Early Christianity + Paganism = Modern Christianity

[therebbe]

If a person worshipped the sun for hundreds of generations and then saw the light of christianity and converted, then why would he want to keep his practices/rituals when it was clear that is wasnt part of the christian faith?

Wait. I do not quite follow. You are saying that if someone prayed to an idol at sunrise everyday, and then decided to convert to Christianity and pray at sunrise, his prayers somehow do not count?

Is it not Islam that stresses the idea that G-d will forgive you no matter what you have done if you convert to Islam? Therefore, if the Christian prays at sunrise, why should it matter what he use to do at sunrise? Is it not forgotten by both Islamic and Christians.

Either way, I think the whole "G-d will forgive you even if you murder and rape, if you convert", was part of the whole get people to convert thing and not true at all.

make ppl think they are following jesus when they are actually doing paganistic things

How do you know Islam did not have Pagan roots that the Pagans "tricked" you all to do?

(similar to the greeks saying that Zeus had sons etc)?

In all seriousness, did Zeus have a "holy spirit"?

No matter which ever way u look at it paganism would win if ppl followed both of them, since this would have been against the teaching of Jesus.

You think the pagans would look at thousands upon millions of people following a bible that condemned them a victory? Even if they were being decieved?

 

[sameer]

Wait. I do not quite follow. You are saying that if someone prayed to an idol at sunrise everyday, and then decided to convert to Christianity and pray at sunrise, his prayers somehow do not count?

If i used to worship the sun on a particular day, cant i claim to convert and then add that into my new religion so i can keep worshiping the sun on that day without anyone else noticing? Isnt it possible for them to try and ge the both of two worlds?

Is it not Islam that stresses the idea that G-d will forgive you no matter what you have done if you convert to Islam? Therefore, if the Christian prays at sunrise, why should it matter what he use to do at sunrise? Is it not forgotten by both Islamic and Christians.

Either way, I think the whole "G-d will forgive you even if you murder and rape, if you convert", was part of the whole get people to convert thing and not true at all.
If u convert to Judaism, are u not forgiven? what the point of converting then?

How do you know Islam did not have Pagan roots that the Pagans "tricked" you all to do?

Point me to where Islam has adopted pagan rituals?

In all seriousness, did Zeus have a "holy spirit"?

I dont know, but they said he had a son/sons right? sounds familiar


You think the pagans would look at thousands upon millions of people following a bible that condemned them a victory? Even if they were being decieved?

Would they care that ppl called them names as long as they get to do their practices/ rituals?
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i wish i could add more but i have to go. Later insha ALlah

 

[ManchesterFolk]

If u convert to Judaism, are u not forgiven? what the point of converting then?

Actually Judaism is odd. They discourage conversion, and make it very hard and make it take like a year for you to.

 

[QuranStudy]

Actually Judaism is odd. They discourage conversion, and make it very hard and make it take like a year for you to.

Of course it's hard. Jews are the chosen people.

 

[Joe98]

That is why the Trinity confuses me since Christians claim to believe in one God as well.

Look at a tree, It has a trunk, some branches and some leaves.

But it just one tree.


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[QuranStudy]

Look at a tree, It has a trunk, some branches and some leaves.

But it just one tree.

But they are of the same composition. On the contrary, God = Spirit ; Jesus = Flesh and bones

 

[duskiness]

If i used to worship the sun on a particular day, cant i claim to convert and then add that into my new religion so i can keep worshiping the sun on that day without anyone else noticing? Isnt it possible for them to try and ge the both of two worlds?

Rather not, until Constantine Christian were prosecuted (not all time, but...) and killed for what they believed. Even when they were worshiping on sunday they knew they worship One God and sticked to that.
In New Testament you won't find much about rites.

It's not the best example but...
Picture in attachments shows Mary. In japanese style. Massage is christian but the form is far from what she looked like and the traditional pictures.
I treat sunday, christmas in the same way i treat this picture
n.

 

[Keltoi]

The same thing occurred as Christianity spread..well, was forced on the people's of South America and Mexico. Many of the old Aztec and Maya days of observance sort of blended into a celebration of Christian faith. These people are Catholic to the core, but their customs and expression of faith are different than Catholics in Italy, although many customs are the same.

 

[glo]

Rather not, until Constantine Christian were prosecuted (not all time, but...) and killed for what they believed. Even when they were worshiping on sunday they knew they worship One God and sticked to that.
In New Testament you won't find much about rites.

It's not the best example but...
Picture in attachments shows Mary. In japanese style. Massage is christian but the form is far from what she looked like and the traditional pictures.
I treat sunday, christmas in the same way i treat this picture
n.

Nice picture, duskiness
(But don't the Japanese know that Mary and Jesus had caucasian features?? :rollseyes :giggling: ;D )

God bless.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Of course it's hard. Jews are the chosen people.

Correction. Jews were the chosen people.

 

[gamsta3]

Yeah. Ive heard something about how there was another religion called mythra that was around in the roman empire at the time of the arrival of christianity. Apparently, it was the same thing more or less. It had a trinity, its symbol was the cross, and this mythra god was also born on the 25th of december and he was a sun god.

 

[QuranStudy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythras

 

[Keltoi]

You can't talk about Mithra worship without realizing the context. The Mithra cult was one of the last "mystery" cults in the Roman Empire, and was popular among Roman soldiers. The Mithra belief system was similar to many religions of the time, including Judaism. However, the cult was masculine in nature, and women were not allowed to worship. I've read quite a bit from historians on the subject, and about the only thing they can agree on is that "perhaps" Christianity chose the date December 25th to make Christianity more attractive to those it wished to convert. Christianity in no way borrowed religious beliefs from Mithra. If you think about it, the whole concept is absurd, since Mithra was popular among Roman soldiers, whose job it was to persecute Christians.

 

[sameer]

were women allowed to worship in early christianity? Ive heard from a former preacher that a meeting was held around the 3rd century to decide wheather women even had a soul ? Im not sure of it was the counsel of Nicea he was speaking about?

Anyhow, what did Jesus teach reagarding pagans and polotheists and their rituals?

 

[QuranStudy]

According to the Bible, women arent allowed to even speak in churches.

 

[duskiness]

were women allowed to worship in early christianity?

yes, they were. From Bible we know taht some were deaconesses

Ive heard from a former preacher that a meeting was held around the 3rd century to decide wheather women even had a soul ?

from Bible: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."(Gal 3:28) I think that it was rather obvious that women have soul...i have never hear it was a subject of any theological controversy or any council

Im not sure of it was the counsel of Nicea he was speaking about?

no.

The agenda of the synod ( in Nicea) were:
The Arian question;
The celebration of Passover;
The Meletian schism;
The Father and Son one in purpose or in person;
The baptism of heretics;
The status of the lapsed in the persecution under Licinius.
from wiki

Anyhow, what did Jesus teach reagarding pagans and polotheists and their rituals?

rather nothing...the only thing i recall is: "And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words." (Mat 6:7)
n.

 

[QuranStudy]

The agenda of the synod ( in Nicea) were:
The Arian question;
The celebration of Passover;
The Meletian schism;
The Father and Son one in purpose or in person;
The baptism of heretics;
The status of the lapsed in the persecution under Licinius.

Their main job was to reject Gospels they found heretical.

 

[sameer]

yes, they were. From Bible we know taht some were deaconesses
from Bible: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."(Gal 3:28) I think that it was rather obvious that women have soul...i have never hear it was a subject of any theological controversy or any council
no.

The agenda of the synod ( in Nicea) were:
The Arian question;
The celebration of Passover;
The Meletian schism;
The Father and Son one in purpose or in person;
The baptism of heretics;
The status of the lapsed in the persecution under Licinius.
from wiki

rather nothing...the only thing i recall is: "And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words." (Mat 6:7)
n.

so he did not denounce paganism and their practices? except for what u said.?
So then by ure words...paganism is fine to practice?

 

[ManchesterFolk]

so he did not denounce paganism and their practices? except for what u said.?
So then by ure words...paganism is fine to practice?

I didn't realise you had to denounce a religion for yours to be valid. I guess that is what Islam is all about though so you expect it, correct? I mean, Islam has to prove and denounce other religions to try and "prove" theres is right.

I personally think your all lost, and its all BS. But that is just me.

 

[Jayda]

so he did not denounce paganism and their practices? except for what u said.?
So then by ure words...paganism is fine to practice?

1 corinthians 8:4. But as for the meats that are sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.