Eating pork

[Thinker]

Hi,

I note that Muslims and Jews don’t eat pork. As there is no rational reason not to eat pork I presume that there is something written in the scriptures of both religions forbidding the eating of pork? I suspect that a couple of thousand years back pigs were full of all manner of worms etc., and there was a good reason to steer people away from pork and that’s how it might of got itself into Jewish scriptures but how did it get into Islamic teachings?

 

[aamirsaab]

Several reasons:
1) According to cannibals, pork tastes like human beings (that's what I was told anyway!)
2) Impracticalities in killing the animal; for an animal to be fit for consumption, all the blood has to be drained - Islamically speaking that is. With a pig, you cannot drain all the blood since it has no neck. The only way to drain all of the animal's blood is to desecrate the corpse - something that is not allowed in Islam. The whole purpose of halal meat is to inflict the least amount of pain (so it doesn't suffer) AND that it's blood is all fully drained. Cutting the neck is the only way to do it.

Yeah it's a nasty job but if you're THAT self-righteous about the whole thing then the mere concept of killing animals for food would put you into a coma!

 

[crayon]

Several reasons:
1) According to cannibals, pork tastes like human beings (that's what I was told anyway!)

How interesting... do you personally know any cannibals?
(not doubting what you're saying btw, just curious)

 

[islamirama]

Hi,

I note that Muslims and Jews don’t eat pork. As there is no rational reason not to eat pork I presume that there is something written in the scriptures of both religions forbidding the eating of pork? I suspect that a couple of thousand years back pigs were full of all manner of worms etc., and there was a good reason to steer people away from pork and that’s how it might of got itself into Jewish scriptures but how did it get into Islamic teachings?

I think you should go do some research on pork and medical pro/cons. Pig is basically mother nature's garbage disposal. It'll eat anything, including feces, blood, etc. It has no skin pours so nothing is excreted out making it a very poisonous and unhealthy animal. It is full of tape worms. And no matter how many showers you take, you still smell awful. There's plenty of info out there, so why not go do some research and discover for yourself the benefit of not eating pork, as for us. We already have been told by the most knowledgeable, the Creator Himself not to eat it.

 

[Tony]

as for us. We already have been told by the most knowledgeable, the Creator Himself not to eat it.[/QUOTE]

Subhan Allah:rock:

 

[aamirsaab]

How interesting... do you personally know any cannibals?
(not doubting what you're saying btw, just curious)

I was told this information by someone. Whether or not it is true, I don't know for sure. I just gave my 2 cents on the matter

 

[K.Venugopal]

Cannibalism - uncivilized. Non Vegetarian - semi-civilized. Vegetarian - fully civilized. Fruits and nuts – enlightened!

 

[Muslim Knight]

Cannibalism - uncivilized. Non Vegetarian - semi-civilized. Vegetarian - fully civilized. Fruits and nuts – enlightened!

Under what authority do you say this? Even the West recognize Islamic civilization.

Are you likening us Muslims to prehistoric cave tribesmen, because that's easily taken offense into.

 

[crayon]

Cannibalism - uncivilized. Non Vegetarian - semi-civilized. Vegetarian - fully civilized. Fruits and nuts – enlightened!

Nothing- Tombstone... lol.

 

[Thinker]

Wow – some harsh words said about pigs!

I’m sure that pigs would prefer to eat ‘Michelin’ quality food but what can they do when their fed crap. OK, so they like to role in mud but so do elephants, buffalos and lots of other animals. And yes they are susceptible to worms and the like but then cows get mad cow disease and chickens get that deadly mutant flu.

I am not an advocate for eating more pork but recently returned from a Muslim country I was surprised at just how many ways pork was in my diet. I was suddenly deprived of bacon, pork sausages and ham sandwiches not to mention pork chops etc., and it highlighted just how versatile pork is.

All that aside, what I was trying to get to was the origins of the ban on eating pork. Clearly it pre-dates Islam and there seems to be a common root in that Jews apply the same ban and of course Jews and the original Muslims came from the same roots. I wondered if it was something from a cultural past that had found its way into religious doctrine?

 

[K.Venugopal]

Under what authority do you say this? Even the West recognize Islamic civilization.

Are you likening us Muslims to prehistoric cave tribesmen, because that's easily taken offense into.

80% of Hindus are non-vegetarian. And I am sure there must be Muslims who are fully vegetarian. Particularly as Islam has not prohibited Muslims from becoming vegetarians or even "fruitarians". My gradation from Cannibalism to Fruitarianism on the scale of civilization is my own (why do I need any authority to say anything I want to say, more so when I feel there is logic in what I say?) but I am sure many Hindus and others would concur.

Incidentally, "prehistoric cave tribesmen" are not contemptible folks. They are our forefathers.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Under what authority do you say this? Even the West recognize Islamic civilization.

Are you likening us Muslims to prehistoric cave tribesmen, because that's easily taken offense into.

What does this have to do with Venugopa's post?

 

[Afraa]

From my knowledge, the reason why we Muslims don't eat pork is because it's a filthy animal. It eats anything and everything. When it is cooked, not all the germs die so thats why it's forbidden. Maybe this could be of help to you because after i finished watching it, i said Alhamdulilah i don't eat pork.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/myfox/pa...ale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
enjoy

 

[islamirama]

Cannibalism - uncivilized. Non Vegetarian - semi-civilized. Vegetarian - fully civilized. Fruits and nuts – enlightened!

Vegetarians = domestic, uncivilized, simple minded dumb animals worth eating.

I suggest you take your judgment of others else where hindu.

Wow – some harsh words said about pigs!

I’m sure that pigs would prefer to eat ‘Michelin’ quality food but what can they do when their fed crap. OK, so they like to role in mud but so do elephants, buffalos and lots of other animals. And yes they are susceptible to worms and the like but then cows get mad cow disease and chickens get that deadly mutant flu.

I am not an advocate for eating more pork but recently returned from a Muslim country I was surprised at just how many ways pork was in my diet. I was suddenly deprived of bacon, pork sausages and ham sandwiches not to mention pork chops etc., and it highlighted just how versatile pork is.

All that aside, what I was trying to get to was the origins of the ban on eating pork. Clearly it pre-dates Islam and there seems to be a common root in that Jews apply the same ban and of course Jews and the original Muslims came from the same roots. I wondered if it was something from a cultural past that had found its way into religious doctrine?

Nothing against the pigs, they are animals and Islam demands all animals be treated with kindness and humanely.

Don't go comparing pigs to elephants and buffalos and what not, like i said before. Do some research on pigs and medical pro/cons of eating pork.

Cows got med cow disease only the west, and that is because the westerners feed the cows whatever junk they have left over from slaughter of there animals. Animals get fed pure mother nature food in the east and in the west they get cannibal food from who knows how many animals in addition to chemicals, hormones and genetically engineered crap.

If you were trying to get the origins of ban on eatin pork, an answer has already been given to you. A little less talking and more reading would do good for you. Not eating pork does predate islam because it was forbidden to the christians, the jews, and the people of previous Prophets. Why? because the root behind all of them is the same God, and what the Creator has commanded, we obey. It's simple as that. There is no cultural stuff that was introduced into the religion doctrine.

 

[Chuck]

Hi,

I note that Muslims and Jews don’t eat pork. As there is no rational reason not to eat pork I presume that there is something written in the scriptures of both religions forbidding the eating of pork? I suspect that a couple of thousand years back pigs were full of all manner of worms etc., and there was a good reason to steer people away from pork and that’s how it might of got itself into Jewish scriptures but how did it get into Islamic teachings?

I'll make this short, in Islam carnivore and omnivore are prohibited.

As far as eating pork is concerned, I would not eat pork even if it was not prohibited. Reason's are as follows:
1. It has cell receptors for both birds and humans, so it can easily pass virus from wild that can harm humans (for ref. read: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-20296848_ITM).

2. The pork tapeworm is one of the most common disease-causing brain parasites. This parasite infects over 50 million people worldwide, and is the leading cause of brain seizures. (ref: http://eands.caltech.edu/articles/LXVI4/brainworms.html )

3. Here is a scientific study that finds morality correlations between fat, beef, and pork in several countries and mortality rates.

An investigation of the relationship between per-caput consumption of total fat, beef, and pork in several countries and mortality rates for cirrhosis showed a correlation between alcohol consumption and cirrhosis mortality of 0.64 (p less than 0.01), and a correlation between pork consumption and cirrhosis mortality of 0.40 (p less than 0.05). The correlation between cirrhosis mortality and the product of both alcohol and pork consumption was highly significant (r = 0.98, p less than 0.001). In countries with low alcohol consumption, no correlation was obtained between alcohol consumption and cirrhosis. However, a significant correlation was obtained between cirrhosis and pork. A similar relationship was seen in the ten Canadian provinces, where there was no correlation between cirrhosis mortality and alcohol consumption, but a significant correlation was obtained with pork.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2858627&dopt=AbstractPlus

From muslims maybe it sound harsh to you, but here comments are coming from non-muslims:

Pigs are generally possessed of a parasite called Trichinosis that will kill you. Beef is not terribly healthy, but it tends not to have deadly parasites.

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Unfortunately raw pork contains a TON of parasites. If you don't cook it thoroughly, you'll ingest a parasite and get really really sick. Pigs are very unclean animals. They wallow in mud, dirt and their own crap. Cows however do not, and they do not have the parasites that pigs do. So make sure to cook your food all the way through.

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Pork can carry trichinosis, which is a parasite--as in, a roundworm. Cooking the pork thoroughly kills off any of the worms in any stage of development. These roundworms penetrate all layers of the muscle, so that's why you have to cook pork all the way through. Cooking just the surface won't kill the worms inside the muscle. Beef doesn't carry this parasite, so it's generally safer to eat it uncooked. However, both meats can carry harmful bacteria--that's why it's not a good idea to eat raw *ground* beef, unless you have just ground it fresh yourself. Cooking a steak, for example, just on the outside, with the inside remaining (for all intents and purposes) raw is fine, since that part hasn't been exposed to air and therefore doesn't have the harmful bacteria.

And yes they are susceptible to worms and the like but then cows get mad cow disease and chickens get that deadly mutant flu.

mad cow disease is detectable easily and nobody eats it, so far there have been around 55 reported cases of a human getting infected. On the other hand, pork infects 50 million people each year with brain infecting parasite as it is far difficult to detect. It is comparing oranges with apples. Same goes with poultry, bird flu is easily detectable.

Another thing regarding poultry vs pork:

New studies on food safety have found pork may contain even more dangerous germs than poultry.

.... Scientists say patients who have antibiotic-resistant enterococcal infections have a death rate of 37 per cent.

.... Dutch researchers found the Enterococci bacteria in pigs cause more trouble for humans than the same type of bacteria found in poultry.

.... Resistant strains can be passed on to humans when they consume the meat of the animal. Researchers found these bacteria in pork seemed to survive and thrive longer in humans than those found in poultry.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/12/28/pork_011228.html

 

[Hamayun]

Erm... regardless of the logic the fact remains that Pigs are disgusting and I wouldn't eat one even if it was allowed. Same reason I don't eat frogs.

 

[Wilma_Hum]

Erm... regardless of the logic the fact remains that Pigs are disgusting and I wouldn't eat one even if it was allowed. Same reason I don't eat frogs.

If you have never eaten frog legs, you have missed a treat.

 

[Leyla73]

From my knowledge, the reason why we Muslims don't eat pork is because it's a filthy animal. It eats anything and everything. When it is cooked, not all the germs die so thats why it's forbidden. Maybe this could be of help to you because after i finished watching it, i said Alhamdulilah i don't eat pork.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/myfox/pa...ale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
enjoy

Wow... I've never hear of that disease... A worm in your brain! How grose! And all that just because you ate a pig...
Thanks for the video though!
And also, to answer to the question why Muslims and Jews aren't allowed to eat pork, well it's because all religions were the same in the beginning, just some religions changed what was written, so Allah send new and new ones... And Islam is the last one
Hope you understood what i meant :bump1:

 

[Thinker]

If you were trying to get the origins of ban on eatin pork, an answer has already been given to you. A little less talking and more reading would do good for you. Not eating pork does predate islam because it was forbidden to the christians, the jews, and the people of previous Prophets. Why? because the root behind all of them is the same God, and what the Creator has commanded, we obey. It's simple as that. There is no cultural stuff that was introduced into the religion doctrine.

Wow - once again I am amazed at how the simplest of questions can cause irritation !!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I'm not a fan of pork, I don't like bacon, pork chops, or pork stakes, however certain pork products, such as prosciutto, are the tastiest treats I ever encountered as a member of the meat eating public.

as for pork being dangerous, I've never heard of anyone getting a tape worm or any other parasite, nor any other disease for that matter, from properly cooked pork they bought in a store.