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Hey everyone. I can understand how those cartoons may be insulting. I used to have a religion myself back when my neighbors converted me to Christianity for a little while. However as a very patriotic American I consider the rights to privacy, keep and bear arms, and especially free speech to be of the utmost importance, far above the want people have to feel warm and fuzzy all the time. That of course is why I consider a certain American leader to be a traitor to the Constitution and people of the United States.

American politics aside though, what do yall think? Do you want censorship?

Upon a cursory glance there seem to be some crazy jihadists/jihadist wannabes. I'm sorry that the Europeans(I'm just guessing that's where most of yall reside) are an ignorant racist bunch, and that there's not as much opportunity as there is in a more open and prosperous like the US or Canada. You can't tread on the rights of others because they made you feel bad though. American Muslims are very capable of understanding free speech, and all Americans are culturally richer because of their presence. Just know, if you don't embrace freedom, you'll never be in the least bit welcome in a free society. Also a certain saying comes to mind... "Vote with your dollar(euro/whatever)". In a place like Western Europe, US, Japan, etc that's really your only good choice.
 
well if someone says something like "your mother is a #%^54 #$%^#$%^" (replace symbols with really ride words" and then publishes them in a news paper

THAT is not freedom of speech - thats just plain cussing and agression

This move done by the newspapers is active agression against muslims
 
Salaam

Freedom speech I call that Sheer Racism.
 
Salaam,

There must be a limit on freedom On Speech...
 
Salaam

Freedom of speech is okay as long as it aint offensive
 
If it's just insults, it's perfectly legal. It might be cussing, although I think of aggression as being physical. Free speech of course does have limits. You can't yell that there's a fire if there's not because of public safety, or blatantly lie about someone as that's slander. Many combinations of obscenities and insults though are allowed, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I love watching parody shows that insult politicians I don't much care for.
 
akulion said:
as we can see the hatered coming from the mouth of the Danish Queen already as she has declared a war on Islam openly now
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Salaam,

The Boycoot has had an effect on them, thats why she is angry...
 
Hi Moples and welcome to the forum,
We need to balance freedom of speech with the rights of others, and in fact this is something that western democracies have already incorporated into their law. Inciting hatred against a visible minority is illegal in many countries. Courts recognize the issue of slander for individuals, and the same holds for religion. The only difference is that with the latter you insult far more people. In western societies, people may have their freedom of expression limited for a number of reasons. One cannot appear nude in society because it is consider offensive to others.

In such a sensitive time, when there are already prevalent stereotypes and prejudice against Muslims and Islam, exercising one's 'freedom of expression' in such a manner is a terrible decision. Only through promoting understanding and tolerance in today's world will we be able to reverse the negative trends and achieve peace.

Regards
 
:sl:

You know they are making mischeif and they know it too but just using freedom of speech as an excuse!

There was absolutely no need to print those cartoons!

:w:
 
Moples said:
Hey everyone. I can understand how those cartoons may be insulting. I used to have a religion myself back when my neighbors converted me to Christianity for a little while. However as a very patriotic American I consider the rights to privacy, keep and bear arms, and especially free speech to be of the utmost importance, far above the want people have to feel warm and fuzzy all the time. That of course is why I consider a certain American leader to be a traitor to the Constitution and people of the United States.

American politics aside though, what do yall think? Do you want censorship?
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Not at all. Only for freedom of speech to be excercised responsibly.

Upon a cursory glance there seem to be some crazy jihadists/jihadist wannabes. I'm sorry that the Europeans(I'm just guessing that's where most of yall reside) are an ignorant racist bunch, and that there's not as much opportunity as there is in a more open and prosperous like the US or Canada. You can't tread on the rights of others because they made you feel bad though.
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I apologise if that's how it appears. I assure you I personally value freedom of speech - but not as an excuse to just say any offensive thing one would like to say. It's similar to the ways terrorists hide behind a legitimate religion, abusing it to their own ends.

American Muslims are very capable of understanding free speech, and all Americans are culturally richer because of their presence. Just know, if you don't embrace freedom, you'll never be in the least bit welcome in a free society. Also a certain saying comes to mind... "Vote with your dollar(euro/whatever)". In a place like Western Europe, US, Japan, etc that's really your only good choice.
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Do the words 'Boycott on Danish Goods' mean anything to you? Not that it was a wise move. In fact, that boycott has probably exacerbated the situation.

Okay, just to clarify - I am not against freedom of speech. I only ask that it be used responsibly. I mean, hey, I could stand on a box and shout out 'GO KILL EVERY GREEN SKINNED MUTANT YOU SEE!', but then if I'm mobbed by Green Skinned Mutants, I can't really complain and say 'freedom of speech' can I?
 
hey did u guys read the news?

The company Aria (Danish + Swedish) alone has lost 4- to 50 MILLION pounds since the boycott began and has had to lay off 170 workers!!

woo hoo
 
Greetings Moples,

Welcome to the forum. I agree with most of what you say, but:
Moples said:
I'm sorry that the Europeans are an ignorant racist bunch
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Eh?

You don't mean all Europeans, surely?

Peace
 
man why cant they just apologize?

why do they wana inflame the issue further?

it shows their true intentions!!
 
akulion said:
man why cant they just apologize?

why do they wana inflame the issue further?

it shows their true intentions!!
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Because from our point of view they did nothing wrong. Also goverments can't force them to apologize. Freedom of speech. :)
 
salama

i remember reading that Ali ibn Abu Talib (ra) said:

"The right of freedom of speech consists in speaking the truth"

its so true
 
Can You say what is TRUE? One of polish poets said:
"Truth is like ass - everyone has it's own".
Sometimes we can't say what is true.
 
If you poke fun a Jew or a black person... you're in trouble. You're crossing the line!! But a muslim...."it's freedom of speech"
 

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