Flying the Flag for England? wots the flag rrepresenting? have any idea....

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and brother im not trying to get you worked up, but how can you say that when a muslim is flying around a flag which contradicts the deen of allah a small thing. how can it be that the hadith "Furthermore the Messenger of Allah (saw) said; “whoever imitates a people is one of them”. Imitating the kuffar in their deen is an act of kufr and this is what holding up, waving or displaying the Christian cross (i.e. the St George Flag) amounts to - be a small thing. the whole point is that some muslim are unaware that they may be commiting in what may be in some eyes a small thing but in fact commiting a major offensive and contradiction to their belief. so there is no small issue in islam especially when people are doing when there is clear objection against with reason for its objection.

this is not intended to anyone but expect those who say its ok, to do this knowing the condemnation for doing such things and reasons for it.
 
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Since the beginning of the world cup there has been a rise in the number of people flying the English flag in a desperate attempt to regain national pride. The problem is that this has also become very common within the Muslim community. The call for integration has affected some Muslims to the extent whereby they have gone out of their way to become more acceptable to the Englishman. They too in order to show their solidarity and moderation have flown the English flag over their homes and on their cars, most often not knowing the history behind it.



The national flag of England (otherwise known as the St George flag) bears the blood red cross symbolizing the patron saint of England; St George. This flag was adopted as the uniform for English soldiers during the Crusades against the Muslims of the eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth centuries and was the flag held by the Christians when marching into battle against the Muslims. At the Church of St. George in Fordington, England, there is a sculpture of St. George on a horse leading the Crusaders to victory at the Battle of Antioch (June 1098); his flag bearing the cross.



It is important to note that the Christian crusades were launched at the Council of Clermont in France, on November 27, 1095 by Pope Urban II in order to fight against the Muslims and gain authority over them, believing that this was gods work. These bloodthirsty crusaders waged a brutal and savage attack against the Muslims killing anyone in sight be it men, women or children resulting in mass killing and bloodshed. They un-relentlessly tortured and mutilated Muslims with blood flowing up their knees in the lands of al-Quds without care showing their barbarity and hatred for the Muslims. This ‘war of the cross’ was fought under the banner of Christianity with the red-blood cross as their emblem. These crusades did not stop, in fact up until now we see how the Christians of Europe and their illegitimate children in America have once again allied to fight against the Muslims in order to gain power and authority over us with the aim of destroying our belief. They too believe that they are doing gods work in the service of Christ, even the likes of Bush claim to have received instruction from god telling him to launch a crusade against the Muslims. Bush being the bloodthirsty crusader at the forefront with the cross held high whilst the others follow on behind.



Today this flag is widely used in England as a symbol of national pride and identity more commonly during sporting competitions like the football world cup. The sad reality is that many Muslims too have taken up this flag and chosen to display it as a symbol of their support for the English. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that not only does it represent the blood thirsty Christian crusades waged against the Muslims but also the Christian cross which is a symbol of the incorrect belief that Jesus was crucified on it.



Allah (swt) says in the Quran; And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. [4:157]



Many Muslims have as a result of their ignorance displayed this flag in their houses, shops, cars and even on themselves without knowing the implications of it. The common response from ignorant Muslims is to say; ‘I only support the football team that’s why I’ve got it’ without even taking into consideration the implications of this act. Most often it is these same people who during the cricket world cup will not hesitate to raise the Pakistani or Bengali flag for the same reason. Yet this is not a valid excuse as is the case if someone was to wear a Jewish skullcap, the Sikh bangle, or any other such religious symbol. In fact to do such a thing is in itself an act of kufr as this is showing support, acceptance and reverence to their religious symbols. The fact of the matter is that the English flag is not just a symbol of support for a football team, rather it contains the Christian cross and carries a history of brutality towards the Muslims. It is reported that Ayesha (ra) said: “The Prophet (saw) would not leave anything in his house on which there was a cross but he would alter it.” [Bukhari]



And when uday bin haatim (who used to be a christian before Islam) mistakenly wore a cross out of habit, the prophet (saw) ordered him, “throw this wathn (idol) from your neck!”



Furthermore the Messenger of Allah (saw) said; “whoever imitates a people is one of them”. Imitating the kuffar in their deen is an act of kufr and this is what holding up, waving or displaying the Christian cross (i.e. the St George Flag) amounts to.



We call upon all Muslims to take heed from this message and to remove any flags they may posses however big or small and to advise others to do the same, be they neighbours, family, relatives or friends.

http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/Deen/walaa_baraa/flag.htm

any comments inshalah...

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:rollseyes Time to let go now, surely!
 
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I was refering to the negative side of the past. Remain positive, not negative and you'll live a happy life.

I agree with Muhammad's view point.


Which "negative side" should we be leaving in the past and forgetting about?
 
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But still it's disrespect to our brothers who are shaheed due to their jihad against the crusaders they can support the team as much as they want but it makes me sick to see muslims kissing the flag and placing it one their cars with such pride.

It's like the union jack which ahs been tainted by the BNP. Now many see the St George flag as a British pride. Can you not be muslim and British?

Don't forget, a muslim is a follower of Islam, and being british is someone who resides in Britain!
 
So how many of you would anyone go out dressed like the "KKK" Why not may I ask? Even though they aint that well known anymore like they were back in the day History is History and has a meaning!

Competely different!

What flag did the KKK have?
 
A wise man once said:

"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots."
 
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It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam) said,
"He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah." And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said:
"Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari]
The Prohibition of Nationalism in Islam
http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-...-nationalism-islam.html?highlight=nationalism:salamext:

Salaam

Im personally a very anti- nationalism, cultural etc...

BUT correct me if im wrong theres a hadith (al-bukhari) where the prophet (pbuh) said we have tribes and we should respect them... also in another hadith we should respect/abide by the laws of the country we live in (respectable laws of course non that go against our religion)?

Ma'aslaama
 
brother not being a die hard nationlist means you go around breaking the laws of the land. no body said they want to go out and kill british people, steal, or scam. and im sure its not the law of the land that if you dont wave the st.george cross about youll get locked up. the issue here is of the flag, not the laws of the land, or the flag being british flag, its all about what it represents.
 
I am ignorant because i dont cry a river everytime i see the English flag?

I had NO Words for you Sis.

Actually,..i do,i have many words for you.

But the english flag is enough reason for you to cry a river,i dont want to give you more reasons.

Wa'salaam.

Salaam Bro

I think you are missing the point. I mean yes the past is the past BUT we cannot forget what has happened. I mean Muhammed pbhu is the past is he not the Revloution is the past is it not BUT these importnant points a muslim must remember and carry life on thinking of these things.

Yes the Crusade was many years ago nevertheless someones Great grandparents were killed in cold blood our Ummah was affected and yet you think its all good to wear a flag that marks the day that these Muslims were killed. I think not.

Yeah i agree we have to move on but its importnant that we dont forget the past as it has a nasty way of repeating itself.

p.s Well would you wear the Israel flag proudly at home or on the Street. I dont think so
 
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I think people missinterpreted the soul of my post. So, like a broken record, I shall repeat.
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... I take it all in a stride and get on with my life - i care not for these little things but instead concentrate on following islam and going far in this world. Perhaps others should do the same.

p.s; if I complained about every tiny little wrong doing or unethical decision ever made, I would be a very bitter man and probably would've had a nervous break-down.

My absolute final words on this topic are:
Learn from the past - yes
Live in the past - no.
 
I think you are missing the point. I mean yes the past is the past BUT we cannot forget what has happened. I mean Muhammed pbhu is the past is he not the Revloution is the past is it not BUT these importnant points a muslim must remember and carry life on thinking of these things.

Its funny you point that out...Maybe we should be focusing more on THAT rather than "hey,look,there is a cross of that flag,Haram!Bid'ah!Devients!" :?

p.s Well would you wear the Israel flag proudly at home or on the Street. I dont think so

I am simply going to ignore that question. Because there is no point in answering it.

Wa'salaam.
 
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This issue has been discussed enough. Thread shall be closed to prevent further argumentation.

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