French Cities ban the Burkini
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Nah, why press issues when you can scapegoat?
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It gets better and better
French PM suggests naked breasts represent France better than a headscarf
The French prime minister has drawn criticism for suggesting that naked breasts are more representative of France than a headscarf, in the latest flare-up of the bitter political row over the burkini.
Manuel Valls, who clashed with France’s education minister over his support for mayors who have banned full-body swimsuits from beaches, gave a rousing speech on Monday night in which he hailed the bare breasts of Marianne, a national symbol of the French Republic.
“Marianne has a naked breast because she is feeding the people! She is not veiled, because she is free! That is the republic!” he thundered at a government rally.
The inference that bare breasts were a symbol of France while the Muslim headscarf was problematic sparked scorn from politicians and derision from historians and feminists.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/france-manuel-valls-breasts-headscarf-burkini-ban-row
It gets better and better
French PM suggests naked breasts represent France better than a headscarf
The French prime minister has drawn criticism for suggesting that naked breasts are more representative of France than a headscarf, in the latest flare-up of the bitter political row over the burkini.
Manuel Valls, who clashed with France’s education minister over his support for mayors who have banned full-body swimsuits from beaches, gave a rousing speech on Monday night in which he hailed the bare breasts of Marianne, a national symbol of the French Republic.
“Marianne has a naked breast because she is feeding the people! She is not veiled, because she is free! That is the republic!” he thundered at a government rally.
The inference that bare breasts were a symbol of France while the Muslim headscarf was problematic sparked scorn from politicians and derision from historians and feminists.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/france-manuel-valls-breasts-headscarf-burkini-ban-row
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Like I said: Perverts through and through.
Why disguise it behind "diplomacy". Just come out and say it.
They want the Muslim women to walk with their breasts open so that perverts like themselves can ogle. It has nothing to do with "freedom" or "liberation".
Why disguise it behind "diplomacy". Just come out and say it.
They want the Muslim women to walk with their breasts open so that perverts like themselves can ogle. It has nothing to do with "freedom" or "liberation".
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I'm beginning to suspect that the real reason for the bans is much more banal. These are almost all cities on the Riviera, famous for being a vacation spot for rich people from all around the world. Maybe they think Muslims swimming around in burkinis ruins the image they are trying to project to rich vacationers?
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Good news everybody, the burkini ban has been dealt a serious blow.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ear-worn-muslim-women-seriously-a7211396.html
France's highest court has set some legal precedent, clearly stating that the burkini ban is just insane. Now, for the time being, the mayors of a few cities are refusing to lift their bans. But that only delays the inevitable, worst case scenario is by next summer, this sort of ban will be absolutely impossible in all of France.
With that being said, I'd like to point out one other thing. As bad as this has been- and it has been quite absurd, and entirely out of line with secular liberalism as a whole- it could have been just a bit worse. For example, if the Parisians had made the argument that "our beaches are a bit like the Vatican, and you can't go into the Vatican and just do what you want, can you?" Or, "our beaches are just a bit like Mecca is for Muslims, you have rules for Mecca. Religious rules. We have rules for our beaches, and they target certain religions because....Mecca. The Vatican. Rules."
Yeah, so at least those arguments didn't exist as such. That would have been super weak. Back to the good news though, legal precedent has come down from the highest French courts and it is favorable to a rational conclusion! We're not quite all the way there yet, but this is very good news that all but assures a positive outcome in the medium term, if not sooner.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ear-worn-muslim-women-seriously-a7211396.html
France's highest court has set some legal precedent, clearly stating that the burkini ban is just insane. Now, for the time being, the mayors of a few cities are refusing to lift their bans. But that only delays the inevitable, worst case scenario is by next summer, this sort of ban will be absolutely impossible in all of France.
With that being said, I'd like to point out one other thing. As bad as this has been- and it has been quite absurd, and entirely out of line with secular liberalism as a whole- it could have been just a bit worse. For example, if the Parisians had made the argument that "our beaches are a bit like the Vatican, and you can't go into the Vatican and just do what you want, can you?" Or, "our beaches are just a bit like Mecca is for Muslims, you have rules for Mecca. Religious rules. We have rules for our beaches, and they target certain religions because....Mecca. The Vatican. Rules."
Yeah, so at least those arguments didn't exist as such. That would have been super weak. Back to the good news though, legal precedent has come down from the highest French courts and it is favorable to a rational conclusion! We're not quite all the way there yet, but this is very good news that all but assures a positive outcome in the medium term, if not sooner.
Salaam
Listening to the Radio when this subject came up. They managed to get some 'moderate' (female) Muslims to denounce the Saudis and the Iranians dress code and praise the wonders of liberalism. They then went on to describe Muslim women who 'shock horror' dress modestly and decently as 'Ultra conservative'.
Then one of them spoke about their 'feminist' interpretation of the faith.
mg:
Intriguing observing the 'good cop' approach from the secular liberal establishment. They are smart enough to realise that being honest and upfront with their intentions will not get them anywhere. Instead they manipulate, trying to create a cadre of 'moderate' Muslims to peddle their propaganda while criminalising those who don't follow the approved narrative and live according to the traditions of the faith.
The good old divide and conquer strategy.
Just to add note how the establishment are targeting Muslim women for conversion. Good strategy, polluting the faith with the disease of feminism would fundamentally undermine it. Just look at what happened to Christianity.
We live in most interesting times.
Listening to the Radio when this subject came up. They managed to get some 'moderate' (female) Muslims to denounce the Saudis and the Iranians dress code and praise the wonders of liberalism. They then went on to describe Muslim women who 'shock horror' dress modestly and decently as 'Ultra conservative'.
Then one of them spoke about their 'feminist' interpretation of the faith.
mg: Intriguing observing the 'good cop' approach from the secular liberal establishment. They are smart enough to realise that being honest and upfront with their intentions will not get them anywhere. Instead they manipulate, trying to create a cadre of 'moderate' Muslims to peddle their propaganda while criminalising those who don't follow the approved narrative and live according to the traditions of the faith.
The good old divide and conquer strategy.
Just to add note how the establishment are targeting Muslim women for conversion. Good strategy, polluting the faith with the disease of feminism would fundamentally undermine it. Just look at what happened to Christianity.
We live in most interesting times.
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Not just some french that hate Islam
More than half of the British public would support banning people from wearing a burka, a YouGov poll has found.
A total of 57% of those who were surveyed said they would support a ban on wearing the burka in the UK, while just 25% are against outlawing it.
The debate surrounding the Islamic dress has become particularly heated in the past few weeks after France instituted a ban on burkinis across more than 30 coastal towns.
A photo of a woman being forced to remove her burkini after being surrounded by four armed police on a Nice beach sparked international outrage.
A burka is a loose item of clothing covering the whole body from head to feet. The garment is predominantly worn by Muslim women.
The YouGov survey found that in the UK older people are more likely to support a burka ban, with 78% of those aged 65 years or older backing the ban, compared to just 34% of 18 to 24-year-olds.
Working class people are also more likely to support the ban than middle class people, with 61% compared to 54%.
Women are almost as likely to support a ban as men are, with 56% of females backing it compared to 58% of males.
The YouGov survey found that a burka ban is supported by 84% of all 2015 Ukip voters and 66% of Conservatives.
A total of 48% of Labour voters said they would support a ban, followed by the Liberal Democrats, with just 42% backing the proposal.
Yet just 37% of Labour voters and 30% of Lib Dem supporters said they would oppose the ban.
YouGov surveyed 1,668 British adults.
The results revealed that there were only two demographics that are more likely to oppose a ban than support it. These are 18 to 24-year-olds and Remain voters.
Yet even then the numbers are relatively close – Remain voters are net opposed to the ban by just 3%, whilst 18 to 24-year-olds are 6% net opposed to the ban.
The burkini debate in France has exposed cultural tensions within the country.
Last week France’s high court suspended the controversial burkini ban, yet several French mayors have reportedly kept the bans in place.
Nicholas Sarkozy, who instituted a ban on burkas and niqabs while he was president, said he would change the French constitution to ban burkinis should he be re-elected next year.
YouGov found that British people also in favour of banning burkinis, although less strongly than burkas.
The survey found that 46% of people would support a burkini ban and 30% would oppose one.
Compared to other countries, YouGov found that 62% of people in Germany supported a ban and 27% opposed it.
In the US a ban is strongly opposed, with 59% of people opposing the ban and just 27% backing it.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...RJE?li=BBoPWjQ
More than half of the British public would support banning people from wearing a burka, a YouGov poll has found.
A total of 57% of those who were surveyed said they would support a ban on wearing the burka in the UK, while just 25% are against outlawing it.
The debate surrounding the Islamic dress has become particularly heated in the past few weeks after France instituted a ban on burkinis across more than 30 coastal towns.
A photo of a woman being forced to remove her burkini after being surrounded by four armed police on a Nice beach sparked international outrage.
A burka is a loose item of clothing covering the whole body from head to feet. The garment is predominantly worn by Muslim women.
The YouGov survey found that in the UK older people are more likely to support a burka ban, with 78% of those aged 65 years or older backing the ban, compared to just 34% of 18 to 24-year-olds.
Working class people are also more likely to support the ban than middle class people, with 61% compared to 54%.
Women are almost as likely to support a ban as men are, with 56% of females backing it compared to 58% of males.
The YouGov survey found that a burka ban is supported by 84% of all 2015 Ukip voters and 66% of Conservatives.
A total of 48% of Labour voters said they would support a ban, followed by the Liberal Democrats, with just 42% backing the proposal.
Yet just 37% of Labour voters and 30% of Lib Dem supporters said they would oppose the ban.
YouGov surveyed 1,668 British adults.
The results revealed that there were only two demographics that are more likely to oppose a ban than support it. These are 18 to 24-year-olds and Remain voters.
Yet even then the numbers are relatively close – Remain voters are net opposed to the ban by just 3%, whilst 18 to 24-year-olds are 6% net opposed to the ban.
The burkini debate in France has exposed cultural tensions within the country.
Last week France’s high court suspended the controversial burkini ban, yet several French mayors have reportedly kept the bans in place.
Nicholas Sarkozy, who instituted a ban on burkas and niqabs while he was president, said he would change the French constitution to ban burkinis should he be re-elected next year.
YouGov found that British people also in favour of banning burkinis, although less strongly than burkas.
The survey found that 46% of people would support a burkini ban and 30% would oppose one.
Compared to other countries, YouGov found that 62% of people in Germany supported a ban and 27% opposed it.
In the US a ban is strongly opposed, with 59% of people opposing the ban and just 27% backing it.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...RJE?li=BBoPWjQ
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What happened?
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Just describing how my mind felt when I read startingarabic's post xP
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Since his statement is not sailing under the flag of morality, provability, or testability, it can only be termed an ideological conjecture, which is inherently dumb. So, what we have here is a violent idiot who wants to impose his stupidity onto others. All you need to do, is to keep repeating it. Sooner or later, your endless complaints will end up triggering the inevitable! ;-)
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That quote is just, contradictory. Makes no sense. IN fact, Muslims are the most hygenic people on the face of this Earth. Modesty does not equal being unhygenic. Modesty and hygiene have no relation with each other.
I see now, the leaders are becoming ignorants and retarded... It is in a hadith, ignorant will be trusted as leaders, while the truthful with knowledgable, will be frowned and untrusted.
Then again, what do you expect from someone who doesn't think, and use his brain?
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Asalaam alykum Brother(s)/Sister(s), i know you are all here posting to claim about Islamic women's rights.
Did you know that a woman should not take her husband's name? Before discussing problems outside the house. Let us first correct problems inside the house.
Find out in the article below why a woman should not take her husband's name (you can download the pdf at the end of the article):
http://aljumaareminder.com/reminder...me-date-1st-may-2015-11th-or-12th-rajab-1436/
Did you know that a woman should not take her husband's name? Before discussing problems outside the house. Let us first correct problems inside the house.
Find out in the article below why a woman should not take her husband's name (you can download the pdf at the end of the article):
http://aljumaareminder.com/reminder...me-date-1st-may-2015-11th-or-12th-rajab-1436/
They are the components of Shaytaans plan.....