Government ready for Wilders' film fall-out

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krypton6 said:
If this turns out anti-islamic I dont care, but if he lies about Islam in this film, people should not be suprised if he ends up being killed, I hope he does if so..
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So if he produces a savagely biting, but honest portrayal of Islam, which causes non-Muslims to recoil in fear...that's OK...but if he says Muslims are terrible baseball players because of their religion.....then he is to be killed???????

^o)
 
krypton6 said:
If this turns out anti-islamic I dont care, but if he lies about Islam in this film, people should not be suprised if he ends up being killed, I hope he does if so..
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this is really short sighted and stupid. what will his death cause except a big increase in support for right wing parties across europe? will it end bigotry against muslims? no - it will feed it.
please think, man!
 
snakelegs said:
this is really short sighted and stupid. what will his death cause except a big increase in support for right wing parties across europe? will it end bigotry against muslims? no - it will feed it.
please think, man!
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Not to mention ending any talk about Dutch withdrawal from the Afghan mission.
 
He can have his opinion about muslims and I dont care if he hates Islam, but when he starts spreading lies about Islam, he is passing the line.

Why should he live? He asked for death, let him get it, afterall he did ask for it and I doubt that anyone would miss him.

But I can see that anger is what he wants, and muslims getting mad about it and doing vice verca is exactly what he wants for that in his opinion proves his point, but its very hard to just shut your mouth when some one lies about your religion.

If muslims ignore this film, he wont just give up, he will make a new that is even more insulting and if that one is ignored then he will make a new and at some point or another we will have to do something about it if he keeps insulting our religion and keeps lying about it.
 
krypton6 said:
He can have his opinion about muslims and I dont care if he hates Islam, but when he starts spreading lies about Islam, he is passing the line.

Why should he live? He asked for death, let him get it, afterall he did ask for it and I doubt that anyone would miss him.

But I can see that anger is what he wants, and muslims getting mad about it and doing vice verca is exactly what he wants for that in his opinion proves his point, but its very hard to just shut your mouth when some one lies about your religion.

If muslims ignore this film, he wont just give up, he will make a new that is even more insulting and if that one is ignored then he will make a new and at some point or another we will have to do something about it if he keeps insulting our religion and keeps lying about it.
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Which would make his case even stronger...
 
BTW...I just realized Geert reminds me of one of those guys from that Lion-tamer act Siegfried and Roy. I hope things turn out better for him.
 
Keltoi said:
Which would make his case even stronger...
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As far as I know his bs is primary about muslims being the so called "terrorists" and threats to mankind, muslims being those who kill civilians every day.

Killing him is killing a person that diserves it, he is not innocent! It doesn't proove his point, he just doesn't seem to be capeable of figuring that out.
 
krypton6 said:
He can have his opinion about muslims and I dont care if he hates Islam, but when he starts spreading lies about Islam, he is passing the line.

Why should he live? He asked for death, let him get it, afterall he did ask for it and I doubt that anyone would miss him.

But I can see that anger is what he wants, and muslims getting mad about it and doing vice verca is exactly what he wants for that in his opinion proves his point, but its very hard to just shut your mouth when some one lies about your religion.

If muslims ignore this film, he wont just give up, he will make a new that is even more insulting and if that one is ignored then he will make a new and at some point or another we will have to do something about it if he keeps insulting our religion and keeps lying about it.
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it may be hard to shut your mouth, but the alternative is to fall in to the trap. they are hoping to provoke muslims - why else do stuff like this?
if muslims ignore it, i doubt if he will keep making films. it will be a big disappointment for the right wing politicians.
someone lying about islam has no power to harm islam - islam's been around for 14 centuries and it's not going anywhere just because some one tells lies about it.
use your head - don't take the bait.
 
Let me see, muslims should be free to take verses from the Bible and claim it is a violent book, that it fortells Mohammad etc, whereas Geert can't take verses from the Quran and say it is a violent book?
 
When have any muslim claimed the Bible to be a violent book? Some might just hate christians, but I have never heard of anyone lying about the Bible and claiming it to be violent.

Geert is lying about the Quran, we have never lied about the Bible, and we have for shure never made a whole movie about it being violent.
 
krypton6 said:
When have any muslim claimed the Bible to be a violent book? Some might just hate christians, but I have never heard of anyone lying about the Bible and claiming it to be violent.

Geert is lying about the Quran, we have never lied about the Bible, and we have for shure never made a whole movie about it being violent.
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Geert is not lying about the Quran. He is merely making a possible interpretation into a movie. Salman Rushdie made it into a book.
Muslims are constanlty making movies about different non-christian interpreations of the Bible, ranging from denial of Jesus's divinity to the predictions of Muhammad, from the oppression of women to violence.
I've noticed you like youtube - there are plenty of videos there coming from muslims who claim the Bible is a violent book (which I think it is). Do you want those muslims dead as well?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Muslims are constanlty making movies about different non-christian interpreations of the Bible, ranging from denial of Jesus's divinity to the predictions of Muhammad, from the oppression of women to violence.
I've noticed you like youtube - there are plenty of videos there coming from muslims who claim the Bible is a violent book (which I think it is). Do you want those muslims dead as well?
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Geert is lying about the Quran, he freely takes words from each page and makes it into a lie and then claim that its the quran.

I wouldn't call making movies about non christians interpreations of the Bible, for insulting, and where are these movies?

Those muslims make those videos as a respond to the people who claim the quran to be a book of evil. They dont claim that the Bible is evil, they claim christians to be evil, and thats a whole another thing!

I dont want those muslims dead, because I have yet not heard of them lying about the Bible.
 
krypton6 said:
Geert is lying about the Quran, he freely takes words from each page and makes it into a lie and then claim that its the quran.

I wouldn't call making movies about non christians interpreations of the Bible, for insulting, and where are these movies?

Those muslims make those videos as a respond to the people who claim the quran to be a book of evil. They dont claim that the Bible is evil, they claim christians to be evil, and thats a whole another thing!

I dont want those muslims dead, because I have yet not heard of them lying about the Bible.
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Nobody's seen the movie so we don't know what methods Geert is using to prove the Quran is a violent book.
You say taking verses out of contex is lying. Well, that's what many muslims do when trying to prove the Bible fortells Mohammad or something like that.
christians do feel insulted with such thing, remember the Da Vinci code? The difference is, as Fishman said, that tehy're used of bing mocked and insulted so thy won't go about burning embassies and boycotting countries.
I told you, there are plenty on youtube. And I wasn't refering to movies only, there are plenty of websites, lectures etc.
The videos claim the Bible is violent. Muslims may make them out of their hate for Christians, but then Geert made the movie for the same reason: he isn't to fond of muslims and Islam.
 
He might be deceived or ignorant, but I do not believe he is lying, as in purposefully saying something he knows is wrong. His dislike of Islam is very genuine IMHO.
 
Cognescenti said:
BTW...I just realized Geert reminds me of one of those guys from that Lion-tamer act Siegfried and Roy. I hope things turn out better for him.
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Its true, Geert is like an offspring between the two!

Anywho, people are right in saying that we don't really know the full content of the film, however Geert is known to say controversial things such as "half the Qu'ran should be ripped out" so I suspect the worse out of this production. Guess we don't know how damaging this film will be until it is released. (I for one will probably find a site to stream it on, paid to watch the Golden Compass the other day and it was a load of crap!) Outrage may follow in Muslim streets, Geert may live, Geert may die- frankly I don't care!

God will serve the final judgement, as he will for us all.
 
Lina said:
Geert on FOX NEWS
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That was a good watch. I highly recommend it.

The sad thing is that there are Muslims out there proving he is right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52502-2005Jan31.html
THE HAGUE -- Sometimes the threats come by e-mail. Other times, warnings show up on Internet chat sites. Occasionally they are short video clips. The latest has a soundtrack of Arabic song and automatic-weapons fire, and a photograph of the intended target -- a Dutch lawmaker, Geert Wilders.

"He is an enemy of Islam and he should be beheaded," the narrator of one video clip posted on the Internet says in Arabic, against the crackle of gunfire. Behead him, "and you will earn a place in paradise."
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That is kind of like saying "If you say Islam is violent, I will kill you".

Why do some fall into these obvious traps?
 

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