Female Foeticide

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Trumble said:
I think you were slightly misrepresented in #47.
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I did not even talk about ALL sorts of atheists, I talked about a certain group of people: Feminist medical ethicists who can be atheists or not. Speaks volume about the "intellectual" ability of folks here.
 
Sigh... we know what you said. The problem is what Ramadan said.

Ramadhan said:
I think br. Mad scientist was responding to the atheists/agnostics in this forum, and not addressing non-muslims in general.
He is actually exposing how hypocritical they are, how they support freedom of abortion, but got mad when it is the female foetus being aborted.
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As you have said, you were not responding to "the atheists/agnostics in this forum". I think Laura assumed she was included in that group and as a consequence rather resented being assumed to hold a particular opinion that she does not.
 
Trumble said:
I am a Buddhist (who also happens to be an atheist). Buddhism is a religion and a philosophy not an ideology but we don't generally approve of abortion, no. I also agree there is a certain level of hypocrisy in finding abortion acceptable in some circumstances but not in others, although I think my last suggested the issue is rather more complicated than some would like to think.

Anyway, atheism is not an ideology, either. It is simply a belief that there is no God. It neither carries nor implies any moral opinions at all, nor any opinions on promoting freedom of choice, or otherwise. There are 'pro'-abortion atheists and anti-abortion atheists. Ditto on political ideologies. Or hunting whales. Or building nuclear power stations. Pacifists and warmongers. Palestinian freedom fighters and Mossad agents. Humanitarians and tyrannical dictators. You name it, you'll find atheists in both camps and anything in between. All I'm trying to say, or ask, is not to dump a whole load of moral baggage on the label atheist or assume people who are atheists hold particular opinions on any issue other than one - whether God exists.
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Sorry for the late reply. I want to go back to your other post as I missed something.

I admit my ignorance when I actually almost believed that BBC story link you gave me. Do you seriously think, 4 Muslim people would beat up a Teacher simply for teaching RE. Do you actually believe this is the reason?

I am just curious to know what you say.
 
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I want to know! Although beating the hell out of someone is pretty much unacceptable. But still I want to know!
 
Guestfellow said:
Salaam,

Four Muslim men who assaulted a religious education teacher because they did not approve of him teaching Muslim girls have been jailed.

What idiots. I do wish the punishments were more harsh. We need corporal punishment to deter these kinds of crimes.
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Brother, you really shouldn't be so judgemental based on what a Islamaphobic/Kuffar media story tells you.

Why doesn't the story even say what it was that the man taught the girls which the 4 men were completly against? Think about it, do you think someone would do such an act just because they didn't "approve" of someone, especially when they've lived in the country for so long (media probably didn't mention they could be british) and know how the system works? I really think their missing out some important details.

I'm not saying it's true, but I would define it as a more reliable source than what the media say regarding the situation, and it's from people that actually know those Muslims. They say that the 4 Muslims attacked teacher for molesting their daughter. I am not saying this is ground breaking truth, just a word from a mouth, but it certainly would make more sense than "cos they didn't approve of the guy so they beat them half to death".

Now even though violence still isn't always the answer, it's very easy to say that when me and you are on the other side of the picture.

Anyways, don't think you should be so judgemental, only Allah(swt) knows the truth.
 
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Guestfellow said:
Salaam, Four Muslim men who assaulted a religious education teacher because they did not approve of him teaching Muslim girls have been jailed. What idiots. I do wish the punishments were more harsh. We need corporal punishment to deter these kinds of crimes.
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What a bunch of idiots! Why didn't they just petition to get the teacher removed instead of beating him like that?
 
Perseveranze said:
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Brother, you really shouldn't be so judgemental based on what a Islamaphobic/Kuffar media story tells you.
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I agree we should not jump to conclusions but these men have been found guilty.

Why doesn't the story even say what it was that the man taught the girls which the 4 men were completly against? Think about it, do you think someone would do such an act just because they didn't "approve" of someone, especially when they've lived in the country for so long (media probably didn't mention they could be british) and know how the system works? I really think their missing out some important details.
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Some details might have been missing. But there was no excuse to beat the man up. These men were convicted of Grievous Bodily Harm with intent section 18. That is a very serious offence. Motive is irrelevant here (harsh but true). They broke the law and should be punished.

I'm not saying it's true, but I would define it as a more reliable source than what the media say regarding the situation, and it's from people that actually know those Muslims. They say that the 4 Muslims attacked teacher for molesting their daughter. I am not saying this is ground breaking truth, just a word from a mouth, but it certainly would make more sense than "cos they didn't approve of the guy so they beat them half to death".
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There might have been several reasons. If a was girl molested by a teacher, then they should have got in contact with the police and the school. Based on the evidence available, the teacher has done nothing wrong and is innocent.

Now even though violence still isn't always the answer, it's very easy to say that when me and you are on the other side of the picture. Anyways, don't think you should be so
judgemental, only Allah(swt) knows the truth.
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I simply cannot tolerate people that commit horrific crimes. Not only these four men caused a victim to suffer a horrific injuries but their family reputation has been tarnished as well.

The court heard Mr Smith suffered multiple injuries, has a permanent 4.7in (12cm) long deep scar across his left cheek, and the whole of the facial part of his skull was broken.

The court heard he cannot remember the attack and has problems with his memory and sufferers from depression and anxiety - all of which now affect his ability to teach.
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The impact this attack on the victim is significant. He did not deserve this.
 
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