Dutch MP posts Islam film on web

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how would it be if muslims held a huge prayer gathering and prayed for guidance for wilders and the other people that insult islam?

maybe it is one of the solutions...

we don`t have to burn flags and to destroy everything around us to demonstrate to them how wrong they are...

all we have to do is to talk with them with wiseness and if they didn`t listen to us ...we will do our best to explain to the others those who do not know Islam very well to correct the wrong conceptes they have got from those who blemish the image of Islam.


I wish people of faith would embrace the humbleness that should come with knowledge of God. God doesn't need us to defend Him, only to worship and acknowledge Him.

that is right our Lord Allah doesn`t need us to defend on him and he doesn`t need our worship either ,am I going to stop praying for him??......

my dear brother aren`t you going to defend on someone you love ?

I love my Lord so,I can`t stand aside while sick people insulting him,his messengers,his books and his religion.

I will do my best to defend on him with the way he had taught us to deal by with the others whether they were Muslims or Non_Muslims..

and I`ve said it befor many Muslims has forgot how to be Muslims ...alas!

but there is so many real Muslims in this world inshaa Allah...

peace
 
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maybe it is one of the solutions...

we don`t have to burn flags and to destroy everything around us to demonstrate to them how wrong they are...

all we have to do is to talk with them with wiseness and if they didn`t listen to us ...we will do our best to explain to the others those who do not know Islam very well to correct the wrong conceptes they have got from those who blemish the image of Islam.




that is right our Lord Allah doesn`t need us to defend on him and he doesn`t need our worship either ,am I going to stop praying for him??......

my dear brother aren`t you going to defend on someone you love ?

I love my Lord so,I can`t stand aside while sick people insulting him,his messengers,his books and his religion.

I will do my best to defend on him with the way he had taught us to deal by with the others whether they were Muslims or Non_Muslims..

and I`ve said it befor many Muslims has forgot how to be Muslims ...alas!

but there is so many real Muslims in this world inshaa Allah...

peace

Defending God against lies and blasphemy is fine, as long as that defense is non-violent. God does not need human beings to threaten or kill other human beings for rejecting Him or insulting Him...although I would suggest this was more about insulting a prophet and not God Himself...but that is a different issue. If one is solid in their faith, the insults of others are meaningless. It is a contradiction of the highest degree to defend accusations of violence by behaving violently.
 
theyve insulted Allah by associating a son with Him, so why wouldnt they insult the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wassalam? Allah yahdihom aw la3anahomollah fi dunya wal aakhirah.
 
theyve insulted Allah by associating a son with Him, so why wouldnt they insult the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wassalam? Allah yahdihom aw la3anahomollah fi dunya wal aakhirah.

Maybe you insult Allah by denying Isa as his son. I'm just saying think before you post brother.
 
maybe it is one of the solutions...

we don`t have to burn flags and to destroy everything around us to demonstrate to them how wrong they are...

all we have to do is to talk with them with wiseness and if they didn`t listen to us ...we will do our best to explain to the others those who do not know Islam very well to correct the wrong conceptes they have got from those who blemish the image of Islam.

what you wrote above makes sense BUT these people are not interested in sense and they are not interested in islam either. their only goal is to provoke muslims in to doing something stupid. they are fear mongerers and want to rally europeans behind the right wing xenophobic parties.
frankly, i think if muslims want to respond, a big prayer gathering would be very dignified, in which you pray that wilders will be guided to islam.
anyway, i like the idea.
 
I guess the reaction isn't as peaceful as we had hoped. If you click on the source link, you will see some of the placards being held up.

How can we blame some of the Non-Muslims for assuming that Islam is a violent religion? Hurling eggs and plastic water bottles? It's ironic that they are defending such a peaceful religion like this. :( May Allah give us all patience.

What can we do to make the situation better?

sadly, it only takes a few and the media will be there. see my suggestion above.
 
Maybe you insult Allah by denying Isa as his son. I'm just saying think before you post brother.


Izyan. A core islamic beleif is that Jesus is a exalted prophet & that Allah has no son or indeed daughters. Theres over 20 references to this in the Koran
 
Maybe you insult Allah by denying Isa as his son. I'm just saying think before you post brother.

Prophet Isa (PBUH) saw himself purely as a man just as did the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) In Islam the Quran has stated frequently that Prophet Isa (PBUH) was just a Prophet of Allah :

"Say ye, "We believe in Allah and the Revelation given to us, and to Ibrahim, Ismail, I`saac, Yakub and the Tribes and that given to Musa and I`sa (Jesus) and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between one and another of them and we submit to Allah." (2:136)

"And Zakariya and Yahya and I`sa (Jesus) and Ilyas : All in the ranks of the Righteous." (6:85)

1. Divinity: Only God is divine in Islam. No one else is divine, including prophets, such as Isa and Muhammad.

2. Trinity: Muslims believe that trinity is NOT compatible with the oneness of God. The idea of three-in-one is not convincing to Muslims.
 
Fearing Suits, Wilders Edits Qur'an Film

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

THE HAGUE — With the threat of lawsuits hanging over his head, far-right lawmaker has decided to edit his controversial anti-Qur'an documentary, while the government continues efforts to contain the fallout of the crisis.
Wilders told the Dutch ANP news agency he will remove a Danish cartoon showing a man said to be Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) with a bomb in his turban.

He plans to substitute the controversial drawing with another caricature of the prophet.

Wilders is not changing the drawing because of its offensive nature but simply because Dutch cartoonist Kurt Westergaard has accused him of using the image without his permission.

"I won't accept my cartoon being taken out of its original context and used in a completely different one," he said last week.

MP Wilder will also remove a photo of a Dutch-Moroccan rapper who was wrongly identified as the killer of Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh in 2004.

He will give credit to a Dutch journalist for the use of sound bites from an interview he had with Van Gogh shortly before his murder.

The 15-minute documentary, posted on a video-sharing website on Thursday, March 27, intersperses images of terror attacks with verses from the Qur'an.

Dutch Muslim leader Mohamed Rabbae is also planning to sue Wilders over inciting hatred against Muslims in the Netherlands, estimated at one million of the 16-million population.

Dutch laws forbid incitement to hatred on the basis of race, religion or ideology, gender and sexual preference.

The maximum sentence for such crimes is two years in prison and a fine.

Scrambled

With condemnation of the documentary pouring in from across the world, the Dutch government pursued painstaking efforts to contain Muslim anger.

"We are aware of the concerns and feelings in the international Muslim community about this film," Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen told the ambassadors of 27 Muslim countries on Monday.

"But injured feelings should never be an excuse for aggression and threats," he stressed, adding that the film does not reflect his government's views on Islam.

"Let us keep a cool head and warm relations."

The government has reportedly distanced itself from Wilders and tried unsuccessfully to convince him not to broadcast the film, fearing it would trigger protests in Netherlands and overseas and strain ties with Muslim countries.

Dozens of Indonesians protested outside the Dutch embassy on Monday, hurling eggs and plastic water bottles into the compound.

Malaysia's Islamic PAS party on Monday urged Muslims worldwide to boycott Dutch products in protest.

Former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad said Saturday that if the world's 1.3 billion Muslims boycotted Dutch products, the country's industries would be forced to shut down.

Dutch businesses have already threatened to sue Wilders if his film led to an economic boycott of their products.

Wrapping up their annual summit Sunday, Arab leaders expressed concern at rising Islamophobia around the world.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon dismissed it as "offensively anti-Islamic" while the European Union rejected its equation between Islam and violence.

This comes as a Dutch politician is planning to broadcast a more provocative cartoon movie about the Prophet.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...58570775&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
 
Defending God against lies and blasphemy is fine, as long as that defense is non-violent. God does not need human beings to threaten or kill other human beings for rejecting Him or insulting Him...although I would suggest this was more about insulting a prophet and not God Himself...but that is a different issue. If one is solid in their faith, the insults of others are meaningless. It is a contradiction of the highest degree to defend accusations of violence by behaving violently.

did you read my post my dear brother ???

I said we don`t have to burn flags and to destroy everything around us to demonstrate to them how wrong they are...

all we have to do is to talk with them with WISENESS .....didn`t I ??

I am not with violence and I will never be ,and people who is insulting prophets they are insulting the one who ordered us to believe in them and to follow them so ,it is the same my brother...

from the begining I was talking about dealing with the others by a peaceful ways and I did not say we must threaten or kill other human beings for rejecting Allah or insulting Him....I`ve never said that befor and I will never ever......

people who did and deal with this situation by behaving violently are stupid and reckless..
and stupid reckless people will not talk to the others with carefulness they will run after their stupid rage blindfold...alas!

anyway the insults of others are meaningless because they are not true and I will say to each one {they are not true }and this my way of defending on my Lord Allah and his prophets (peace and blessing of Allah be upon them all)..

violence is not licit in our religion but many Muslims had forgot the Islamic moralism and the rules of Islam and blemished the religion of Allah by their hands ....alas!

peace
 
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what you wrote above makes sense BUT these people are not interested in sense and they are not interested in islam either. their only goal is to provoke muslims in to doing something stupid. they are fear mongerers and want to rally europeans behind the right wing xenophobic parties.
frankly, i think if muslims want to respond, a big prayer gathering would be very dignified, in which you pray that wilders will be guided to islam.
anyway, i like the idea.

we will try our best to solve this issue by Allah guidanc inshaa Allah ...
may Allah guide us all to the right path..

Amen

peace
 
Malaysian supermarket chain marks Dutch products red to protest anti-Islam film

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia:
A supermarket chain in mainly Muslim Malaysia has marked Dutch products with red labels, giving customers the option of boycotting them to protest an anti-Islam movie by a Dutch lawmaker.

"I think as a Muslim, we have to take a stand," Ameer Ali Mydin, managing director of Mydin Mohamed Holdings Bhd., told The Associated Press on Tuesday, adding that 40 of his stores would take part in the nationwide campaign.

Supermarkets would put up notices and posters to explain the protest and allow customers to choose whether to buy Dutch products, Ameer said. Mydin buys 60 million ringgit (US$18.8 million; €11.9 million) worth of Dutch goods a year, from dairy and cosmetics to electronics.

Several other Malaysian groups have also called on Muslims to boycott Dutch goods, saying the 15-minute movie by lawmaker Geert Wilders creates unnecessary tensions and misleads viewers to link Islam and violence.

About 20 people protested outside the Dutch ambassador's residence Tuesday, carrying banners that read "Islam is peace" and shouting "Allah is great."

"We want to tell the world, 'Don't simply criticize Islam.' They should respect Muslim people," said Marzuki Yahya, an official from the ruling United Malay National Organization, which organized the rally.

"The government of Holland should apologize and take full responsibility," he said.

An official of the Dutch Embassy declined to comment, saying the ambassador would speak about the issue later. The official refused to be identified because she was not authorized to speak to the media.

Malaysia's Foreign Ministry has also strongly condemned the film as disrespectful and insensitive. Some 60 percent of the country's 27 million people are Muslims.

The film, titled "Fitna," or "ordeal" in Arabic, was posted online Thursday. Though it was removed from the site, LiveLeak.com, on Friday, it has since been available on other file-sharing sites.

Meanwhile, Malaysia's religious council ruled late Monday that the movie was an insult to Islam, and urged Muslims to protest by boycotting Dutch products.

Source

 
What did they expect, anomination for an Oscar?

Leave Religion alone. Debate yes, but not insult and hurt the sentiments of the followers of ANY Religion. That includes the beliefs of Agnostics, Athiests etc.

Rep for this comment. I wish, this comment would reach everybody

Peace

[edit]oooupps, cannot rep yet, I must spread first[/edit]
 
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The film, if you can hardly call it one, was merely a montage of low-grade internet videos of Islamic extremists preaching death and destruction upon the Western world (and especially Jews), stitched together with inserts of Koranic verses which seemed to (primarily) advocate violence against non-believers.

What conspired here probably relates to the nature of the Koranic text itself, which even without translation, is open to a staggering amount of self-interpretation. After watching it a few times, my conclusion is that this film is nothing more than a few minutes of nonsensical hate propaganda and should have never been made. Anybody with half a brain knows mainstream Islam does neither advocate nor permit the travesties implored within the film’s duration.

Sadly, this is not the first time the vagueness (or ambiguity) of both the original text and its dependent translations has been misused in this manner. Islamic fundamentalists do this all the time to inflict their own ideologies with regard to Islam.
 
Greetings,

For the most part, I agree with the post above.

However, I would say that the verses of the Qur'an in themselves are neither vague nor ambiguous. To capture their true meaning, all that is required is an examination of their correct context, be that historical, linguistic or otherwise.

Sometimes, all you need to do is read the preceding and succeeding verse to place it in context. It really isn't that difficult, after all. :)
 
Izyan. A core islamic beleif is that Jesus is a exalted prophet & that Allah has no son or indeed daughters. Theres over 20 references to this in the Koran

Obviously I know this since I would be considered an Apostate because I am now a christian. Allah and Jehovah are one in the same. I just used Allah because the brother can relate to this on a more personal level.
 
Maybe you insult Allah by denying Isa as his son. I'm just saying think before you post brother.

first im not ur brother. second, go catch up on what we believe who 'Isa alayhi salaam is. and dont give me think before u post, i thought and i posted.
 
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