found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

[Amadeus85]

The legalization of homo relationships, homo marriages and allowing homos and lesbians to adopt children is the final sign of the win of atheism and every powers which support it. It's like big banner - "People forgot about the Creator here, the new master reigns now".

 

[cat eyes]

good article! Hasn't that one been put on this forum before? I like the picture of the man and woman holding hands:statisfie My wife had henna done for our wedding, it was beautiful! She does it every once in a while. It is expensive though. Some get their nails done...my wife gets Henna;D

God be with you Ms. Skye. Great post!

i love henna i sometimes do designs on my hands when im really bored ;D

 

[Supreme]

again we have no dislike for homosexuals.. ever heard of hate the sin not the sinner? How could we possibly discuss people we have never met? we are simply discussing an act we find abominable and unnatural!

all the best

Yes, of course of that, although with your constant hostility of Christians, Jews, liberals, Americans, Brits and the like, it wouldn't surprise me if you did *dislike* homosexuals.

Homosexuality is unnatural, but then so is flying in planes, driving and even using the internet! If you want 'natural' then hey, let's all run around stark naked with wooden spears hunting elephants and then retiring to the fire in the cave whilst having relations with our cousins and regularly fighting the other alpha male caveman of the tribe!

 

[جوري]

Yes, of course of that, although with your constant hostility of Christians, Jews, liberals, Americans, Brits and the like, it wouldn't surprise me if you did *dislike* homosexuals.

Homosexuality is unnatural, but then so is flying in planes, driving and even using the internet! If you want 'natural' then hey, let's all run around stark naked with wooden spears hunting elephants and then retiring to the fire in the cave whilst having relations with our cousins and regularly fighting the other alpha male caveman of the tribe!

Again, you need someone to teach you how to rid yourself of the following traits
1- fortune telling
2-mind-reading (especially)
3-magnification (doubly so)
4- emotional reasoning (it is good when you boast a high IQ to actually yield less to emotionality and more to logic) as to loan credence to your point of view..
5-labeling (probably the most unattractive)
6- blame..

so you can have meaningful dialogues with others, if that is indeed your purpose here..

all the best

 

[M.I.A.]

anybody that has an understanding of the persecuted should know better:skeleton:

i particularly like Gossamer skye's post, like giving street dawa with science. (sarcasm)

 

[جوري]

anybody that has an understanding of the persecuted should know better:skeleton:

How so?

i particularly like Gossamer skye's post, like giving street dawa with science. (sarcasm)

we are not offering da3wa on this thread perhaps you got lost on your way to the cantina? (derogatory)

 

[Seeker1066]

The English language is not subject to specific rules; the beauty of the language is the synonyms and the different meanings words can have and the different situations words can be applied to. Homophobia may not be a conventional 'phobia', but it is very much existent and applies to any dislike of homosexuals!

It is made up nonsense. It is demeaning to those with real Phobias. Homosexuality is wrong. Truth is truth even if you try to pretend otherwise.

 

[M.I.A.]

How so?

we are not offering da3wa on this thread perhaps you got lost on your way to the cantina? (derogatory)

what i was trying to incite from you was probably a little more thought, i know its hugely pretencious of me but thats what that post was about.
iv known a shed load of people who are totally against my world view( skewed world view) but if i have anything that they can take from me i hope it would be something of my deen.

lol just stopping by il probably say something completly different on the way back. ps you are ALWAYS offering dawa.

 

[Skavau]

It is made up nonsense. It is demeaning to those with real Phobias. Homosexuality is wrong. Truth is truth even if you try to pretend otherwise.

Perhaps we could agree it is about as relevant as 'Islamaphobia'.

 

[جوري]

Perhaps we could agree it is about as relevant as 'Islamaphobia'.

perverted sexual acts and religion are as similar as tandem biking and the M theory...

love those tired tactics though.. the words are the same..
consent.. who is to come between two consenting adults, of course one wonders how you feel about consenting siblings having sex?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/27/germany.kateconnolly
Bigotry of course (who wants to be a 'bigot')
homophobia (of course who wants to be labeled as a phobic)
then by all means pull the last trump card, compare sodomy to religion.. btw the fellow you quoted isn't even a Muslim so I am not sure what impact 'islamophobia' will have on him!

what a convincing argument..
I think it is time the lot of you regrouped and thought of better methodology because you are failing miserably!

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Not all Muslims who find themselves with homosexual inclinations leave Islam..[...]

i dont get why they even do that to begin with :? you dont find the same Muslims who drink, commit zina, dont pray, disobey their parents, etc leave Islam...i dont know why homosexuality is any different. people always act on impulse and always take the extreme imsad

It is made up nonsense. It is demeaning to those with real Phobias. Homosexuality is wrong. Truth is truth even if you try to pretend otherwise.

what i dont get is if they really did have something wrong with them medically, why dont they get treated with meds for it, like everyone else whose brains a little "unbalanced."

 

[جوري]

i dont get why they even do that to begin with :? you dont find the same Muslims who drink, commit zina, dont pray, disobey their parents, etc leave Islam...i dont know why homosexuality is any different. people always act on impulse and always take the extreme imsad

I believe this to be a psychological problem, not a biological one, as such I quote the verse from the Noble Quran:


وَأَمَّا مَنْ خَافَ مَقَامَ رَبِّهِ وَنَهَى النَّفْسَ عَنِ الْهَوَى {40}
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 79:40] But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and restrained his soul from lust,[/SIZE]
فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَى {41}
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 79:41] Lo! the Garden will be his home.[/SIZE]


as such the key is to restrain oneself from lowly desires in whatever form..

what i dont get is if they really did have something wrong with them medically, why dont they get treated with meds for it, like everyone else whose brains a little "unbalanced."

Some do like the brother above in the article I quoted..

 

[Beardo]

what is this trend people seem to be having with homosexuality...its like becoming in fashion or something :hmm:

My friend was discussing this same issue with me the other day. He was telling me that in his high school, being homosexual makes you popular. At first, I was like whaaat? No way. And it seems like you just affirmed his statement.

 

[جوري]

My friend was discussing this same issue with me the other day. He was telling me that in his high school, being homosexual makes you popular. At first, I was like whaaat? No way. And it seems like you just affirmed his statement.

I must be incredibly old fashioned.. seems like yesterday I was playing with my atari

and here I am now, can't keep up with the latest fashion trends ^o):hmm:

 

[Ramadhan]

It's really noy just for Non-Mulsims. There is a huge gay Muslim community as well. I even saw a documentary on it called "Gay Muslims"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Muslims

Being gay is not something one is born with. It's a choice. It's a gross discusting inexcusable sin. It's so bad how the whole world is becomming immune and treating them like they are a new race.:heated:

In Islam, having gay feelings is not "gross disgusting inexcusable sin".
While acting on those gay feelings are indeed abominable sin.
Those gay feelings is a test from Allah.
Indeed it is no more difficult test than any other tests.
For the believers who have gay tendencies, if they can control and defeat
those nafs, then it is a way to be elevated in status by Allah and to get Allah's ridho and mercy.

That's why Rasulullah SAW advised anyone to get married as soon as they can.

 

[Italianguy]

In Islam, having gay feelings is not "gross disgusting inexcusable sin".
While acting on those gay feelings are indeed abominable sin.
Those gay feelings is a test from Allah.
Indeed it is no more difficult test than any other tests.
For the believers who have gay tendencies, if they can control and defeat
those nafs, then it is a way to be elevated in status by Allah and to get Allah's ridho and mercy.

That's why Rasulullah SAW advised anyone to get married as soon as they can.

Sorry bro, I should have worded it that way. I meant that if they are gay, meaning they act upon those...ummmmm, feelings^o) It is a severe sin. A Christian can't call themselves a follower of Christ and be gay at the same time, I hate how they do that. I don't hate gays, I pray that they will truley find God and realise it didn't start with Adam and Eddie...It started with Adam and Eve.

 

[Italianguy]

I must be incredibly old fashioned.. seems like yesterday I was playing with my atari

and here I am now, can't keep up with the latest fashion trends ^o):hmm:

Your not to old....I love the atari:embarrass In fact, they are reselling that system in stores again, as a new system! YEAH! They call it the retro atari....now I feel oldimsad

 

[جوري]

Sorry bro, I should have worded it that way. I meant that if they are gay, meaning they act upon those...ummmmm, feelings^o) It is a severe sin. A Christian can't call themselves a follower of Christ and be gay at the same time, I hate how they do that. I don't hate gays, I pray that they will truley find God and realise it didn't start with Adam and Eddie...It started with Adam and Eve.

Adam and Steve rhymes better..

 

[Skavau]

perverted sexual acts and religion are as similar as tandem biking and the M theory...

I think you'll find I wasn't comparing religion with anything, only 'phobias' in the context of disagreeing with world views, or beliefs. The reality is that some people against homosexuality are also homophobic and some people against Islam are Islamaphobic. Phobia has to do with irrational fear. If you have irrational concerns about either Islam or homosexuality and actually feel irrationaly concerned or scared when in contact with either a Muslim or a homosexual then you might, just perhaps have phobia.

Labelling everyone who has a problem with either as phobic in some sort of way is just a petulant retort.

love those tired tactics though.. the words are the same..
consent.. who is to come between two consenting adults, of course one wonders how you feel about consenting siblings having sex?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/27/germany.kateconnolly

You answered it yourself: consent.

There's really no argument that someone who believes in consent can argue against concerning that. There are no ethical issues. As soon as two parties consent to any given action it no longer becomes a question of ethics.

Bigotry of course (who wants to be a 'bigot')
homophobia (of course who wants to be labeled as a phobic)
then by all means pull the last trump card, compare sodomy to religion.. btw the fellow you quoted isn't even a Muslim so I am not sure what impact 'islamophobia' will have on him!

I don't care what affect it has on him. I didn't quote him just to get him to respond.

I think it is time the lot of you regrouped and thought of better methodology because you are failing miserably!

At what? What do you imagine 'we' are trying to do?

 

[M.I.A.]

almost feels like im being trolled here but i guess everybody's views are engrained.
knew a guy at uni, very polite, didnt even look at girls, his mannerisms were odd. like his brain was a bit off center, didnt fit into any groups. seemed like a cool guy i think i prayed jumma with him a few times.
anyway, i thought he was gay.
now i work in a pharmacy with about 10 women and 2 guys. they must think im gay.(implying im polite, lol, my intentions are...what my hands, feet and mouth send out against me i do not know)
dont dismantle homosexuality down to being a perverted act, its somebodies whole life you deconstructed, try a little more understanding.