Dutch ex-Muslim producing The Life of Muhammad

[barney]

I notice that someone posted "no other prophet suffered like Mohammed"

I know mohammed had a lot of people call him mad and reject him and laugh at him, i know that he had some assassination attempts, none of which injured him.
I know he died peacefully in his bed, the ruler of a powerful and expanding empire adored and revered by hundreds of thousands.

Jesus got laughed at, called mad, rejected, then was flogged and nailed to a cross where he hung till he died.

Just my twopenneth, but I know who's sandals i would have chosen.

 

[Malaikah]

That film is just ridiculous, how low people will go!

This is one of the reasons why I left Islam. I could not reconcile in myself how it seemed like most muslims exalted Muhammed to diety level almost on par with Allah himself. I see a lot of muslim give muhammed more praise than Allah and it didn't sit well with me.

This bothered you, and so to make things better for your self, you join a religion that makes it no secret that they worship a human being as the Son of God??

... right then.

I know mohammed had a lot of people call him mad and reject him and laugh at him, i know that he had some assassination attempts, none of which injured him.
I know he died peacefully in his bed, the ruler of a powerful and expanding empire adored and revered by hundreds of thousands.

This is so untrue. He was injured heaps of times! What about when he visited Taif, they chased him out of the city throwing stones at him! He was injured in battles, for 13 years him and his followers were oppressed in Makkah. He had to see his followers being tortured to death. He had camels guts thrown at him only because he prayed at the Kabba.For three years he and his people were exiled and boycotted, they had such little food that they had to eat the leaves of trees! And even when things got better and he was a powerful ruler, his household was still poor, to the extent that they would go months with nothing to eat but date and water! He went on six expeditions during which he and his followers had nothing to eat other than locusts!

Jee, talk about selective history. :exhausted

Jesus got laughed at, called mad, rejected, then was flogged and nailed to a cross where he hung till he died.

Except that he was not crucified at all.

He has apparently canceled this movie after a plea from the Justice minister to not inflame emotions any further. He now says he doesn't want to drive a wedge between different communities.

Right, then why plan the film in the first place? +o(

 

[barney]

I read a biography of the prophet called "The Messenger", written by a muslim. It skipped the injurys from stones and also diddnt mention getting wounded in battle. Was he ever wounded? Where abouts?

I admit i havnt read up on all the battles of the prophet, but in the ones i have read, Badar, the trench etc, he was sitting in a command post away from the fighting. (I dont have a problem with that, i think it's a militarily wise move.)

I know about the intestine incident. The perpertraters were cursed by him and they ended up down a well.

I know that at times he was at times low on food and support, especially in the just post-meccan phase. I know he was exiled. I know that he preached for years without much support until after Badar.

Jesus went into the desert for 40 days and nights. Christians would argue he did die on a cross, and one roman historian writing some decades later agree he did.

If Jesus was crucified to death, then that , in my opinion only, is worse than going hungry and being laughed at.
Still your perfectly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Malaikah]

I read a biography of the prophet called "The Messenger", written by a muslim. It skipped the injurys from stones and also diddnt mention getting wounded in battle. Was he ever wounded? Where abouts?

Fair enough. It was during Uhud (which happened between Badr and the Trench), his face was stuck and his teeth were injured. If I remember correctly, it was his cheek.

If Jesus was crucified to death, then that , in my opinion only, is worse than going hungry and being laughed at.
Still your perfectly entitled to your opinion.

It's a very subjective thing, of course. Anyway, I'm not here to argue which prophet suffered more - based on my limited understanding, neither of them would come first. Ayyoub (Job) suffered heaps, so did many other Prophets like Moses and Ya'qoub (Jacob/Israel). As Muslim I don't involve myselfs in arguments about Prophet X was better than Prophet Y. They are all Prophets and they all have my respect.

 

[barney]

Yipes! Yeah, I totally forgot about that one! he was indeed hit by a slingshot and got a cut on his lip just after the Muslim lines collapsed and the meccan cavelry enveloped them and charged in their rear.

I agree its a bit pointless really speculating on the suffering of prophets. I agree Job was certainly put through the mill, and Daniel being chucked into a pit of lions was pretty rough.

 

[Uthman]

What about when he visited Taif, they chased him out of the city throwing stones at him!

He bled so much that his feet became clotted to his shoes. If only more Muslims would look at how he responded!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I notice that someone posted "no other prophet suffered like Mohammed"

I know mohammed had a lot of people call him mad and reject him and laugh at him, i know that he had some assassination attempts, none of which injured him.
I know he died peacefully in his bed, the ruler of a powerful and expanding empire adored and revered by hundreds of thousands.

Jesus got laughed at, called mad, rejected, then was flogged and nailed to a cross where he hung till he died.

Just my twopenneth, but I know who's sandals i would have chosen.

That's untrue! (Jesus was one as you state)

Guru Arjan, 1563-1606

Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Sahib Ji was the fifth Sikh Guru and the first Sikh martyr: he gave up his life for the Sikh Religion.

Martyrdom

Guru Arjan Dev included the compositions of both Hindu and Muslim saints which he considered consistent with the teachings of Sikhism and the Gurus.

In 1606, the Muslim Emperor Jahangir ordered that he be tortured and sentenced to death after he refused to remove all Islamic and Hindu references from the Holy book.

He was made to sit on a burning hot sheet while boiling hot sand was poured over his burnt body. After enduring five days of unrelenting torture Guru Arjan Dev was taken for a bath in the river. As thousands watched he entered the river never to be seen again.

During the torture Guru Ji, did notutter a word of pain, he sat there praying, but felt no pain, just uttered 'Tera Bana Lage Mitta' (Your Will Is Sweet To Me Lord, God)

The way in which he died changed the course of Sikhism forever.

Guru Tegh Bahadur, 1621-1675

During the reign of Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb, Islam was imposed on the people. Hindu temples were demolished and turned into mosques, higher taxes were charged to non-Muslims and the Emperor persecuted those who would not conform to Islamic law.

Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur Mahraaj Sahib JI spoke out amid this persecution. He refused to convert to Islam and in 1675, he was beheaded in Delhi. The site of his execution was later turned into an important Gurdwara.

 

[rabarbara2008]

Aren´t we losing the original subject here?
Discussions are nice, but what's the use of arguing who suffered more?