Establishing an Islamic Family

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There seem to be presumption on this thread that I am lazy, dirty and selfish person. This is completely untrue. I am reasonable and hard –working.
Take into account I did look after my baby’s father for three years. I hoisted him, bathe him, clothed him and assisted with toileting. And also done the cooking and cleaning and looked after my own child too. Therefore I am clearly not lazy as some of you may believe.
I just want someone who is actually simple, responsible, reasonable and kind. I do not want to feel like a slave by cleaning my home like hotel. I never want to be at stage where I am at breaking point. I do not want to be overburden with work that is unnecessary. I also want to be able to maintain my part time job. It seems to me that would be asking too much. Yes this is a big deal to me. Sorry for the late replies.
 
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mad_scientist said:
would a husband feel respected if he finds his house, which he bought from his own money for his wife, in a mess just cuz the wife doesnt like to break sweat in maintaining it? :S
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As i have mentioned before,this is not what I said,I just copy the Mufti who told the person about the rights of women in Islam.You can read my opinion here :)

But marriage is a relation ship of love,respect and mutual understanding.A woman need to understand that taking care of house is their responsibility and to earn money is Man's responsibility.
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Islam choose easy ways for mankind but this is us,the human beings who make our life difficult by expecting so much from others.As i said before,one need to make sure the person whom he/she is going to marry,thinks the same way he/she do,or ealse,two persons of different thoughts will combine to make their life hell.

and what is this talk of saving "man's honor?" If she cant even save her room from mess, how can she save his "honor?" And in what way?
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This talk of honor is mentioned in Surah Al-Nisa.It is about being loyal to your partner physically and mentally.To not get involved with the other man.
BTW,do you think honor is just to clean your room and cooking delicious food?Where you put chastity and cleanliness of heart and mind??
 
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Ubah said:
;D :sl:

I have a child, so dont you think I clean? Of course I do! I just dont do it to an extent I have seen some sisters do it. And I dont want too.


I said on my post that I am clean as you go. I dont leave things to the last minutes and I expect my hubby to be the same. I simply want someone who cleans after himself. And I want someone who doesnt expect to make a meal that takes more than half an hour.

I want a simple person. :statisfie

Ameen and thanks for Dua.

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:sl: Sista

Theres nothing wrong with what u said. InshaAllah u'll be blessed with a simple, caring, loving husband. ameen.

Meals can be made quick, but it depends on the persons hand I think. Some people are quick cookers while others need more time. If u can make nice meals quick theres n/p. I wish I could cook as efficient & as fast as my Ummie. Bless her mashaAllah.=D

Going back on 'husband picking up after himself' ofcourse I agree. I think its about taking care of each other, imagine one day when u are tired he has to pick after u.=)
 
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Good luck to the OP trying to find a husband.

I'm getting married very soon and if my wife don't cook for me, no problem, my mum will. If my wife doesn't want to iron my clothes, that's fine too, I'll get my mum to wash them and then I'll iron them myself. As for fixing my bed, again I do that, but you know where this would lead, me not wanting to sleep in that bed ever again. I can't think of any successful marriage or household where the woman doesn't maintain things.

I got no issues with men doing their own chores, but it's when women start complaining how difficult their job is that men get annoyed. Here is a quote for the OP and women out there from the Hadith.

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:


The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 28
 
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I must also add here, that I have a friend who was advising me as a younger brother, he told me he allows his wife to work, but he doesn't look at her with the same love he did when they first got married, he feels that her working in the western world in a mix environment, his wife is used property. The world gets to see her and him seeing her doesn't feel special. He also said that since his wife started to work, he feels like he has no role in the marriage, like he is not even a man anymore. He comes home to an empty house, he wakes up and his wife is fast asleep as she arrives home later. It's not just the work that's the problem, it's the clashing hours, the lack of time spent together. The list is endless, he told me this cause I'm getting married and I went to him for advice. He said since his wife started working, the house hasn't be re-decorated, he hasn't been on a date with her for years and they don't have time to visit relatives.
 
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^^That makes it sound like he just wants her to stay inside where only he can have anything to do with her, like the "property" he describes. It may not work for everyone but my mum and dad both work but still have time to visit relatives and go out together. I can't judge obviously, because I don't know the man, but it sounds he's being a bit jealous. The role of men and women in society is getting more mixed, which is a good thing, if they chose women should be able to go out and earn the money for the family and if men chose, they can give up work and look after the children (it's been on the news about an increasing number of men doing this). People should be able to do whatever they want if it works, whether it's within traditional gender roles or not.

I've just read your first post, don't get your mum to do things you can't be bothered to do yourself! I thought you said men should share in the chores, but if your clothes aren't washed you'd turn to your mum? Women and men should share the household chores, you both live in it, you both make mess. Also what if a woman has dreams and really wants to do a certain job? Should she give up that dream because the house may become untidy? Don't you think she'd get a bit depressed seeing a life of housework in front of her? Put yourself in her shoes, because in your vision of how things should be you're the man and can do whatever you like. Just because a woman is provided for and has a home (although a safe home is something to be thankful for) does not make her completely happy, we need excitement and to follow own paths too!
 
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Salaam all,

I think one needs to bear in mind that the husband has been out working all day and when he comes home; hungry and tired, is it fair for him to come home to a mess and fish fingers?

Ok, maybe fish fingers is an exaggeration but you get the gist.

I agree some understanding between the 2 is vital and the husband shouldn't carelessly make a mess leaving things everywhere but part of pleasing your husband includes making the home a pleasant place for him and vice versa, of course
 
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LauraS said:
^^That makes it sound like he just wants her to stay inside where only he can have anything to do with her, like the "property" he describes. It may not work for everyone but my mum and dad both work but still have time to visit relatives and go out together. I can't judge obviously, because I don't know the man, but it sounds he's being a bit jealous. The role of men and women in society is getting more mixed, which is a good thing, if they chose women should be able to go out and earn the money for the family and if men chose, they can give up work and look after the children (it's been on the news about an increasing number of men doing this). People should be able to do whatever they want if it works, whether it's within traditional gender roles or not.

I've just read your first post, don't get your mum to do things you can't be bothered to do yourself! I thought you said men should share in the chores, but if your clothes aren't washed you'd turn to your mum? Women and men should share the household chores, you both live in it, you both make mess. Also what if a woman has dreams and really wants to do a certain job? Should she give up that dream because the house may become untidy? Don't you think she'd get a bit depressed seeing a life of housework in front of her? Put yourself in her shoes, because in your vision of how things should be you're the man and can do whatever you like. Just because a woman is provided for and has a home (although a safe home is something to be thankful for) does not make her completely happy, we need excitement and to follow own paths too!
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Firstly the man isn't jealous, he's just not happy than when he comes home from work in the evening his wife is not there, due to the different shift patterns they work, they are 3 hours off and by the time his wife does come home, it's time for him to sleep. He gets one day off in the week and even that day he has to help out his dad with their business as they need his English skills. So the point is this women likes to work, maybe she loves it, which is good at least she's happy, but sooner or later, the lack of time they spend together because of them both working different hours (they cannot be changed because both are employees and not employers) may end up pushing him away from her, it certainly sounded this way.

I've been alone without my family for periods of time (for work) and I tell you it's really depressing when you come home to an empty house, but you come home or leave in the morning even with a brief conversation with your spouse, it can make the world of difference to the relationship.

As for me not wanting to do the chores, I tend to do bits and bobs, but I'm starting to filled up with anger reading about women who just moan and moan and moan about these things. It's not doing the chores that bothers men, it's these whiny little women who go on and on about their rights. That said, my view on the entire matter has changed over the last couple of years, I discovered the Prophet PBUH did his own chores, so I will try to follow the Sunnah and do my own chores.
 
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kingkong said:
Firstly the man isn't jealous, he's just not happy than when he comes home from work in the evening his wife is not there, due to the different shift patterns they work, they are 3 hours off and by the time his wife does come home, it's time for him to sleep. He gets one day off in the week and even that day he has to help out his dad with their business as they need his English skills. So the point is this women likes to work, maybe she loves it, which is good at least she's happy, but sooner or later, the lack of time they spend together because of them both working different hours (they cannot be changed because both are employees and not employers) may end up pushing him away from her, it certainly sounded this way.

I've been alone without my family for periods of time (for work) and I tell you it's really depressing when you come home to an empty house, but you come home or leave in the morning even with a brief conversation with your spouse, it can make the world of difference to the relationship.

As for me not wanting to do the chores, I tend to do bits and bobs, but I'm starting to filled up with anger reading about women who just moan and moan and moan about these things. It's not doing the chores that bothers men, it's these whiny little women who go on and on about their rights. That said, my view on the entire matter has changed over the last couple of years, I discovered the Prophet PBUH did his own chores, so I will try to follow the Sunnah and do my own chores.
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I can understand that both working can be difficult for a relationship, but they should look for a way around it that isn't instantly the wife must give up working. Why should it be the wife? You should think about the feelings of these "whiny little women", what do they want? Imagine a life where you had to give up your goals and look after the house every day. Doesn't the fact you don't like the idea of women not sticking to household chores make you a "whiny little man"? If women want to stay at home, and they have enough money to do so, then fair enough.

The reason I said the man sounds jealous is because he objected to having the world see his wife (?). She has to put up with the world seeing him.
 
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LauraS said:
I can understand that both working can be difficult for a relationship, but they should look for a way around it that isn't instantly the wife must give up working. Why should it be the wife? You should think about the feelings of these "whiny little women", what do they want? Imagine a life where you had to give up your goals and look after the house every day. Doesn't the fact you don't like the idea of women not sticking to household chores make you a "whiny little man"? If women want to stay at home, and they have enough money to do so, then fair enough.

The reason I said the man sounds jealous is because he objected to having the world see his wife (?). She has to put up with the world seeing him.
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Yes they should look for a solution, but if there isn't one and usually unless you get flexible hours, or one or both of them go part time there's not much else that can be done. If one of them has to quit the job it has to be the woman, Islam states the man is the maintainer and provider. What kind of a man would he be if he sacrificed the job he had? As for men and women being whiny, I won't comment any further else people will say I'm sexist. But I'm sure you know what I'm thinking.

As for the second comment about him being jealous, it's a perfectly acceptable form of jealousy, isn't the term Gheerah? We men go to work and we have to lower our gaze, it's ordered upon us to, to avoid looking at women, so that the only woman we are allowed to look at (wives) is all the more meaningful. There's not much else to say on this except that if the woman covers herself and is trustworthy, he shouldn't, in fact no man should have any issues.
 
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kingkong said:
Yes they should look for a solution, but if there isn't one and usually unless you get flexible hours, or one or both of them go part time there's not much else that can be done. If one of them has to quit the job it has to be the woman, Islam states the man is the maintainer and provider. What kind of a man would he be if he sacrificed the job he had? As for men and women being whiny, I won't comment any further else people will say I'm sexist. But I'm sure you know what I'm thinking.

As for the second comment about him being jealous, it's a perfectly acceptable form of jealousy, isn't the term Gheerah? We men go to work and we have to lower our gaze, it's ordered upon us to, to avoid looking at women, so that the only woman we are allowed to look at (wives) is all the more meaningful. There's not much else to say on this except that if the woman covers herself and is trustworthy, he shouldn't, in fact no man should have any issues.
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It's just that the roles women and men in life are changing, women have more rights around the world now which means they want to get out there and work and make their own hoices outside the home. It doesn't make a man any less a man if he's not the one working, as I said perceptions are changing. You may not like it but it's the way it is, things change. I'm not a complete feminist but after everything women have had to put up with through time, constantly being looked down upon, considered second class, less intelligent and the tools of men across all cultures then who can blame us for having had enough and wanting change? You may find it whining, but unfortunately it's the truth. :/
 
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I grew up in a clean house and loving cleanness al-hamdulillah. This and I love cleaning (it's a
wonderful excercise and fun), I dislike lazy and dirty people (this trait in them), whether men or women
and this would include my future husband. I love clean and tidy hardworking people.

If my husband would come home from work or uni, I'd sure not let him return to a dirty and messy home, especially if I've been home the whole day sitting on the couch while he's been working (this would be wrong, simply).
However, as I said I dislike lazy and messy people, it would be wrong of him to walk around the house throwing his clothes & shoes or his dishes here and there and expecting me to come clean after him and put it into it's place.

The general cleaning of the house, I'd do myself, but he should do his own part, meaning clean up his own mess. Even a small child picks up his jigsaw puzzle and toys, how can a big grown-up man not?!
 
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Cleaning and cooking is not such a big deal, I understand. Husband wife relation is based on mutual understanding and tie up with love. It is an agreement only to spend life togather but love only will make both of the parties to remain tie-up.

When my wife does all these works for me, cooks every new reciepe to amuse me, my appreciation increases towards her. Although, there is no restrictions for a wife to do all these stuff, but these are tiny small pieces of work to exhibit your affaction to your husband.
 
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what will they say next :

i can't be arsed to breastfeed...i want a man who is able to breastfeed!.


Muslim women know your Islamic rights and stay in touch with femininity, the way Allah has created you to be.


marriage is a trade...a business...you offer something you get something that's how it should work....dont let other entities cloud your thinking, that men only want and are unconcerned about giving.
 
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you can ask him to hire you a servant several times a week who will do some of the cleaning so all the burden won't be on you. marriage is about understanding and compromise and being considerate twoard each others' needs. so while you would want him to care about what you want and not make you make the house sparkling clean everyday, you would also want him to have a nice clean house and you'd also be considerate toward his financial status and not make him spend more money than he can.

both partners should do their best to make each other as comfortable and happy as possible, not overburdening each other with something that would make them uncomfortable.
 
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The kitchen was nice and tidy when my brother came in and just dumped a plate and cup in the sink, when I told him to wash it up up he whined that he was late and had to go out (to a football match). But I said no, there was no way he was going to leave that there and expect other people to do it. So he did it. I'm practicing for when I have a husband. :) Lol to be fair there are plenty of men out there who keep tidy, as I said, my dad's one of them.
 
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LauraS said:
The kitchen was nice and tidy when my brother came in and just dumped a plate and cup in the sink, when I told him to wash it up up he whined that he was late and had to go out (to a football match). But I said no, there was no way he was going to leave that there and expect other people to do it. So he did it. I'm practicing for when I have a husband. :) Lol to be fair there are plenty of men out there who keep tidy, as I said, my dad's one of them.
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It was tidy and it became untidy because of one cup and one plate?

keep practicing your confrontational skills and then come here and keep us updated with your progress :thumbs_up
 
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LauraS said:
The kitchen was nice and tidy when my brother came in and just dumped a plate and cup in the sink, when I told him to wash it up up he whined that he was late and had to go out (to a football match). But I said no, there was no way he was going to leave that there and expect other people to do it. So he did it. I'm practicing for when I have a husband. :) Lol to be fair there are plenty of men out there who keep tidy, as I said, my dad's one of them.
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Cool. =D

May I ask a question? Will you, if Allah wills, share the caregiving of children with your future husband equally?
 
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Runaway said:
Cool. =D

May I ask a question? Will you, if Allah wills, share the caregiving of children with your future husband equally?
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Yeah, I think both parents should have an equal involvement. :)


Abdullahii-it will become untidy if everyone decides they can't be bothered to clean up their cup and plates (being in unveristy I know this :raging: ). But it's not really fair for someone not to do a simple task like washing up their dinner things when the other person has had to tidy the whole kitchen.
 
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Abdullahii said:
It was tidy and it became untidy because of one cup and one plate?

keep practicing your confrontational skills and then come here and keep us updated with your progress :thumbs_up
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He couldnt be bothered to clean up one cup and plate?
This is one of my pet peeves, when someone comes into a clean kitchen and makes a mess and doesn't bother to clean it up. The only people who I will let get away with that are my parents.
Salam
 

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