Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

[beespreeteam]

It is because Islam is acknoweldged as being a cult rather than being an actual religion in some parts of the world and here is why.

1) Strict loyalty
2) Never able to leave, unless wanting to die by someone else's hands or facing up to an infinity of years in prison
3) Conversion of people often against their will in many parts of the world
4) Promotes oppression and immediant change in governments, often for the worst for a particular group of people
5) Promotes theocracy
6) Promotes Pan-Arabism, which is a fascist practice
7) Disacknowledges Scientific discoveries such as evolution

But do no fear, most of Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism acts much like a similar cult.

And here is something to rant about.

If they are willing to have the bible in the Netherlands then they should be willing to have the koran in the netherlands.

Perhaps the true reason is that the koran isn't translated into dutch and therefore is seen as an outside influence to the cultural integrity of the Dutch Lands.

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[Cognescenti]

Yes, agreed. But keep in mind that 'liberals' in continental Europe are generally right-wing and in favour of the free market and free speech. Unlike the warped US definition of 'liberals', which means anyone left of centre and even includes Maoists, lol. Wilders is definitely right-wing, always has been.

Yes. Forgot about that. By US terminolgy he is more a Libertarian with a xenophobic streak, then?

Btw, I suppose this has much to do with his hate as well:


He had to live in an army barracks for about half a year and is under 24/7 protection. That no doubt only fuels his beliefs that Islam is a threat to the country.

Ouch! That would make me very grumpy. Maybe he is right.

 

[Darkseid]

noob alert'd

You are beyond help.

I said that if the Koran should be banned then so should the bible. Why is that so offensive to you? Are you a christian in muslim skin?

Yes. Forgot about that. By US terminolgy he is more a Libertarian with a xenophobic streak, then?

Conservatives is what you mean by that. Most liberals and liberatarians are very well aware of that term use.

Ouch! That would make me very grumpy. Maybe he is right.

Who are you talking about?

Do not cast pearls amongst filthy swines, as they have no regard for beauty.

Hence, I never throw verses such as the one above towards the likes of you. It was directed at the People of Understanding.

You know it is quite funny when you just don't get it. Well if god has made a place lower than Jahannam, you'll be the first to know.

FYI, I don't know what Jahannam is as I don't know anything outside of the English language since I am a lazy fat american pig. I simply spoke from what Allah has said for me to say.

 

[Intisar]

I guess he stands alone with his statements. Good on the gov't tho.

 

[Darkseid]

I guess he stands alone with his statements. Good on the gov't tho.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Intisar]

Who are you talking about?

The Dutch MP who made the outrageous statements.

 

[Darkseid]

The Dutch MP who made the outrageous statements.

Yeah I think if they should ban Islam, they should also ban christianity as it would be unfair to muslims to be the only ones affected by this MP's decision.

But of course we all know they aren't going to ban christianity (since it would lead to an immediant coup) and as a result Islam should also remain free from persecution.

 

[Intisar]

Yeah I think if they should ban Islam, they should also ban christianity as it would be unfair to muslims to be the only ones affected by this MP's decision.

But of course we all know they aren't going to ban christianity (since it would lead to an immediant coup) and as a result Islam should also remain free from persecution.

I think there should be freedom of religion allowed, period. His statements were ludicrous and as a Muslim I am offended. There should be consequences implemented for the ridiculous statements he's been saying. At the same time though, I am happy that no one agrees with his bigoted opinions.

 

[Bittersteel]

5) Promotes theocracy

in Muslim countries only.
I was under the impression we weren't allowed to force our law in Non-Muslim countries.right or wrong?

 

[rania2820]

as a muslimah i would never go to holland there is way to much anti-islam going on there

 

[Amadeus85]

I think there should be freedom of religion allowed, period.

Yes for sure, in both european and muslim countries as well.

 

[KAding]

Yeah I think if they should ban Islam, they should also ban christianity as it would be unfair to muslims to be the only ones affected by this MP's decision.

But of course we all know they aren't going to ban christianity (since it would lead to an immediant coup) and as a result Islam should also remain free from persecution.

There was some interesting polling done on what the voters of this MP thought about his remarks. So this is just about the people that voted for him:

65% agreed with him.
26% thought if you banned the Qu'ran you should also ban the Bible

Overall in the Netherlands these are the figures on religion:
21% Protestant
29% Roman Catholic
9% Other
42% No Religion

Overall the Dutch are not very religious. Almost half is essentially agnostic or atheist. And those that do say they are religious are not very strict followers. About 19% of the total population goes to a church (or mosque/temple) at least once a month. If you just look at the Muslims, you see that 30-35% visit the Mosque on a weekly basis.

 

[KAding]

Yes. Forgot about that. By US terminolgy he is more a Libertarian with a xenophobic streak, then?.

Yes, thats probably the best characterization. It appears he wants to destroy Western freedoms, like freedom of religion, to save them, lol :muddlehea.

 

[bint_khalid]

holland is one of the most racist countries in the world.
subhanallah they are just full of hate for non whites and especially muslims.they hate us alot. dont go there

 

[KAding]

holland is one of the most racist countries in the world.
subhanallah they are just full of hate for non whites and especially muslims.they hate us alot. dont go there

And this based on what exactly?

Stop spewing these ridiculous generalizations.

There are more Muslim school in the Netherlands then in the rest of the EU combined. Muslims don't live in Ghettos. Muslims are allowed to wear headscarf's anywhere. There are Muslims in the government and in Parliament. How exactly are Muslims being stopped from living Islamic lives? Sure, the debate is fierce. If Muslims equate that with oppression and hate, well, then I would kindly ask them to grow a spine or leave.

But do understand. We can and never will accept that Muslims cannot be apostates. Any multi-religious society has to grant people the freedom to change their religion, they can become Muslims, but they can also leave Islam. Islamic rules on apostasy will never be enforced in Holland. This is simply non-negotiable. Like this there are a few other things Muslims will simply have to accept if they desire to live in the our country. Mohammad, Jesus, Buddha, Allah, FSM and God are not protected by law. People are free to ridicule them.

 

[Muezzin]

Were you talking about me?

No. The 'whacked out views' guy was the MP. My apologies if you misunderstood.

Honestly, people need to stop trying to attack me just because I was pointing out why other people see Islam as a cult.

I wasn't. Please calm down.

Grow up people there is no need for any bigotry.

I agree. Which is why I do not indulge in bigotry. Down with bigots! Up with chocolates!

 

[bint_khalid]

And this based on what exactly?

Stop spewing these ridiculous generalizations.

There are more Muslim school in the Netherlands then in the rest of the EU combined. Muslims don't live in Ghettos. Muslims are allowed to wear headscarf's anywhere. There are Muslims in the government and in Parliament. How exactly are Muslims being stopped from living Islamic lives? Sure, the debate is fierce. If Muslims equate that with oppression and hate, well, then I would kindly ask them to grow a spine or leave.

until you become muslim, start practising islam and visit holland till then you will never know.
where do you get your facts from, holland does not have the most muslim schools. most have been burnt down by the right wing racists.
You cant walk down a street in holland with a hijab or beard and now get spat on or sworn at.
Its easy for you to say that because your not muslim so you have no idea of how it is.

 

[Suomipoika]

holland is one of the most racist countries in the world.
subhanallah they are just full of hate for non whites and especially muslims.they hate us alot. dont go there

I always appreciate irony when complaining about racism people end up making racist generalisations about hole countries and people living in them.

 

[KAding]

until you become muslim, start practising islam and visit holland till then you will never know.
where do you get your facts from, holland does not have the most muslim schools. most have been burnt down by the right wing racists.
You cant walk down a street in holland with a hijab or beard and now get spat on or sworn at.
Its easy for you to say that because your not muslim so you have no idea of how it is.

Do you live in the Netherlands? Or have you lived here?

I know plenty of Muslims, and they do not get spat or sworn on. One Muslim school was burned down (in the village Uden) by a couple of teenagers the day Theo van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim radical. The perpetrators have been caught and punished and the school rebuild. You are mad if you think "most have been burnt down".

The Netherlands is one of the only countries in the West in which there are publicly financed Islamic schools. The government is paying for these schools. There are 48 of these.

 

[believer]

Do you live in the Netherlands? Or have you lived here?

I know plenty of Muslims, and they do not get spat or sworn on. One Muslim school was burned down (in the village Uden) by a couple of teenagers the day Theo van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim radical. The perpetrators have been caught and punished and the school rebuild. You are mad if you think "most have been burnt down".

The Netherlands is one of the only countries in the West in which there are publicly financed Islamic schools. The government is paying for these schools. There are 48 of these.

Goode Morgen Meneer!

Hooo es met jou? Ik hoop alleemaal Prima (excuse the spelling... its been a ling time since I had a conversation in Dutch)

I was once no twice in the Netherlands... lived there for a total of 3 months combining those two visits. To be honest... I love your country - really... It is Echt Mooi! Heelemaal.

It is a Social Paradise... I have met Muslims there who came from Turkey and Morocco... but I never had the chance to really socialize or interact with them during those days.

Before I embraced Islam... The Netherlands was one of the places I would really like to live for the last days of my life... if it ever was possible.

Of course there are some snobs but - there are always snobs everywhere in the world... (snobs - I mean discriminating people).

My general impression of the Dutch people are Emphatic and tolerant for anything... And also very intellectual.

The outside seems Merry and Happy due to the Dutch Carnival Music and the party atmosphere created by Dutch Cheese, Dutch Architecture, Dutch Jokes, Heineken, Amstel, Brand and all the elements that really make Holland (i.e. Netherlands) a Sanctuary for multinationals.

Where in the world could you find Political Assylum Seekers enjoying the time of their life in tension-free and peace and tranquil surroundings instead of behind bars back in their own coutries.... only in the Netherlands.

Where can you find the biggest peace movement in the world, where more than 60 countries are represented by their soldiers, all having fun, drinking beers and exchanging jokes and stories and fellowship... only in Nijmegen - thats in Netherlands.


back to topic:

I believe, that the Dutch Minister is simply making a political move... nothing really serious... and not to be taken personally by Muslims.

We have a saying in my country... "the first one to get mad is the looser."

Moreover... Allah protects the Qur'an... not the physical Qur'an... but the one He has planted in the hearts of men.

The best place to keep the Qur'an is inside our bodies... our hearts.

Although - even the physical Qur'an is protected - but if force majeur happens that the physical books are destroyed. It doesn't matter, and real Muslims do not have to be alarmed. If the men influenced by Satan makes a plan? - God (Allah) will always have the better and best plan.

Real Believers will never panic. We will never grieve or be saddened about anything whatsoever... this is just a fleeting experience.... the life hereafter is much much much... better than anything we can imagine in this present life. Moreover, fear causes stress - causes illnesses - causes shorter life.

Why shorten your life unnecessarily with anything whatsoever that are not really essential for your personal salvation?


P.S.

I have really pleasant memories of Netherlands... really a very beautiful and lovely country... easy to fall in love there... nothing bad can come from this country. Inshaallah!