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Lara said:
Muslims are only protesting...they are not putting enough pressure on their governments to help the palestinians...I am sure that many of them, if given the chance, to fight Israel they won't do it...all they can do is protest and say: we support the palestinians.
Yeah that helps a lot!!!
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Is protesting not a way of putting pressure on the govt.?
 
Lara said:
Muslims are only protesting...they are not putting enough pressure on their governments to help the palestinians...I am sure that many of them, if given the chance, to fight Israel they won't do it...all they can do is protest and say: we support the palestinians.
Yeah that helps a lot!!!
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Oh yea and please don't make blind assumptions...:rolleyes:
 
Kai85 said:
Is protesting not a way of putting pressure on the govt.?
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2 million people marched or protested in the UK against the Iraq War. The war went ahead.

Please list me every single protest or march which has successfully stopped the issue at hand e.g. going to war, putting sanctions on people etc. There have been LOADS of protests but, from what I understand, very little results.
 
2 million people marched or protested in the UK against the Iraq War. The war went ahead.

Please list me every single protest or march which has successfully stopped the issue at hand e.g. going to war, putting sanctions on people etc. There have been LOADS of protests but, from what I understand, very little results.
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Exactly...
 
S1aveofA11ah said:
2 million people marched or protested in the UK against the Iraq War. The war went ahead.

Please list me every single protest or march which has successfully stopped the issue at hand e.g. going to war, putting sanctions on people etc. There have been LOADS of protests but, from what I understand, very little results.
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They worked in getting us out of Viet-Nam. Our government, especially our president Lyndon Baines Johnson had no desire for us to pull out. The protesters met a lot of opposition. But, it became apparent that the American people would not re-elect a government that kept the war going.

to be honest I hated the protesters at that time. I hated how the protesters at home kept my hands tied as I flew my missions. There were so many areas I was forbidden to engage in combat with the North Vietnamese and so many targets we were forbidden to hit.

But, after 40 years I finally got to agree with the protesters. The protests did change public opinion and ended the war in Viet-Nam
 
"2 million people marched or protested in the UK against the Iraq War. The war went ahead."

So in other words, the govts. will do whatever it is they want regardless. So then whats the point of 'putting pressure' on them??

As we are all here typing on this forum, tell me what you 2 have done then? If nothing, what do you propose we do? Lots of people can sit here and say what they think isn't enough or what they think is a waste when they aren't doing anything themselves.
 
As we are all here typing on this forum, tell me what you 2 have done then? If nothing, what do you propose we do? Lots of people can sit here and say what they think isn't enough or what they think is a waste when they aren't doing anything themselves.
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My country has fought wars against Israel, the last one was in 2006 and I have a strong feeling that the next will be this year ...many people here donate money to the resistance to buy and make weapons...some fight, some work as paramedics, others take care of the refugees...we know what the people of Gaza are going through because our country's been through the same... we can't give arms to the resistance in Gaza ...we have to be prepared here...what is happening to them can happen to us at any time...

I can give an example of what people can do...In Egypt for example, they can go on strikes, army officers can take a stand and refuse to keep the Rafah crossing closed...
The syrians for example, can do the same...and force their government (that was negociating with israel) to fight...the syrians only watch and say that armed resistance is the only solution: not a single bullet has been fired at Israel from syria in years! They didn't do anything in July 2006 and won't do anything now...

Why? Because the people aren't doing anything about it...why do they keep voting for the same politicians when they know that they won't do anything to defend arab territories from Israeli attacks?
 
Kai85 said:
"2 million people marched or protested in the UK against the Iraq War. The war went ahead."

So in other words, the govts. will do whatever it is they want regardless. So then whats the point of 'putting pressure' on them??

As we are all here typing on this forum, tell me what you 2 have done then? If nothing, what do you propose we do? Lots of people can sit here and say what they think isn't enough or what they think is a waste when they aren't doing anything themselves.
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Hold on!. I said:

Please list me every single protest or march which has successfully stopped the issue at hand e.g. going to war, putting sanctions on people etc. There have been LOADS of protests but, from what I understand, very little results.

That was my challenge which you have not answered but please don't confuse matters by saying: So then whats the point of 'putting pressure' on them??. I am all for applying the right pressures.

That is exactly my point - DO protests actually put any pressures on the governments - my challenge which you have not clarified. Maybe there are other better ways e.g. writing to an MP etc. However, from my experience, this is how I have seen protests:

(1) Lots of people in crowds - usually very loud, chanting slogans, holding signs.

(2) Often some extremists/extremist views/actions amongst them which often the Media take (along with Islamaphobics) and pump out as "This is Islam" e.g. slogans of "Death to U.S.A" - which is wrong.

(3) Police in large numbers - sometimes scuffles or arrests.

So rather than rush to judge what I (or others) have done - which is none of your business anyway as the believer should keep his/her good deeds for Allah alone i.e. secret - maybe you need to check on whether what you are doing (or suggesting to others to do) is right or not?.

As I said I've never in the history of rallies ever seen one rally which stopped a war etc.

Boycotts?. Now your talking Kai85!. Look at the Danish butter boycott and the Cartoons affair. It was a victory IMHO. In fact, even after the boycott was over the Dutch MP Greet(?) Wilders (?) (who caused troubles with his film) had the Dutch government warning about further boycotting.
 
Listen I'm not trying to make this a contest for who is donating the most or who makes more Du'as than the other. By simply stating we aren't doing enough, isn't helping. I don't think protests give Islam a bad name but, when people do riots and cause havoc throughout the city is what gives us the bad name. I don't know the history of protesting so I can't give you an answer.

Lara, you are talking about things that are way out of my hands... People being brought to office in other countries, military people going on strike, etc. Those have nothing to do with what I can do here or what anyone else in this country can do.
 
Eventually something has to be done, otherwise Israel will keep killing people and getting away with it: this isn't the 1st time and it will not be the last, Lebanon will be next...
This has been going on since before 1948, protests have done nothing... When protests aren't that effective shouldn't people think of other ways to help?
Muslims should be more concerned about Palestine and Jerusalem than they should be about what people might think of Islam if they do more than protesting...
What solutions do you have?
 
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Kai85 said:
Listen I'm not trying to make this a contest for who is donating the most or who makes more Du'as than the other. By simply stating we aren't doing enough, isn't helping. I don't think protests give Islam a bad name but, when people do riots and cause havoc throughout the city is what gives us the bad name. I don't know the history of protesting so I can't give you an answer.
Lara, you are talking about things that are way out of my hands... People being brought to office in other countries, military people going on strike, etc. Those have nothing to do with what I can do here or what anyone else in this country can do.
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Well that is exactly my point to ALL Muslims. One needs to know first how successful the methods are BEFORE using them otherwise its wasted effort. Each Muslim can make his/her effort. The disabled living in the US can only make du'a. The wealthy can donate. Etc.
 
Wallah I'm on the same side as you guys but I personally don't know what else there is to do. I think people should do whatever is in their ability, I know I do and thats why when I see posts saying what isn't enough frustrates me. Everyday I think about this and what more I can do, believe me. I would love to be a part of the Islamic movement groups over seas but I can't just blink my eyes and have it happen.
 
Kai85 said:
As we are all here typing on this forum, tell me what you 2 have done then? If nothing, what do you propose we do? Lots of people can sit here and say what they think isn't enough or what they think is a waste when they aren't doing anything themselves.
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If I am one of the 2 you are speaking about:

I write to my congressmen and seanators and let them know I am not happy with their support of Israel.

I travel over 1000 miles a week throughout Minnesota and the Dakotas, speaking to people about Islam and about Gaza.

I post on several forums and try to keep the issue of Gaza alive, such as by posting on this thread to keep it on the front page for all to see.

I do my best to spread public awareness. I believe truth and knowledge are the best weapons to defeat oppression.
 
I really don't have any answers other than to write our congressmen, and senators. It probably won't work, but taking up arms won't solve anything. Protests bring about attention, but we need action. We need support from countries who are willing to stand up and say enough is enough.
 
The State of Penang's Islamic Religious Council ordered all mosques in the state to perform Qunoot Nazilah and Salah Hajat for the people of Gaza today....

I dont know about other states but for sure there would be anti-Israel protests nationwide and a larger one would be organised tomorrow...
 
JeffX said:
I really don't have any answers other than to write our congressmen, and senators. It probably won't work, but taking up arms won't solve anything. Protests bring about attention, but we need action. We need support from countries who are willing to stand up and say enough is enough.
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UN should sack Israel from its UN membership as they atacked UN school and trucks...
 
north_malaysian said:
UN should sack Israel from its UN membership as they atacked UN school and trucks...
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No they can't do it, U.S will Veto the thought of any such decisions.

I am appalled at the way U.S have been acting in this war, they have clearly taken the side of Israel without flinching for the suffering in Palestine.

If they thought 9/11 was bad, i think after this they would have been a bigger target on themselves.

Saying that, i don't support any decision to use force against them, coz that would mean killing innocent woman and children and we would not be any different from the Israelis.
 

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