Freedom and evil acceptance.

[h-n]

When the people in the west quote freedom its is that they want freedom for people to accept their evil without any criticism.

Majority have not actually had a Muslim come upto them and be critical of them, but they feel dirty, that religious people will not accept them. They already know this without a Muslim actually need to say this to them and this is what they are acting upon. They are not happy with themselves and take it out on others!

For example if a female had sex outside of marriage and she liked a Muslim, she would feel uncomfortable about herself and her past life, and of course is not acceptable to that Muslim. Some evil people repent and that of course is the best to save yourselves from Hell. There are those that go red faced, angry as they are not happy with themselves and go against good people as they know that we don't accept them for what they are today.

In the Quran;-

And Lut, when he said to his tribe: "Do you commit an obscenity not perpetrated before you by anyone in all the worlds? You come with lust to men instead of women. You are indeed a depraved tribe." The only answer of his tribe was to say: "Expel them from your city! They are people who keep themselves pure!" So We rescued him and his family-except for his wife. She was one of those who stayed behind. We rained down a rain upon them. See the final fate of the evildoers!
(Qur`an, 7:80-84) Even in the above verse, the people do not hide behind good intentions-being hyocrites as they are today, they know that Prophet Lut peace be upon him had told them to be good-hence why they said lets get rid of him as he is telling people to keep themselves good, pure!

People in the West absolutely know this today. This is why they want to get rid of Islam just like the homosexuals wanted to get rid of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him.

There is no such thing as freedom, they even go as far as saying that they are giving their children a choice of being religious-then why don't they teach them to be pure, good instead of making it acceptable for them to have sex outside of marriage. As they are in lewd behaviour they don't want to stop others because then they would be critical of their own lives and they stay in their sinful lives.

It is not what/how Muslims have behaved to them, it is the understanding that Allah has allowed them to have as Allah provides a fair test to everyone. The understanding that they are not acceptable to be lewd, to go against the truth of Islam. For an evil person to be surrounded by good people they would feel uncomfortable about themselves, that is why they try and say there are plenty of them, but still even if they had all the sinful people in the history of this world to be confident they still are not in any comparison to one Muslim. A evil person going to Hell is not equivalent to one going to Paradise. 100 evil people going to Hell do not equal one good person going to Paradise. What are all the inhabitants of the Hell compared to one Muslim? Nothing.

 

[h-n]

Also third paragraph from the bottom, its supposed to say that of course that the homosexuals wanted to go against Prophet Lut peace be upon him.

Also that they already know of about being good as they portray an image of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him being pure and good as they talk about his Mother too. I think that when they go abroad for a holiday they want to be appreciated and respected. If you went and met a King in another country you only want to be treated well by him. They may not care about what he is trying to teach, as long as they are provided with food etc. Nowadays since the generation are being more lewd then there before them they know they won't be treated as good people. Of course people have spoken about visiting Muslim countries and being treated well.

When people are jealous its actually a mixture of emotions other people's successes remind them of their own failures. Instead of improving and repenting as they should stop thinking of what other people think, and pay attention to having Allah be pleased with them. Plenty of people have repented in the past and they have many examples. Even in some examples there have been females when they have sex outside of marriage they go to School and they start disliking the other girls who are still virgins.

Just to make Muslims aware, so they don't make it think its a religious reasons why there are plenty of people going against Islam. As even Allah has said that they are bent on denying the truth. To read the Quran and not fall for their lies. They continue to go against Islam as they look for the life of this world instead of the next.

 

[kite runner]

There is no such thing as freedom, they even go as far as saying that they are giving their children a choice of being religious-then why don't they teach them to be pure, good instead of making it acceptable for them to have sex outside of marriage. As they are in lewd behaviour they don't want to stop others because then they would be critical of their own lives and they stay in their sinful lives.

Exacly exactly exactly mashallah they are slaves to their government and don't even realise it

 

[h-n]

Exacly exactly exactly mashallah they are slaves to their government and don't even realise it

Thanks for taking the time to read it.

 

[h-n]

Created this on a seperate thread, but decided to add this to this one.

They say what they believe is the truth when they say this they are lying.

Allah does not throw someone into Hell because they rejected what they thought Islam was wrong, he in throwing them into Hell because they knowingly rejected the "truth" as stated in the Quran.

1. Allah destroyed the people of Aad and Thamud because they rejected the truth.

2. Even the homosexuals rejected Prophet Lut peace be upon him because he was speaking the truth, it even written in the Quran that they said this person is telling us to be pure, good, and we don't want to listen to him! They did not say they rejected Islam because they thought it was wrong!

3. The non believers are trying to convince themselves that Islam is not right to no avail, they are even acting and their facial expressions are similar to how some females reject the notion of marriage when they have been lewd, they know that marriage is good, but they are trying to make any excuses to say they don't care about marriage.

No one going to Hell is going to say they did not understand what is required of them, they are liars, only holding onto the life of this world and making up any excuses not to be religious.

The people holding onto the life of this world when they know it is not going to last.

The scientist holding onto what life could be like in future, were they will not be part of it, they are holding onto something that they will not have, ie going to Jupiter. That means they are worser and obviously more arrogant as they think about themselves in relation to this Universe and therefore are happy with this, and not about the Universe existance in relation to Allah. Even scientists have said that its normal for them to think about how they relate to such and such. So only care about gaining attention for themselves and what they get from other people is enough (not about getting to this far reaching goal, as long as they are treated well by others), they of course want to complete work to gain attention etc.

Its like if you went to another kingdom, and you met the King, lets say he treats you well, that's the only think they look for and be arrogant and happy about, if the King tells them to learn about Islam, they are not bothered as long as they were treated well (and that is what they are asking of the Muslims). Of course even the angels won't be kind to them when they are dead, hitting their backs. They are only willing to accept homosexuals because they themselves are being lewd, so if they went against lewd behaviour they would have to change themselves, and they don't want to enjoin good and forbid evil as they hold on to the life of this world. But they know its unacceptable.

If you saw a religious, mature, responsible adult, then there are people who want to go upto them for attention, as they care, note they would not go upto homosexuals, drunkards for attention, so they waste their time in talking about anything with the religious person just to get attention. The Muslim Men are the best, and are respected, they cannot compare a Muslim Man to a Christian one. There is no one that rivals him. Muslim Men are caring, responsible, mature at the same time. Not acting as sissys as the Christian Males are.

Its like Dramas on TV if there are programmes that people watch and then they expect the actor to be responsible like him, and gain attention from. They even used mature, responsible characteristics for the Lords of the Rings movie-of course the Elves were not advocating being lewd, and being homosexuals. In Doctor Who, the TimeLords are dressed in long outfits, and the Muslim Men are the ones that dress modestly. If you just wear jeans you don't get that kind of reaction.

That is why some people don't understand that when you are a Muslim Man you have a wife that is happy to love and care for you, solely because you are worshipping Allah, even the houri in Paradise are willing to get married to a Muslim Man they don't know much about him, but the fact that he is a Muslim that is enough. So I don't care for Males hiding behind the image of a Muslim Man, being sissys, treating marriage as a charity, to help them be religious, when they should be anyway before they get married, as Allah has never told us to get married to idiots. Men have to be religious which is why they are respected and loved. Going a bit off topic here, after talking about the respect from religious Men have, so I'll leave this to that. But its important not to have Western views and be drawn into the media.

Muslims are the best, worshipping the one God and remember the Day of Judgement. We love Allah!

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I hope you don´t judge people you don´t even know so fast. It is not islamic manner.

Remember roses!

 

[h-n]

Salam alaykum

I hope you don´t judge people you don´t even know so fast. It is not islamic manner.

Remember roses!

Again talking as a sinful person, they are the ones who quote "judging" a person too much, of course a Muslim need not mention it as their intentions are clear. People in the west ask people not to judge them to stop people from being critical of them for being so wrong! I've actuallly already written a thread waiting for approval on the comparitive section on this issue called "Talking as sinners do" were we are not copying off Christianity etc, we forbid evil and enjoin good, not say we cannot say a person is not being Islamically good when obviously they aren't. So you go around winding people up, your not doing an Islamic thing, its a no brainer.

Tell the Palestinians to smell the roses,
Tell the people in Pakistan who are suffering from the flood to smell the roses,
Tell your family when there are no more banks, countries to smell the roses,
Telling me to smell the roses in this World today with so many problems, how awful!
Tell the people who are being tortured in the grave to smell the roses.

 

[sister herb]

Again talking as a sinful person, they are the ones who quote "judging" a person too much, of course a Muslim need not mention it as their intentions are clear. People in the west ask people not to judge them to stop people from being critical of them for being so wrong! I've actuallly already written a thread waiting for approval on the comparitive section on this issue called "Talking as sinners do" were we are not copying off Christianity etc, we forbid evil and enjoin good, not say we cannot say a person is not being Islamically good when obviously they aren't. So you go around winding people up, your not doing an Islamic thing, its a no brainer.

Tell the Palestinians to smell the roses,
Tell the people in Pakistan who are suffering from the flood to smell the roses,
Tell your family when there are no more banks, countries to smell the roses,
Telling me to smell the roses in this World today with so many problems, how awful!
Tell the people who are being tortured in the grave to smell the roses.

Salam alaykum

I am Palestinian. I am also widow of Palestian shaheed.

I love roses.

Live life as mine and then come to tell me smelling of roses!

 

[h-n]

Salam alaykum

I am Palestinian. I am also widow of Palestian shaheed.

I love roses.

Live life as mine and then come to tell me smelling of roses!

I don't care if your Palestinian, or from Seirra Leone, Liberia etc. Still you have not mentioned whether you will be telling them to smell the roses. You got nothing to say, and then you tell me to live life as yours and then tell you to smell the roses, when I am not the one who is talkiing about the life of this world, how pathetic!!

I am already aware that even people from there, do not look towards the Day of Judgement as much, but about living in this world, see "Cruel, unkind and not looking towards the life of the next world". I am already aware that if a lot of those people if they had my life in the UK, they would be carrying on with life as normal, they would be happy with my home, my possessions, having many clothes, BUT I am happy to give up all that soon, which is what they and a lot of people dread to think about. Even I mentioned to people years ago, why should I care about them when they only think for the life of this world and if they had my life in the UK, they actually would be happy about living in this world, and not think much about what other people are going through around the world and incorporate that in their lives, why should I live in peace, when others are going through rubbish? I said my looking towards the Day of Judgement is not going to stop because of other people's preferences, obviously people look at what they want in this world, not what is good for them, and thank Allah there is not going to be any other state, the Palestinians, the Iraqis etc will not be discussing that as soon as these countries UK, US, etc have finished. As per the "Collapse of these countries" and the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" thread. So at least I am talking about what is going to happen and not to lie to people about talking about what people would prefer, and what are not attainable goals in this world and looking at building states is no good thing.

I don't care if they want to build a nice state in Palestine, Sierra Leone, Liberia (were a lot of them are not even Muslims). They are going to have the countries destroyed and go to the Major signs of the Day of Judgement whether people like it or not.

I know that over 5.5 BILLION which is over that number do look at what they want in this world. They certainly want to carry on as life is normal, they dread to think that there countries are over. SO IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT YOU ON BRING THEM ALL ON YOUR SIDE, I AM NOT JOINING YOUR WAY OF LIVING. So I already don't care that I don't agree with over 5.5 billion people in this world, people don't need to take statistics, people actually looking towards the collapse of these countires, there are not many people who do that in this world. So I already understand as above that people don't care about what I am talking about.

I have spent years and years looking towards the Day of Judgement. I have personally for real NEVER smelt a rose, and I NEVER will. Why should I continue to look at things in enjoyment when people are being held, tortured in prison etc?

I have already said years and years ago, thank Allah that I don't have to continue to live as people put it "normal" whilst people in Palestine have problems etc. I am thankful that I am a live at the end of these countries going towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement. Which is were I will not be changing, and as stated in the other thread "I will not be talking to you" and so many others, you can only get away with saying with what you want if these countries are not finishing right now! There is no need to write wind up posts, when you cannot even refute the threads. So saying that you are Palesitian etc, does not mean that a person who is not has not shown empathy to the situation, and its obvious that if people had my life they wouldn't be doing it even more. Again, I already know that there are plenty of Palestianians if they had my life in the UK, they would also be saying just carry on with life as normal, regardless if people are suffering in Palestine etc. I will NEVER say that, NEVER have and NEVER will. I had every opportunity to say that, considering that I have more levels of comfort then other people do, but I NEVER will. I 100% believe that countries are finishing, and I thank Allah for that too!

 

[cat eyes]

sisters maybe its time both of you smelt the roses and stop arguing. ramadhan is upon us

this is getting truly ridiculous now..

The general section is going to end up getting closed.. three sections have already been closed so far.

Ramadhan kareem!

 

[أحمد]

I don't care if your Palestinian, or from Seirra Leone, Liberia etc. Still you have not mentioned whether you will be telling them to smell the roses. You got nothing to say, and then you tell me to live life as yours and then tell you to smell the roses, when I am not the one who is talkiing about the life of this world, how pathetic!!

I am already aware that even people from there, do not look towards the Day of Judgement as much, but about living in this world, see "Cruel, unkind and not looking towards the life of the next world". I am already aware that if a lot of those people if they had my life in the UK, they would be carrying on with life as normal, they would be happy with my home, my possessions, having many clothes, BUT I am happy to give up all that soon, which is what they and a lot of people dread to think about. Even I mentioned to people years ago, why should I care about them when they only think for the life of this world and if they had my life in the UK, they actually would be happy about living in this world, and not think much about what other people are going through around the world and incorporate that in their lives, why should I live in peace, when others are going through rubbish? I said my looking towards the Day of Judgement is not going to stop because of other people's preferences, obviously people look at what they want in this world, not what is good for them, and thank Allah there is not going to be any other state, the Palestinians, the Iraqis etc will not be discussing that as soon as these countries UK, US, etc have finished. As per the "Collapse of these countries" and the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" thread. So at least I am talking about what is going to happen and not to lie to people about talking about what people would prefer, and what are not attainable goals in this world and looking at building states is no good thing.

I don't care if they want to build a nice state in Palestine, Sierra Leone, Liberia (were a lot of them are not even Muslims). They are going to have the countries destroyed and go to the Major signs of the Day of Judgement whether people like it or not.

I know that over 5.5 BILLION which is over that number do look at what they want in this world. They certainly want to carry on as life is normal, they dread to think that there countries are over. SO IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT YOU ON BRING THEM ALL ON YOUR SIDE, I AM NOT JOINING YOUR WAY OF LIVING. So I already don't care that I don't agree with over 5.5 billion people in this world, people don't need to take statistics, people actually looking towards the collapse of these countires, there are not many people who do that in this world. So I already understand as above that people don't care about what I am talking about.

I have spent years and years looking towards the Day of Judgement. I have personally for real NEVER smelt a rose, and I NEVER will. Why should I continue to look at things in enjoyment when people are being held, tortured in prison etc?

I have already said years and years ago, thank Allah that I don't have to continue to live as people put it "normal" whilst people in Palestine etc. I am thankful that I am a live at the end of these countries going towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement. Which is were I will not be changing, and as stated in the other thread "I will not be talking to you" and so many others, you can only get away with saying with what you want if these countries are not finishing right now! There is no need to write wind up posts, when you cannot even refute the threads.

Don't punish yourself over sins of others, sister harb is right, but there seems to have become some sort of misunderstanding between the two of you.

You shouldn't jump to calling anyone a sinner based on a misunderstanding, otherwise it won't take long for disputes to erupt; people love disputes, that is what people are best at.

(11:116-119) So why were there not among the generations before you those of enduring discrimination forbidding corruption on earth - except a few of those We saved from among them? But those who wronged pursued what luxury they were given therein, and they were criminals. And your Lord would not have destroyed the cities unjustly while their people were reformers. And if your Lord had willed, He could have made mankind one community; but they will not cease to differ. Except whom your Lord has given mercy, and for that He created them. But the word of your Lord is to be fulfilled that, "I will surely fill Hell with jinn and men all together."

Try to think positive; as those whom Allah has given mercy. Don't make every little matter into a dispute.

ما شاء الله you created a very useful thread; lets not spoil it now by arguing. If you think someone's criticising you; don't argue, try to explain your point again, as there maybe a misunderstanding.

:wa:

 

[h-n]

I have NEVER called a Muslim a sinner, I said they were talking as one, and that is no difference in advising other Muslims not to be lewd, to drink alcohol, that is too ACTING as a sinful person.

 

[أحمد]

I have NEVER called a Muslim a sinner, I said they were talking as one, and that is no difference in advising other Muslims not to be lewd, to drink alcohol, that is too ACTING as a sinful person.

Try to keep control over your anger.

In Islam, behaving like a sinner is a sin, this includes talking like a sinner; anyone committing a sin is a sinner. Imitating a sin is a sin, whichever way you wish to look at it.

If you believe that someone is behaving like a sinner, and its only between you and that person; don't advertise that person as a sinner, as a hadeeth states: "كل أمتي معافا إلا المجاهرين", "There is forgiveness for all my ummah, except those who advertise sin".

:wa:

 

[h-n]

It is not anger, it is the fact that I will not accept 100% that someone derails threads, that is useful to others, if I write with anger, then people can tell the difference. As they are not used to it, as I don't create my threads for idle talk, which they already know, but they still persist in a mockery behaviour towards me, not I to them. They are not used to people who look towards the collapse of these countries for real, and if they cannot cope with me, then pity as people will not be behaving as them when they go through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement.

She has been warned at least over 4 times, I have given her explanations, which she has chosen to ignore, so that is not my issue that she then plays the victim and treats herself as if she is ill done by. Non of her posts are about post 1 of the thread, I have given my points on "I am not going to talk to you.." and she has the idea to ignore that and still persist in what she is doing. I have no sympathy. Its not advertising sin, people are told in public too, not to do so and so, and she is publically doing it, so what is there to hide?? If someone commits a sin, people know about it and are even taken to the courts so, not in private and people can be stoned again not in private. So I created some other threads as they were ignoring the many points that I had given, and ignored again, again and again, so to tell others not to commit the same mistakes as they do (at the end I had to confront their behaviour as it was happening again and again, which I have done.). Advertising people's sins, I am not doing, and neither interested in, as I would have created a thread and placed their names on it. Yes, I will ignore them in future.

 

[أحمد]

It is not anger, it is the fact that I will not accept 100% that someone derails threads, that is useful to others, if I write with anger, then people can tell the difference. As they are not used to it, as I don't create my threads for idle talk, which they already know, but they still persist in a mockery behaviour towards me, not I to them. They are not used to people who look towards the collapse of these countries for real, and if they cannot cope with me, then pity as people will not be behaving as them when they go through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement.

She has been warned at least over 4 times, I have given her explanations, which she has chosen to ignore, so that is not my issue that she then plays the victim and treats herself as if she is ill done by. Non of her posts are about post 1 of the thread, I have given my points on "I am not going to talk to you.." and she has the idea to ignore that and still persist in what she is doing. I have no sympathy. Its not advertising sin, people are told in public too, not to do so and so, and she is publically doing it, so what is there to hide?? If someone commits a sin, people know about it and are even taken to the courts so, not in private and people can be stoned again not in private. So I created some other threads as they were ignoring the many points that I had given, and ignored again, again and again, so to tell others not to commit the same mistakes as they do. Advertising people's sins, I am not doing, and neither interested in, as I would have created a thread and placed their names on it. Yes, I will ignore them in future.

If someone tries to derail a thread, or posts anything problematic; click on "Report Post", type in a quick reason for reporting their post, and leave it to a member of staff to deal with.

Your threads are useful, no one should use their efforts to derail them, they should instead take part in the discussion.

:wa:

 

[Dagless]

It is not anger, it is the fact that I will not accept 100% that someone derails threads, that is useful to others, if I write with anger, then people can tell the difference. As they are not used to it, as I don't create my threads for idle talk, which they already know, but they still persist in a mockery behaviour towards me, not I to them. They are not used to people who look towards the collapse of these countries for real, and if they cannot cope with me, then pity as people will not be behaving as them when they go through the Major signs of the Day of Judgement.

She has been warned at least over 4 times, I have given her explanations, which she has chosen to ignore, so that is not my issue that she then plays the victim and treats herself as if she is ill done by. Non of her posts are about post 1 of the thread, I have given my points on "I am not going to talk to you.." and she has the idea to ignore that and still persist in what she is doing.

Sorry sister but why do you insult and warn others for stating their opinions? If you do not want responses then why not just write articles and publish them online? Even then how can you stop others discussing the articles amongst themselves? This is not an insult, its just what people like to do with something interesting they read.

You have said yourself that you are not a scholar and so what you write is only your opinion. Countries can be said to be collapsing at any time until they collapse. Just as you can say someone is dying at any time before they die. It is all subjective. Therefore why can't sister harb have her own opinion or outlook on life? There is always death and destruction but sometimes people look to the positives, see what they are blessed with, "smell the roses", and are thankful. Some people don't. It is up to the person.

Ramadan Mubarak to all.

 

[h-n]

If someone tries to derail a thread, or posts anything problematic; click on "Report Post", type in a quick reason for reporting their post, and leave it to a member of staff to deal with.

Your threads are useful, no one should use their efforts to derail them, they should instead take part in the discussion.

:wa:

Thank-you, I will do from now on.

Sister h-n

 

[sister herb]

Thank-you, I will do from now on.

Sister h-n

Roses!



Remember Roses.

 

[sister herb]

sisters maybe its time both of you smelt the roses and stop arguing. ramadhan is upon us

this is getting truly ridiculous now..

The general section is going to end up getting closed.. three sections have already been closed so far.

Ramadhan kareem!

Thanks sister to remind both of us.

 

[*Hana*]

I don't care if your Palestinian, or from Seirra Leone, Liberia etc. Still you have not mentioned whether you will be telling them to smell the roses. You got nothing to say, and then you tell me to live life as yours and then tell you to smell the roses, when I am not the one who is talkiing about the life of this world, how pathetic!!

You should care where she is from as, unlike you, she knows first hand the suffering of the Palestinian people. Most of us can only imagine as we sit in the comfort of our war-free armchairs typing into a computer protected by a screen. She has plenty to say, but because it doesn't agree with your post, you dismiss her as pathetic. If someone who has lived through and saw the suffering is able to take the time to appreciate the beauty Allah, swt, created by smelling the fragrance of a rose, surely you are not in a position to be critical??

I am already aware that even people from there, do not look towards the Day of Judgement as much, but about living in this world, see "Cruel, unkind and not looking towards the life of the next world". I am already aware that if a lot of those people if they had my life in the UK, they would be carrying on with life as normal, they would be happy with my home, my possessions, having many clothes, BUT I am happy to give up all that soon, which is what they and a lot of people dread to think about. Even I mentioned to people years ago, why should I care about them when they only think for the life of this world and if they had my life in the UK, they actually would be happy about living in this world, and not think much about what other people are going through around the world and incorporate that in their lives, why should I live in peace, when others are going through rubbish? I said my looking towards the Day of Judgement is not going to stop because of other people's preferences, obviously people look at what they want in this world, not what is good for them, and thank Allah there is not going to be any other state, the Palestinians, the Iraqis etc will not be discussing that as soon as these countries UK, US, etc have finished. As per the "Collapse of these countries" and the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" thread. So at least I am talking about what is going to happen and not to lie to people about talking about what people would prefer, and what are not attainable goals in this world and looking at building states is no good thing.

Who exactly gave you this knowledge about people from there not looking towards the Day of Judgement? Were you given the ability to see inside the hearts and minds of all these people? I'm sure many of our suffering brothers and sisters would love the opportunity to live and raise their children as you live and not have to worry about them being slaughtered on a daily basis. Allah, swt, decides what courses our lives take, not you or me. You say you are willing to give it all up, so why haven't you? You live as Allah, swt, determined...are you questioning that or do you not appreciate what He has ordained for you? Every Muslim is fully aware of the Day of Judgement and when that day comes, you will not be standing there saying "I told you so". You, as all of us will be answering for our own inequities.

I don't care if they want to build a nice state in Palestine, Sierra Leone, Liberia (were a lot of them are not even Muslims). They are going to have the countries destroyed and go to the Major signs of the Day of Judgement whether people like it or not.

All Muslims, regardless of the country where they reside, will face Judgement Day regardless of the nice area and blessings bestowed upon them. Alhamdulillah, Muslims live in every country in the world as it is meant to be.

I know that over 5.5 BILLION which is over that number do look at what they want in this world. They certainly want to carry on as life is normal, they dread to think that there countries are over. SO IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT YOU ON BRING THEM ALL ON YOUR SIDE, I AM NOT JOINING YOUR WAY OF LIVING. So I already don't care that I don't agree with over 5.5 billion people in this world, people don't need to take statistics, people actually looking towards the collapse of these countires, there are not many people who do that in this world. So I already understand as above that people don't care about what I am talking about.

Again, I have to ask how you obtained this information and your statistics? You have absolutely no way of knowing the hearts and minds of 5.5 billion people, let alone the people on this forum. Islam requires proof to back our words and to not speak without knowledge, so I would really appreciate the source you used to compile this information.

I have spent years and years looking towards the Day of Judgement. I have personally for real NEVER smelt a rose, and I NEVER will. Why should I continue to look at things in enjoyment when people are being held, tortured in prison etc?

Is is very sad for me to see that you do not appreciate all the beauty Allah, swt, has created for us. If we weren't meant to smell the beautiful fragrance of a flower, why would He have bothered to give each one a distinct odor? Allah, swt, created many things for us to enjoy and appreciate, perhaps as a reminder to thank Him for all things...good and bad. Only He knows the reasons why He ordained one thing for you and another for me and something different for our suffering brothers and sisters all over the world. It is not for you to make that determination sister. We can appreciate all His creations while praying for and doing what we can for the suffering people.

I have already said years and years ago, thank Allah that I don't have to continue to live as people put it "normal" whilst people in Palestine have problems etc. I am thankful that I am a live at the end of these countries going towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement. Which is were I will not be changing, and as stated in the other thread "I will not be talking to you" and so many others, you can only get away with saying with what you want if these countries are not finishing right now! There is no need to write wind up posts, when you cannot even refute the threads. So saying that you are Palesitian etc, does not mean that a person who is not has not shown empathy to the situation, and its obvious that if people had my life they wouldn't be doing it even more. Again, I already know that there are plenty of Palestianians if they had my life in the UK, they would also be saying just carry on with life as normal, regardless if people are suffering in Palestine etc. I will NEVER say that, NEVER have and NEVER will. I had every opportunity to say that, considering that I have more levels of comfort then other people do, but I NEVER will. I 100% believe that countries are finishing, and I thank Allah for that too!

I didn't read where anyone said that if you live in comfort you could not have empathy for those that do not. The sister made a very valid point by telling you she has FIRST hand knowledge about the situation where you do not. Perhaps it would be of benefit to you to visit Palestine and leave all your comforts at home so you too can obtain first hand knowledge, if you have not already done so. You simply can't force your opinions on other people or dismiss them as pathetic because they don't share your ideas.

You can't start a thread and scream it's been derailed because people are going to disagree or be upset by what you type. If you are going to speak the way you do, you have to accept the consequences, both good and bad. Some of your posts contain some valid points, but they get lost by your choice of communication. That's your choice. With freedom of speech comes responsibility and you have to accept that.

I know you believe you don't have to pray for patience, but as your sister in faith, I will pray for you as I want only the best of heart, health and mind for my Muslim family.

May you, and all Muslims, be blessed abundantly this Ramadan and may Allah, swt, accept our fasts. Ameen

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana