English Defence League London Protest

[Blackpool]

the only protest where i saw some black ppl with the EDL was at the first one, after that they never showed up again because they found out who the EDL really are, heck they were probaly even lied to in joining that protest.

compare that to the anti-EDL protests where you have whites, blacks, and asians. heck even at the last pro palestine march you had jewish rabbis!!!!!!!!

If you read the Daily Star you would have noticed that it also mentioned that one black guy featured in this video that is due to be released on Friday...

From reports, it was the Anti-EDL protesters that started the violence!

lol the EDL are the best thing to have happend to such extremists, now they will say look, these ppl are protesting against you the Muslims everywhere, and have made protests outside your mosques!

if you think the EDL are doing a good thing in combatting extremism im afraid your quite wrong, the only thing that will come out of this is more violence, and more millitancy.

The EDL never protested outside any mosques. I think the EDL group is a fantastic idea if what they state is true. I feel muslims need to get up off their backsides and use them to send out their message to extremists.

 

[The_Prince]

the EDL protested outside the harrow mosque, they keep saying it wasnt them, yet one of the skin heads shouted EDL EDL EDL.

and they will be protesting outside a future mosque in wales, . so indeedio they have and are going to.

yes, Muslims need to get off their backsides and confront the EDL at all places, just like they did in Harrow.

 

[The_Prince]

Muslims need to start making Muslim Defence Leagues, not just in England, but all over Europe, and i think it will happen soon, many are talking of making such groups, so the EDL isnt all bad, its waking Muslims up.

 

[arturo]

You have to understand that EDL are under attack from many different groups and they come onto the forum with their messages of hate and we try at first to reason with them and then we delete them so that their posts come under the heading of deleted user.
Some one was on today, re the Harrow mosque and you can see that I and others said clearly we did not want to be involved, we are not stupid you know, the media would have a field day, far right target mosques, muslims riot to defend it, just what purpose, other causing grief would that serve.
In my view, you muslims are fully entitled to your holy places and that is enshrine in the law of the land and I support the law of the land and no one has the right to disrespect that, end of.

The BNP are, without doubt, racist, so they use Islam as an excuse to propagate racism against asians.

The EDL, on the other hand are not racist, we are a single purpose group who want to get rid of extremists who want to kill, we for obvious reasons don't like that that much and we also realise that your average muslim doesn't either. why else would we be saying to you join us.

The racist BNP doesn't, it says, clearly only anglo saxons, it's quite funny really, if it wasn't tragic, where exactly are these anglo saxons, do they still exist?

If you are born here then logically you are English, you are born into England and England influences you without you even being aware of it, a friend of mine who's mum comes from Pakistan, comes out to my place in Italy and the Italians would say to him,Inflasie, without him saying a single word. Now how do you explain that?

My point is that if you are born in England you are, English, does not matter where your parents came from. My view is that, if there fore you are English, you are my countryman and when our Englishness is threatened, stand with me, does that sound unreasonable.

I issue this simple challenge to you, one of you, come onto our forum, announce you are muslim and would like to join us and I believe that you will be welcome by most and if you are not, I will leave the EDL. I also promise that I will give any short thrift should they be impolite.
arturo.

 

[arturo]

and what is an extremist Muslim according to the EDL? lol, they welcome Muslims, LOL, ok, so Muslims will go beside EDL members who are chanting Allah is a pedo, and Muhammad is a pedo you c*nt! and also running around saying paki *******s. lol okayyyyyyyyyy.

back to the topic of who is an extremist Muslim, well if a Muslim want sharia law, that makes him an extremist, well, guess what, most Muslims in the UK want sharia law in civil matters for Muslims, just like the Jews have their own religious court, Muslims want their Sharia one too, and i agree with that as that's fair and Jews have it, so that would make me an extremist, and that just goes to show the EDL's double standards.

what else, most Muslims believe Muslim women have a right to wear the niqab if they so choose to, well for most EDL members that would be extremist too, lol. what else, most Muslims believe in jihad, well again that makes us extremist.

Prince, an extremist is one who wants to cause murder,they don't care who is killed.An extremist is one who wants to impose sharia law on me. simple really.

If muslims want those parts of sharia that don't go against the law of the land and it applies to muslims only, do I give a flying fig, no I don't but the law of the land must apply to all, if you have a dispute in the way of a civil matter, if you then then decide you both want to sort it out via your own way fine. If you want to, for example,force a women to marry some one she does not want to, then English law must be applied.If you don't like a law, lobby to get it changed.
arturo.

 

[arturo]

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the EDL protested outside the harrow mosque, they keep saying it wasnt them, yet one of the skin heads shouted EDL EDL EDL.

and they will be protesting outside a future mosque in wales, . so indeedio they have and are going to.

yes, Muslims need to get off their backsides and confront the EDL at all places, just like they did in Harrow.

So you can't see that they are just trying to wind you up mate, think about other demos, like the anti globalisation, hijacked by anarchists, Just because a few idiots chant some slogans, some of these people come to demos just to have a fight, cause as much grief as they can. SO because some pratt calls you a name, I'm to take the blame.So if some muslim want to blow me up, I can blame you then.
arturo

 

[جوري]

, for example,force a women to marry some one she does not want to, then English law must be applied.If you don't like a law, lobby to get it changed.
arturo.

You have a fine upstanding understanding of sharia law as evidenced from above.. Do you wonder why folks see all this as smoke and mirror? Shouldn't you be in the least bit educated of what sharia law is before speaking of which law is better? And actually I'll venture to say unless you are educated in either schools i.e British or Islamic law, which I highly doubt, you are not qualified to judge which of the two is better or worst!

Also, prince gave you an excellent example, if the law doesn't affect you personally as is the case with the Jews, I don't see why you are so crossed? You have some utopic vision of an England cohered by some ridiculous notion of solidarity, well not only does everyone not see eye to eye with you, your whole vision of what is 'good and peaceful' is rather subjective, the most any of you could offer for centuries long atrocities is either a blase dismissal of not bearing the sins of your forefathers, or shuffling the blame around to NATO or whatever other scape goat you depend on to bail you for unspeakable 'indiscretions' That which you choose omit and can't conceive as to why others don't see eye to eye with you has undoubtedly influenced their persuasions.

I am not British, but nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see your colonial little settler island be divided amongst all the nations of which it wreaked and continues to wreak havoc!

all the best

 

[arturo]

You have a fine upstanding understanding of sharia law as evidenced from above.. Do you wonder why folks see all this as smoke and mirror? Shouldn't you be in the least bit educated of what sharia law is before speaking of which law is better? And actually I'll venture to say unless you are educated in either schools i.e British or Islamic law, which I highly doubt, you are not qualified to judge which of the two is better or worst!

Also, prince gave you an excellent example, if the law doesn't affect you personally as is the case with the Jews, I don't see why you are so crossed? You have some utopic vision of an England cohered by some ridiculous notion of solidarity, well not only does everyone not see eye to eye with you, your whole vision of what is 'good and peaceful' is rather subjective, the most any of you could offer for centuries long atrocities is either a blase dismissal of not bearing the sins of your forefathers, or shuffling the blame around to NATO or whatever other scape goat you depend on to bail you for unspeakable 'indiscretions' That which you choose omit and can't conceive as to why others don't see eye to eye with you has undoubtedly influenced their persuasions.

I am not British, but nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see your colonial little settler island be divided amongst all the nations of which it wreaked and continues to wreak havoc!

all the best

I have very little influence on world events and if we realy want exchange views on bad deeds centuries old, we could look at the muslims invasion of Persia or Spain and so on and go round and about who is blame for this that and the other. But rather a useless debate really.

I'm more concerned with the here and now in England so I'll wish you goodnight.
arturo

 

[جوري]

I have very little influence on world events and if we realy want exchange views on bad deeds centuries old, we could look at the muslims invasion of Persia or Spain and so on and go round and about who is blame for this that and the other. But rather a useless debate really.

I'm more concerned with the here and now in England so I'll wish you goodnight.
arturo

The Muslim invasion of Persia or spain, left them a beacon to the world. Spain was the shinning star of all of Europe amidst what would have been otherwise a desolate state of the dark ages as history speaks of its neighbors.
And that right there should be a small clue as to what works better sharia law, or the law that made potatoes the devil food and women akin to animals (as in having no souls)

you are right, I have no interest in going that route with you, I am merely pointing out where you are misinformed if not down right delusional (about your expectations)

all the best!

 

[Ramadhan]

Is EDL such an irony?
they claim they are against extremism, but they can't even rid of BNP?
Or more plausible, their claim is just smoke and mirror.

 

[Blackpool]

Is EDL such an irony?
they claim they are against extremism, but they can't even rid of BNP?
Or more plausible, their claim is just smoke and mirror.

Is this post meant to be stupid? ^o)

 

[arturo]

To put it simply, we are English patriots,unfairly labeled, if you don't believe that, nothing I can do.We are not left or right and open to all to join and we do have muslims,hindus and buddhists among our supporters so far.

As for getting rid of the BNP, yesterday we burned the nazi flag, that should send them a you're not welcome message.

I came on here to reassure you that we are not against moderate muslims.
arturo

 

[Amadeus85]

To put it simply, we are English patriots,unfairly labeled, if you don't believe that, nothing I can do.We are not left or right and open to all to join and we do have muslims,hindus and buddhists among our supporters so far.

As for getting rid of the BNP, yesterday we burned the nazi flag, that should send them a you're not welcome message.

I came on here to reassure you that we are not against moderate muslims.
arturo

Hello Arturo,

My question is, what is opinion of EDL about secular state and christianity. Are there any supporters of true theocracy in England? Because it is the only way imho to save countries like Yours from slow and steady dying. On the other hand, secular state will give more and more political power in England in the hands of jews, muslims, hindus and other minorities.

 

[The_Prince]

Hello Arturo,

My question is, what is opinion of EDL about secular state and christianity. Are there any supporters of true theocracy in England? Because it is the only way imho to save countries like Yours from slow and steady dying. On the other hand, secular state will give more and more political power in England in the hands of jews, muslims, hindus and other minorities.

it was theocracies that took england into the dark ages.

 

[جوري]

it was theocracies that took england into the dark ages.

Perhaps they are nostalgic for the dark ages..can't shed their bestial roots.. so why put on a false front under the guise of progress?

 

[arturo]

Hello Arturo,

My question is, what is opinion of EDL about secular state and christianity. Are there any supporters of true theocracy in England? Because it is the only way imho to save countries like Yours from slow and steady dying. On the other hand, secular state will give more and more political power in England in the hands of jews, muslims, hindus and other minorities.

EDL are not polical in the sense of wanting to obtain power, like for example labour or tories, we are a pressure group that wants only to draw attention to the threat of extreme Islam. Members cover all political groupings and religions.

My own view is that all citizens have equal value.All religions have the right to practice their faith equally but should be separate from the state.
The state should be a democratic one.

There should also be a common set of values to which all within the state should try to hold. A unity.

I think England has lost it's way. For example, who are our hero's,half naked tarts who fill our tv screens and newspapers.So called pop stars who preach violence in there songs.Many of them selfish self serving drug addicts.

We have corrupt politicians who serve only them selves and are prepared to send our solders to die for no good reason, despite millions of protesting, not in our name, they add insult to injury by sending them ill equipped to even fight effectively. They spent more time debating fox hunting than they did the war in Iraq.
Good night,
arturo.

 

[Amadeus85]

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My own view is that all citizens have equal value.All religions have the right to practice their faith equally but should be separate from the state.
The state should be a democratic one.

So Your struggles will be meaningless and won't change anything, but I wish You good luck, as its always better to do something than nothing.

I think England has lost it's way. For example, who are our hero's,half naked tarts who fill our tv screens and newspapers.So called pop stars who preach violence in there songs.Many of them selfish self serving drug addicts.

We have corrupt politicians who serve only them selves and are prepared to send our solders to die for no good reason, despite millions of protesting, not in our name, they add insult to injury by sending them ill equipped to even fight effectively. They spent more time debating fox hunting than they did the war in Iraq.

arturo.

Very true. I have some sentiment to England until 50's and 60's, although that I'm fan of latin culture and catholic world. But Your attempts, based on acceptance of liberalism and democracy wont bring back the old England, it could only save nowadays England, but that will be very hard too.

 

[Tony]

I have been following thread and think that i need to come to Arturos defense, I understand what is being said, and I have to admit that at times us white heterosexual English males seem to have less rights than anyone and are unable to voice opinions for fear of accusations of bigotry. Yes there are problems within British society that enables right wing fascists to hijack any cause and pervert it for their own ends, but, surely there is a rightfor British people to be conscerned and to voice conscern about losing our national identity without being chastised. When a voice is drowned out before it is listened to it is surely the same bullying technique adopted by people who hate without ever trying to understand diversity.
I am not sure what the EDL are hoping for by inviting muslims to burn flags alongside them etc, but I strongly feel that the slightly misguided EDL are in fact a genuine voice for those of us who would like to ensure our heritage and way of life.In the tollerant system of Islam there is room for this and we should be working together in order that all our needs and aspirations are met amicably.
We dont need to crush people or beleifs just because were different and cramped together.
PEACE OUT BROTHERS

 

[The_Prince]

I think the Muslims should join the EDL forum, it will be good to have chats there and refute alot of their propaganda, I have signed up, it's no good to just stay silent and ignore them, you may even attract some of them to Islam.

 

[Tony]

^^^your right brother I will go and check it out later tonight