Gay Mosque To Open In Paris

[ba51th]

what I mean brother hulk, as far as my knowledge about Islam, people that kill innocent will get death penalty, and people that practice homosexual act will get death penalty as well, in my thought both of them are wrong, but why some people said it's better be a muslim gay rather than be kafir? so we muslim just let other muslim in our community practice homosexual without punishment?

 

[Hulk]

Sorry bro I'm not sure I get what you're saying. It's better to be muslim than a kaffir in any case because if you're muslim you can repent, and even in the hereafter you might still be saved if you're among those who hold to tauheed(Oneness of God).

PS: Don't take the reasons I state as THE reasons as it's merely from my own understanding. Perhaps the best reason is because it means you didn't reject what you know to be true.

 

[Endymion]

107. And as for those who put up a mosque by way of harming and disbelief, and to disunite the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ) aforetime, they will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good. Allah bears witness that they are certainly liars.

9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)

 

[جوري]

107. And as for those who put up a mosque by way of harming and disbelief, and to disunite the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ) aforetime, they will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good. Allah bears witness that they are certainly liars.

9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)

Sob7an Allah talk about transcendence of the noble Quran.. I have been memorizing suret at'tawbah for a long time now and still some verses it is always like hearing them for the first time!

 

[Endymion]

it is always like hearing them for the first time!

Yup,the loveliest things are that it never gets old and it connects you no matter which time you are in.I also wish to memorize the Quran one day in sha Allah :statisfie

 

[glo]

The problem with a lot of these "gay mosques" is that they seem to promote the idea that being involved in homosexual activity is accepted in Islam and isn't crossing any boundaries. I'm not sure if they explicitly do this though, since I'm not too familiar with any of them or any gay Muslims. I think it's prudent to also see this as sort of a failure on our part, since we (the religious majority) have vilified the idea of homosexuality so much that people who consider themselves gay feel completely isolated and unwelcome.

That is a very thoughtful comment, Tyrion.

I was wondering along the same lines. Perhaps it is the mainstream believers (and I mean Christians here as much as Muslims) who make feel homosexual people unwelcome or ostracized or excluded - and thereby push them into looking for more inclusive groups ... or eventually go and start their own.

If homosexual people felt comfortable and welcomed in their own faith communities, they would arguably not feel the need to start a gay-friendly mosque/church ... :hmm:

This BBC article contains a video interview with Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed - the guy who started the mosque in Paris.

 

[truthseeker63]

You can not be Gay and Muslim both at the sametime it is either one or the other it's a choice pick one.

 

[sister herb]

I am not sure about this but what if someone knows he/she is a gay but doesn´t act as gay (as having sex with same gender), can´t he/she be a muslim? If gay says shahada, he becomes muslim, right? But what if he still feels he is gay... or do you think that saying shahada change him heterosexual in his mind?

^o)

 

[UmmuShaheed]

Being gay is an enormous sin, whats worse is being gay and saying its not Haraam, that god created people that way. Subhanallah.
But about being Muslim and Gay, I personally dont believe those two words can coexist.
Allah Knows best.
Asalamu Alaikum.

 

[sister herb]

Yes, thats good to remember:

Allah knows the best.

 

[Insaanah]

What is going on here, is an attempt to change Islam.

The founder of the mosque himself, is "married" to a gay Muslim man, and will perform same sex "nikah" (when marriage in Islam is between a man and woman only):

The new centre is run by Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed, a gay Islamic scholar, married to a gay man

Mr Zahed's South African gay husband has encountered similar problems.

Zahed's mosque will honor some Islamic traditions..... and the Muslim marriage contract (Nikah) to bless same-sex marriage

And did anyone read this utter obscenity about our beloved Prophet :saws: in the link given by the OP?

Zahed believes, if the Prophet Mohamad was alive today, he would marry gay couples.

and their next step, in his own words, is to have mixed congregations where men and women pray next to each other, and then no doubt after that, will be a female imam:

He is also trying to integrate the sexes in Islam. He wants men and women to be able to pray together, not just "gay and straight".

Zahed will be one of three prayer leaders, along with a female French convert to Islam

We are missing the bigger picture, and main point here, and instead are getting drawn into a debate about homosexuality.

This isn't about being inclusive or not, nor is it even actually about homosexuality, but in the wider picture, an overt attempt to change Islam according to ones whims and desires, and then still claim to be Muslim and still claim to be unwelcome and to be victimised.

That is the bottom line, and there isn't much else to say than may Allah guide them.

I really hope that in the light of the obscenity (in red) said about our beloved Prophet :saws:, out of respect for our nabi and beloved prophet :saws: that we let this thread die a lonely death right now.

Some quotes from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20547335

 

[sister herb]

What about this (relating to idea as being gay but not act as gay)?

On the authority of Ibn Abbas that the messenger of Allah, among the sayings he relates from his Lord is :

"Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones." Then he explained it [by saying that] :" He who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed."

Related by Bukhari and Muslim in their two salihs

 

[GuestFellow]

A happy mosque? =)

Moving on, many Muslims do and preach whatever they want. This is one of them.

 

[truthseeker63]

I would think if a gay says Shahada he or she would than change and stop being gay and become ex gay former gay gays can repent or change. There are ex gays who marry the other sex and have children and a family and live a normal life. Would a ex or former or homosexual who wants to reform and change be allowed to say shahada and become a Muslim Im guessing it is possible but Im not sure are ex drunks or people who used have sex outside of marriage allowed to become Muslims I don't know ? If a non Muslim used to be gay in the past and changes and wants to be a muslim and straight and normal Im sure they could change correct ? Also in Western Society there are many ex gays who are straight anyone aware of this thank you ?

Islam promotes the beauty of the creation of the male-female pair, which is the basis for humanity's growth. Homosexual relationships go against the natural order and harm both the individuals involved and society at large. They have been forbidden by the Creator, as detailed in both the Qur'an and the Bible.


Nowadays, however, there is a strong
agenda (especially in the West) to promote same-sex relationships as being equal
to inter-sex ones in terms of health and morality. Television programmes, for
example, are becoming increasingly 'liberal', exposing the public to more
explicit images as well as messages. As Muslims, we decry this degeneration,
which only demonstrates the lack of moral grounding our society
has.


http://straightway.sinfree.net/

 

[Pygoscelis]

If homosexual people felt comfortable and welcomed in their own faith communities, they would arguably not feel the need to start a gay-friendly mosque/church ... :hmm:

I doubt that is possible so long as a central point of the religion continues to be to call them abominations. It would be like a black man joining the KKK wouldn't it?

 

[GuestFellow]

What is going on here, is an attempt to change Islam.

:wa:

Some really believe Islam accepts homosexual sex and use some verses to support their thinking. There needs to be an argument that is well constructed to inform them that homosexuality is not allowed in Islam.

 

[truthseeker63]

I don't hate Homosexuals/Gays/Sodomites I just detest the evil character shown by the wicked thing they are constantly doing.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I don't hate Homosexuals/Gays/Sodomites I just detest the evil character shown by the wicked thing they are constantly doing.

I think they take breaks for refreshments and interior decorating. ;D

 

[GuestFellow]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Homosexuali...ABN0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354409080&sr=8-1

^ Has anyone read this book?

 

[truthseeker63]

Homosexuality is wrong in Islam end of story anyone claiming Islam allows Homosexuality just has a political agenda like a liberal/progressive/left wing agenda no Muslim I have ever met or known would say Homosexuality is accepted in Islam.