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i signed it infront of my frnd so she signed it too anyways i'll mail the link to everyone i know inshaAllah they'll sign it.
 
Woodrow said:
Yes they are, and they will throw rocks when they run out of rockets. It may not be the most helpful thing for Gaza, but when people are shooting at you, you do tend to shoot back.

I agree that Hamas did help cause this invasion of Gaza, but the oppression that the Palestinians are living under created desperate people and desperate people will try to save themselves.

Gaza was/is a prison camp. The residents constantly lived in fear of having their water and electricity turned off. Medicine was scarce and supplies were constantly blocked in Israel. The residents could not leave and were prisoners in a small section of their own land.

Perhaps turning to Hamas was not the best choice, but it was the only choice the people of Gaza had. People will fight if they have reason to believe their homeland is in danger.
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when people are shooting at you, you do tend to shoot back
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My point is that they (Hamas) is not shooting back at those that are shooting at them. They are, as they always have, are shooting into totally civilian, non combatants, non military areas. And they were shooting into those areas when they weren't being shot at.
 
Only 2431 signatures???? we need to get that petition to everyone. I'll post it up on my facebook and email it round InshAllah
 
north_malaysian said:
Even Israelis are against the war (and they're like 0.01% of the population though)...
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Actually, if the stats on CNN are to be accepted, 85% of Israeli citizens support the attacks against Gaza, while 42% support the ground invasion.
 
Wilma_Hum said:
My point is that they (Hamas) is not shooting back at those that are shooting at them. They are, as they always have, are shooting into totally civilian, non combatants, non military areas. And they were shooting into those areas when they weren't being shot at.
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I will not deny that. It is true.

But like all coins there are two sides to it. In Israel you can not separate Military/Civilian All Israelis are soldiers. Perhaps not willing. But it is impossible for a Palestinian to see an Israeli as not being a soldier.

The Israelis see the Palestinians with the same perspective, Palestinian=hamas soldier.

Now with that attitude and the pressure on Gaza for the past 50+ years, the Palestinians are like trapped prisoners from the moment they are born. We now have an entire generation of Palestinians who have lived their entire life trapped in Gaza.

The recent ancestors of the modern day Israeli came mostly from Europe and Russia. They did not speak Hebrew or Arabic when they came in 1947, they were Poles, Germans and Russians. They are not of a semitic race, they are slavic and teutonic. They had no right to Palestine. It was an invasion.

Add to that the fact that many Israelis now profess to be atheists and the result is built up hatred for 62 years.

Jewish atheism is practiced by atheists who are ethnically Jewish and members of the Jewish people. Because Jewishness encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not necessarily imply any kind of contradiction. Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept as fully Jewish an atheist with a Jewish mother.[1]
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Jewish atheism and organized Jewish life

There is a long tradition of atheistic and secular Jewish organizations, from the Jewish socialist Bund in early twentieth-century Poland to the modern Society for Humanistic Judaism in the United States.[2] Many Jewish atheists feel comfortable within any of the four major Jewish denominations (Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, and Reconstructionist). This presents less of a contradiction than might first seem apparent given Judaism's emphasis on practice over belief, with even mainstream guides to Judaism suggesting that belief in God is not a necessary prerequisite to Jewish observance.[3] However, although all four branches of Judaism count atheists among their members, the presence of entire congregations espousing atheism remains problematic outside of the Society for Humanistic Judaism. The Reform movement, for example, has rejected efforts at affiliation by atheistic temples.[4]

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Jew
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Add to this the fact that Israel is now admittedly 15 to 30% Athiest

Israel 6,199,000 15 - 37% 929,850 - 2,293,630

Source:http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
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The Israelis expressed their hatred of Palestinians by forcing them into ghettos and small isolated ares, denied them jobs and destroyed their farmland. The Palestinians expressed their hatred by throwing rocks and graduating up to crude rockets.

None of this is right. But, it is difficult to blame the Palestinians.

Can you blame Chief Sitting Bull and the Lakota Sioux for the massacre of Custer and the entire 9th cavalry at "Little Bighorn? Can you blame the Native Americans for fighting the white settlers and only ending when they could no longer fight. (Although some of my Lakota friends, still think they can continue fighting the white invaders)

Who is right and who is wrong in Israel/Palestine will depend on from which side of the fence you look. From the Palestinian perspective Israelis are invaders that even drove out the Arab Jews and Arab Christians along with occupying Arab land.

The Evangelical Christian view seems to be that the Jews are the rightful owners of the land. However, if I recall the Bible states their will be no Jewish homeland until the rebuilding of the temple. So does this mean the Bible is wrong or does it mean these Israeli invaders are not Jews?

Because of a stupid decision in 1947 we now have two ideologically opposed groups each who believes they have the right to the land and the other is evil.

The solution? Don't ask me, I am not a Henry Kissinger wannabe.
 
Wilma_Hum said:
My point is that they (Hamas) is not shooting back at those that are shooting at them. They are, as they always have, are shooting into totally civilian, non combatants, non military areas. And they were shooting into those areas when they weren't being shot at.
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I'm not saying that I approved the killings of innocent Israelis.... but we must understand the people of Gaza (including Hamas members)... many of their loved ones are dead, no property, no money, no food, no medication, no life, no hope, no dreams, no anything......

it's not easy to be a suicide bomber unless if you have nothing to lose.... and by creating the largest open air prison in the world... Israel is breeding this kind of people....
 
Woodrow said:
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But like all coins there are two sides to it.
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The solution? Don't ask me, I am not a Henry Kissinger wannabe.
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Thank you. Two sides. That is my point. Actually I'm anti-Israel, but that doesn't make me pro shooting rockets at civilian centers.
Reading the posts on the many threads leaves me with the opinion that most only see one side. I don't see any "Good Guys" on either side.

And for a solution, I don't have one either. I just know violence isn't it.
 
north_malaysian said:
I'm not saying that I approved the killings of innocent Israelis.... but we must understand the people of Gaza (including Hamas members)... many of their loved ones are dead, no property, no money, no food, no medication, no life, no hope, no dreams, no anything......

it's not easy to be a suicide bomber unless if you have nothing to lose.... and by creating the largest open air prison in the world... Israel is breeding this kind of people....
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I totally agree. As I said to Woodrow, I am anti-Israel, but endless rockets will only make things worse for all. The problem is not what has happened the last two weeks. The problem is what has happened over the last 60+ years.

Violence is not the answer, it is the problem.
 
right now im seriously wondering if the muslims will ever regain power again.

Will we ever have the capacity to stand up for our brothers?

we number in the billions yet zilch

are muslims doomed to getting massacred until Mahdi comes?
 
Fighting4Iman said:
right now im seriously wondering if the muslims will ever regain power again.

Will we ever have the capacity to stand up for our brothers?

we number in the billions yet zilch

are muslims doomed to getting massacred until Mahdi comes?
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He (Imam Mehadi) will come at a time when the world is at its worst. Subhanallah, worst? How much more worse.imsad
 
Wilma_Hum said:
Yes. Do you find that justifies what Hamas does?
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Peace...

Yes... Palestinians have been KICKED out of their lands, into a very small section of the land. Hamas do not have control over their borders. They are prisoned in their own land. The blockade by the Israelli Terrorists, have left Hamas to look after 1.5 million. The Gaza strip live on the humanitarian aid and which Israelli Terrorist have FULL CONTROL over. Palestinians can either die of starvation and silence or fight and speak up.

Hamas throws ineffective hand-made rockets. Israelli Terrorists are supplied with worlds best armoury.

How many UN international war rules have each side commited?

P.s Rules at this moment is only defined by the Israel Terrorist, they decide whats legal or not.
Any chance of WAR CRIMES against Israel?

Peace...
 
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Najm said:

Peace...

Yes... Palestinians have been KICKED out of their lands, into a very small section of the land. Hamas do not have control over their borders. They are prisoned in their own land. The blockade by the Israelli Terrorists, have left Hamas to look after 1.5 million. The Gaza strip live on the humanitarian aid and which Israelli Terrorist have FULL CONTROL over. Palestinians can either die of starvation and silence or fight and speak up.

Hamas throws ineffective hand-made rockets. Israelli Terrorists are supplied with worlds best armoury.

How many UN international war rules have each side commited?

P.s Rules at this moment is only defined by the Israel Terrorist, they decide whats legal or not.
Any chance of WAR CRIMES against Israel?

Peace...
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You singed off with "Peace" but it is clear that is not your primary objective.

That what I see is the problem. Far too many have victory as there first priority.

As I have said, I don't have a solution but violence will just bring us 60 more years of the same.

I want Peace
Wilma
 
Wilma_Hum said:
As I have said, I don't have a solution but violence will just bring us 60 more years of the same.

I want Peace
Wilma
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The World Council of Churches has just appealed to Christians everywhere to pray for peace and to advocate with their governments for a just peace in Israel and Palestine.

Rev Samuel Kobia [the WWC general secretary] reiterated the call "for an end to hostilities and a new commitment to a negotiated settlement that will assure a just and lasting peace to both Palestinians and Israelis".

Such a peace "must reinstate the ceasefire on both sides of the border and speed the lifting of Israel's blockade on Gaza," as well as "include respect by all authorities for international law as it applies to human rights, humanitarian aid and protection of civilians in conflict zones"
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http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/8282
 
right now im seriously wondering if the muslims will ever regain power again.

Will we ever have the capacity to stand up for our brothers?

we number in the billions yet zilch

are muslims doomed to getting massacred until Mahdi comes?
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Muslims are only protesting...they are not putting enough pressure on their governments to help the palestinians...I am sure that many of them, if given the chance, to fight Israel they won't do it...all they can do is protest and say: we support the palestinians.
Yeah that helps a lot!!!
 

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