Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

Thank you for clarifying...I too thought that he was Muslim and some of his teaching were in fact Islamic.
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Well I don't know if Guru Nanak was Muslim but according to Sikhs, he was Lord Himself which of course is a false claim.

So, if Jesus was son of Lord and then Guru Nanak was Lord Himself. That makes Jesus son of Nanak...

I would like to hear from non-Sikhs what they think of Sikhs' claim that Nanak was Lord Himself....
 
ultimate truth said:
Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki fateh

id like to start by saying im glad to see a constructive conversation taking place rather then bashing beliefs thats do not agree with our own. Iv particularly enjoyed reading fishmans posts.

its bin a while since iv posted and i havent got long to write this reply. just like to clear a few things up.

Sikhs have some very authentic sources of their history hand written by Guru Nanak jis companians and sikh scholars from the times of the gurus who are respected very highly in the sikh faith.

namedly two of these sources are Bhai Bala jis janam sakhis, and Bhai Gurdaas jis vaars.
Bhai gurdaas jis vaars can be found online. Bhai bala ji was Guru Nanak jis companian as well as the muslim bhai mardana ji.

Bhai Gurdaas has mentioned the carrying of a scripture by Guru Nanak ji, This was not the holy Quran, but was the first original additon of the devine scritpure of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Guru Nanak ji wrote the revalations he recieved in this book. Heres bhai gurdaas jis account of events:

Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca.
He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his armpit, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress.
Now he sat in a mosque where the pilgrms (hajis) had gathered.
When Baba (Nanak) slept in the night spreading his legs towards the alcove of mosque at Kaba,
the qazi named Jivan kicked him and asked who was this infidel enacting blasphemy.
Why this sinner is sleeping his legs spread towards God, Khuda.
Catching hold of the legs he lynched (Baba Nanak) and lo and behold the miracle, the whole of Mecca revolved (around Guru Nanak ji feet).
All bowed in amazement
Qazi and maulvis got together and began discussing religion.
A great fantasy has been created and no one could understood its mystery.
They asked Baba Nanak to open and search in his book whether Hindu is great or the Muslim.
Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis, that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.
By being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord.
As the colour of safflower is impermanent and is washed away in water, likewise the colours of religiosity are also temporary.
(Followers of both the religions) In their expositions, denounce Ram and Rahim (Muhammad Sahib).
The whole of the world is following the ways of Satan.(33)


The book wasnt the quran as previously mentioned. I will post more later, run out of time, lunch break over! sorry
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These kind of superstitions can also be found in other Sufi books. I remember reading one book of Ismaili Sufis from pakistan written about 200 years ago for my scholarly purposes and came across many such myths. This myths are nothing but to persuade gullible people.

Adi Granth has been written over centuries, its has evolved and is certainly not pure, like the Quran. This story you mentioned most probably have been added later as Muslim orthodoxy in South Asia gained stronghold during Aurangzeb's empire. It could be that Sikh rulers wanted to deviate Muslim laymen from the orthodox Sunni Islam and hence they added this story of Guru Nanak about humanity, pernnialism etc.

uddan Sikh vadiya loki hagain.
 
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Wa7abiScientist said:
These kind of superstitions can also be found in other Sufi books. I remember reading one book of Ismaili Sufis from pakistan written about 200 years ago for my scholarly purposes and came across many such myths. This myths are nothing but to persuade gullible people.

Adi Granth has been written over centuries, its has evolved and is certainly not pure, like the Quran. This story you mentioned most probably have been added later as Muslim orthodoxy in South Asia gained stronghold during Aurangzeb's empire. It could be that Sikh rulers wanted to deviate Muslim laymen from the orthodox Sunni Islam and hence they added this story of Guru Nanak about humanity, pernnialism etc.

uddan Sikh vadiya loki hagain.
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Now the fact is that Bhai Gurdas was born after Guru Nanak had already died. Therefore, he obviously didn't eyewitness what happened in Mecca.
 
Asalaamu 'alaikum,

We're in the process of covering this topic in great detail, as well as examining the 'aqeedah of those Muslims whose works were incorporated into the Adi Granth.

insha'Allaah, we'll let you know once it is published.

For the moment, we have a related survey published on our site asking Muslims if they believe Guru Nanak was a Muslim. This could perhaps be the first statistical analysis of its kind on this subject so we would encourage everyone here and especially this thread to visit our website and vote.

Jazakumullaahu khairan.

wa salaam
 
cali dude said:
Well I don't know if Guru Nanak was Muslim but according to Sikhs, he was Lord Himself which of course is a false claim.

So, if Jesus was son of Lord and then Guru Nanak was Lord Himself. That makes Jesus son of Nanak...

I would like to hear from non-Sikhs what they think of Sikhs' claim that Nanak was Lord Himself....
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Why do you keep bringing these false claims, everytime I see you post. If you have evidence to suggest that then bring it, instead of just making a baseless statement.
 
cali dude said:
This is not false claim...

Bhai Gurdas wrote that Lord appeared Himself as Nanak and Sikhs are intepretting it as that Guru Nanak was Lord Himself.

http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3296
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He was messenger of lord or a prophet in you language. Now If he was Muslim prophet and acknowledged Allah as one and only lord, why Muslims did not follow the way of life shown by him which is known as Sikhism?? Why did Muslims not treat him like Mohammad.
 
Mehtab Singh said:
He was messenger of lord or a prophet in you language. Now If he was Muslim prophet and acknowledged Allah as one and only lord, why Muslims did not follow the way of life shown by him which is known as Sikhism?? Why did Muslims not treat him like Mohammad.
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Because he is not equal to even the dirt of prophet Muhammad pbuh feet.
 
cali dude said:
This is not false claim...

Bhai Gurdas wrote that Lord appeared Himself as Nanak and Sikhs are intepretting it as that Guru Nanak was Lord Himself.

http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3296
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You have to understand what an enlightned person who has ridden himself of individuality and become ''One with God'' means. It means he is not bound by material desire, his thoughts and actions are rightouess and his soul has become ultimatley pure, he does not suffer and as God like as you can get. He isn't attached by the power of Maya (illusion) and see's the light of God in every creation. It does not mean he is God. You need to read about achieveing Moksha and what it actually represents and means.

This can be said the same about all prophets and sages. There are numerous verses throughout the Granth Sahib which state God does NOT incarnate as man.
 

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