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Re: for the agnostic member...
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And how do you define...an agnostic...?
which religion they follow?
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And how do you define...an agnostic...?
which religion they follow?
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Umm Khalid06
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Re: for the agnostic member...
Agnosticism is a concept, not a full religion. It is a belief related to the existence or non-existence of God. However, many people have started with an Agnosticism, and have added a moral code, rituals and other items to create a belief system with many of the attributes of a religion.
When asked what their religion is, many Agnostics will reply "Agnostic." Since so many Agnostics regard this as their religion, we have a policy of capitalizing the term out of respect, as we do for all religions on this web site. This is not often seen on the Internet, but we feel that it is appropriate.
Agnosticism implies uncertainty about the existence of God. The basic problem here is that there are many answers to the question "Does God exist?" However there is only this one term available to cover all of the meanings. Some of today's possible overlapping answers to the question are:
I don't personally know.
I don't know but will lead my life in the assumption that no God exists.
I don't know but will lead my life assuming that God does exist.
I cannot give an opinion because there is no way that we can prove the existence or non-existence of God given currently available knowledge.
I cannot give an opinion because there is no way to know, with certainty, anything about God, now and in the future.
Yes, God exists. But we do not know anything about God at this time.
Yes, God exists. But we have no possibility of knowing anything about God, now or in the future.
Ultimately, the term "Agnostic" is something like "Christianity." Both refer to a wide diversity of belief systems, but in many cases, an individual asserts that their particular definition is the only fully valid one.
The one principle linking all meanings of "Agnostic" is that God's existence can neither be proved nor disproved, on the basis of current evidence. Agnostics note that some theologians and philosophers have tried to to prove, for millennia, that God exists. Others have attempted to prove that God does not exist. Agnostics feel that neither side has convincingly succeeded at their task.
sister is that what you wented to know
Agnosticism is a concept, not a full religion. It is a belief related to the existence or non-existence of God. However, many people have started with an Agnosticism, and have added a moral code, rituals and other items to create a belief system with many of the attributes of a religion.
When asked what their religion is, many Agnostics will reply "Agnostic." Since so many Agnostics regard this as their religion, we have a policy of capitalizing the term out of respect, as we do for all religions on this web site. This is not often seen on the Internet, but we feel that it is appropriate.
Agnosticism implies uncertainty about the existence of God. The basic problem here is that there are many answers to the question "Does God exist?" However there is only this one term available to cover all of the meanings. Some of today's possible overlapping answers to the question are:
I don't personally know.
I don't know but will lead my life in the assumption that no God exists.
I don't know but will lead my life assuming that God does exist.
I cannot give an opinion because there is no way that we can prove the existence or non-existence of God given currently available knowledge.
I cannot give an opinion because there is no way to know, with certainty, anything about God, now and in the future.
Yes, God exists. But we do not know anything about God at this time.
Yes, God exists. But we have no possibility of knowing anything about God, now or in the future.
Ultimately, the term "Agnostic" is something like "Christianity." Both refer to a wide diversity of belief systems, but in many cases, an individual asserts that their particular definition is the only fully valid one.
The one principle linking all meanings of "Agnostic" is that God's existence can neither be proved nor disproved, on the basis of current evidence. Agnostics note that some theologians and philosophers have tried to to prove, for millennia, that God exists. Others have attempted to prove that God does not exist. Agnostics feel that neither side has convincingly succeeded at their task.
sister is that what you wented to know
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Re: for the agnostic member...
I will assume that you meant “members”.
I am an agnostic. I believe in god but accept, as a real possibility, that god does not exist.
I don’t believe we have any knowledge of god and I do not believe in prophets.
So, how do I worship god? It is really quite simple and informal. I frequently just talk to him. I seldom, if ever, ask for anything. I just tell him thanks for life and all good things that have happened to me.
No complexity, no rituals, I do it anytime anyplace.
Is that for “Any” agnostic member, or did you have someone special in mind?
I will assume that you meant “members”.
I am an agnostic. I believe in god but accept, as a real possibility, that god does not exist.
I don’t believe we have any knowledge of god and I do not believe in prophets.
So, how do I worship god? It is really quite simple and informal. I frequently just talk to him. I seldom, if ever, ask for anything. I just tell him thanks for life and all good things that have happened to me.
No complexity, no rituals, I do it anytime anyplace.
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agnostics are extemely diverse - some believe in god and some don't, but they are not religious about it like atheists are. i think the one thing we would have in common is that ultimately, there is much that is simply unknowable.
speaking only for myself, i worship by feeling thankfulness, contemplating the wonders of nature and listening to qawwali music. (
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like wilber, i talk to god too.
agnostics are extemely diverse - some believe in god and some don't, but they are not religious about it like atheists are. i think the one thing we would have in common is that ultimately, there is much that is simply unknowable.
speaking only for myself, i worship by feeling thankfulness, contemplating the wonders of nature and listening to qawwali music. (
)like wilber, i talk to god too.
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wilberhum do you feel any responce? have you ever tried bowing to God?
btw im very happy to hear that you thank him
wilberhum do you feel any responce? have you ever tried bowing to God?
btw im very happy to hear that you thank him
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You have to bear in mind that agnosticism is a 'sliding scale'
I am a Christian. I have a clear belief of who God is and what he is like, based on the Bible and Christian doctrine.
And yet, I have certain agnostic tendencies, in the sense that I don't think humans can ever and fully claim to totally know and understand God - because God is, by definition, beyond human comprehension!
Peace
You have to bear in mind that agnosticism is a 'sliding scale'
I am a Christian. I have a clear belief of who God is and what he is like, based on the Bible and Christian doctrine.
And yet, I have certain agnostic tendencies, in the sense that I don't think humans can ever and fully claim to totally know and understand God - because God is, by definition, beyond human comprehension!
Peace
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Re: for the agnostic member...
what is qawwali music :? what kind of music:?
agnostics are extemely diverse - some believe in god and some don't, but they are not religious about it like atheists are. i think the one thing we would have in common is that ultimately, there is much that is simply unknowable.
speaking only for myself, i worship by feeling thankfulness, contemplating the wonders of nature and listening to qawwali music . (
like wilber, i talk to god too.
what is qawwali music :? what kind of music:?
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If you believe god wants you to bow to him, what can I say other then we see god differently?
Do I feel any responce? No, I didn't feel any response when I use to bow.wilberhum do you feel any responce? have you ever tried bowing to God?
btw im very happy to hear that you thank him
If you believe god wants you to bow to him, what can I say other then we see god differently?
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sufi music from pakistan and india. so i hear about god, mohammad, ali etc etc all day long!
life is funny, huh?
sufi music from pakistan and india. so i hear about god, mohammad, ali etc etc all day long!
life is funny, huh?
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Sorry for such a long time to reply. I had a nasty accident on 11/2.
But to answer your question, the talking is not physical, just mental.
Sorry for such a long time to reply. I had a nasty accident on 11/2.
But to answer your question, the talking is not physical, just mental.
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Agnostic=someone desperate to discover God, but sees no signs. Lol.
Not exactly the definition. Just my humerous version of it, because I used to be there.
It's really just someone who sees no proof for God--doesn't exactly believe in a God, but doesn't totally rule out the possibility if someday proven that God does exist, somehow.
And Mr. Muslim Thinkier, I seriously don't understand how your screen name corresponds with your "way of life" description, and I don't get that post you just made above. I'm confused!
Not exactly the definition. Just my humerous version of it, because I used to be there.
It's really just someone who sees no proof for God--doesn't exactly believe in a God, but doesn't totally rule out the possibility if someday proven that God does exist, somehow.
And Mr. Muslim Thinkier, I seriously don't understand how your screen name corresponds with your "way of life" description, and I don't get that post you just made above. I'm confused!
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I think most people are agnostic if you take that word in its literal sense.
Pretty much all atheists are agnostic, as they'll admit they are not 100% certain that there is no God or Gods. I think most theists are also agnostic and only the hard core ones have no doubt whatsoever as to the existence of their God.
So the question "how do agnostics worship?" is really not answerable, for some worship and some don't, and those who do don't do it in the same ways.
Pretty much all atheists are agnostic, as they'll admit they are not 100% certain that there is no God or Gods. I think most theists are also agnostic and only the hard core ones have no doubt whatsoever as to the existence of their God.
So the question "how do agnostics worship?" is really not answerable, for some worship and some don't, and those who do don't do it in the same ways.
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cool..thanks...dnt u ever feel the need to be believeing? like...dont u feel insecure and out of control sometimes? ive always wanted to ask this.
in one of the threads u said u'd be dead and rotten in 20 years...why do u think such a thing...?i asked u there but u didnt go bak and check so maybe u can go bak n check n reply.
cool..thanks...dnt u ever feel the need to be believeing? like...dont u feel insecure and out of control sometimes? ive always wanted to ask this.
in one of the threads u said u'd be dead and rotten in 20 years...why do u think such a thing...?i asked u there but u didnt go bak and check so maybe u can go bak n check n reply.
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well, i do believe in god - just not religion. i don't feel out of control - like anyone else, sometimes i feel insecure and overwhelmed by the world around me.
i know, it's hard to understand.
ok - will go back to the other thread, but to save you the trip - i'm 62 and can't really see myself at 82, tho i guess it's not impossible.
cool..thanks...dnt u ever feel the need to be believeing? like...dont u feel insecure and out of control sometimes? ive always wanted to ask this.
in one of the threads u said u'd be dead and rotten in 20 years...why do u think such a thing...?i asked u there but u didnt go bak and check so maybe u can go bak n check n reply.
well, i do believe in god - just not religion. i don't feel out of control - like anyone else, sometimes i feel insecure and overwhelmed by the world around me.
i know, it's hard to understand.
ok - will go back to the other thread, but to save you the trip - i'm 62 and can't really see myself at 82, tho i guess it's not impossible.
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i know that atheists dnt believe in god...but i thought agnostics didnt believe in god either. like even when u look up the meaning of agnostic, it will tell u that agnostics believ that that there is no theory or explanation behind philosophical and theological theories, including the existence of god...they believe that its not known.do u consider urself an orthodox agnostic or half half?
i know that atheists dnt believe in god...but i thought agnostics didnt believe in god either. like even when u look up the meaning of agnostic, it will tell u that agnostics believ that that there is no theory or explanation behind philosophical and theological theories, including the existence of god...they believe that its not known.do u consider urself an orthodox agnostic or half half?
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I consider myself to be agnostic but after reading this I am not so sure. I guess I just have a different view of it so here is what I think. There is a god and there is a devil. There is a heaven and there is a hell. I always try to be a good person. I help those who need help. I love those who need to be loved. I am kind to those who need kindness. There are so many different religions out there and they all say that they are right and the others are wrong. Who am I to say which one is really the right one? What if I chose the wrong one? I can only hope that if I die today that god will see that I am trying to honor him in the only way I know how and that is by beliveing that he is real and by being a good person. As for talking to him- I thank him out loud and in my head daily for giving me a beatuiful son who is healthy and a loving husband that takes care of both of us. I ask him to watch over those who are sick and need help. And I ask for his protection against all of the evils in the world. If not for myself then to at least protect my son when I can not. Ok so I am crying now so explanation over. Hope this answers your questions.