam once in all the years Ive read it.
One of the characters who each week visits a church and takes the micky out of christianity, decides to go to the mosque instead to "poke gentle fun at Islam".
Theres a Mosque with a smiling Imam and a woman in Hijab.
Halfway across the road, he spins around and says "on second thoughts, i'll just go to the Christian church again, I beleive there holding a Alterboy auction this week"
 
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