Harry Potter Haram?!

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Age rate? I think that is because it gets 'scarier' lol.

naa... i read order of the pheonix before i started practising.

trust me its more then just scarier :rollseyes

 

[vpb]

^ lol yeah mashaAllah, i agree, may Allah put love in our hearts for good deeds and hatred for evil deeds. Ameen

ameen.

That is true but at the same time we shouldn't overwhelm people, not every one is at the level that they are able enough to give up makruh things as well as haram.

I know, you can't go to a person that recently embraced islam to tell him "leave the music, it's not allowed... bla bla bla".. bc he still is not able to accept it.

but when you have someone trying to prove to you that it's not this but that, that is is a different story.
but yeah I get your point

Watching is a whole different story... that filled with haram stuff, like music, inappropriate dress etc.

well reading is not that far from watching. still it doesn't change anything, ppl can use their imagination to create the scene.

same as when we read Qur'an, verses about Hell , we try to think about how is the feel, so it's not much difference between watching and reading, it's just that watching is more relaxing and easy to understand

 

[Nerd]

Following is a verse from the Quran and an Hadith pertaining to Magic... Why is it so hard for a Muslim to read whats in the Quran and try to understand them?

"And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this." (Surah: Al-Baqarah, 2:102)



Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Avoid the seven great destructive sins." The people enquire, "O Allah's Apostle! What are they? "He said, "To join others in worship along with Allah, to practice sorcery, to kill the life which Allah has forbidden except for a just cause, (according to Islamic law), to eat up Riba (usury), to eat up an orphan's wealth, to give back to the enemy and fleeing from the battlefield at the time of fighting, and to accuse, chaste women, who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 51, Number 28)

Aren't we supposed to rely on the Holy Quran and Hadith? :?

Does the harry potter books teach us real magic?

 

[snakelegs]

this thread really surprises me. i know there are some christians who object to HP, but i never expected muslims to have a problem with it.
(btw, i've never read them - saw about 10 minutes of the 1st movie and didn't like it.) so i can't comment on HP itself one way or the other.

 

[mohammed farah]

Harry potter haram?

Question: I was wondering if watching and reading the “Harry Potter” series is okay? “Harry Potter” books and movies are about magic, and I know that magic is not permissible in Islam. So I just want to make sure if it is okay or not.


Answer:In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we commend your pursuit of knowledge and your keenness to seek what is lawful and avoid what is not. We earnestly implore Allah to bless your efforts in this honorable way.

‘Harry Potter’ books and movies are all about magic and mythology, and that is why reading or watching them is to be avoided. There is almost a consensus among Muslim scholars that learning magic is haram. For sure, there are many useful books and movies to read and watch other than ‘Harry Potter’. The issue becomes more dangerous when parents allow their children to watch or read such stories as it may affect their creed in their earliest years.

Responding to the question, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Shinqiti, Director of the Islamic Center of South Plains, Lubbock, Texas, states the following:

"Traditionally, there is almost consensus among Muslim scholars that learning magic is haram. They base their argument on the verse mentioning people who learn magic: “And they learn what harms them, not what profits them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew.” (Al-Baqarah: 102)

According to the trustworthy people who read the works of “Harry Potter” it is all about magic and mythology. Therefore, I would not advise young people to read it or parents to give it to their children.

The attractive way in which these works are done is very dangerous and might negatively affect the basic concept of `aqeedah or Islamic creed and values of our youth. People of knowledge recognize the impact such artistic works might have on the mind and soul. The late well-known Muslim poet, Muhammad Iqbal, is quoted to have said: “Aridity of logic cannot overwhelm the beauty of poetry.”

Therefore, a Muslim is advised to stay away from these attractive but poisonous works."

 

[vpb]

Why is it so hard for a Muslim to read whats in the Quran and try to understand them?

I know bro, but trying to comment on verses, or trying to say this is halal or haram without having the amount of knowledge required is haram.

Is there any of us here, that knows by heart the groups of verses classified for each subjects?
how much do we know about the verses, why were they revealed, how many hadiths do we know and all that it comes with them??

Aren't we supposed to rely on the Holy Quran and Hadith?

of course bro, it's just that we can't start defining halal haram, and commenting , everyone with his opinion.

just quick example for the end,


let's take the hadith from Bukhari , which we know there is no doubt about the hadiths in Bukhari,

Volume 2, Book 13, Number 2: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, "Anyone of you attending the Friday (prayers) should take a bath."


ok, so what we can see from here, is that Messenger of Allah saws, is ordering us to take a bath on fridays.
now imagine if anyone would start commenting on their own,
we would start telling ppl, it is obligatory for muslim to take bath,
but in reality we see that the matter for this hadith is totally different, bc the hadith is abrogated, we bath is not obligatory anymore (apart from imam Malik who says that it is).

but you see we can't go on our own. We need to depend on people who have wider range of knowledge. they present us the evidences, and that we follow them.

 

[vpb]

(btw, i've never read them - saw about 10 minutes of the 1st movie and didn't like it.) so i can't comment on HP itself one way or the other.

lol me too, not bc of Islam, but even before, I never liked it. I used to mess with my friend in high school about Harry potter, lol.

 

[snakelegs]

lol me too, not bc of Islam, but even before, I never liked it. I used to mess with my friend in high school about Harry potter, lol.

we are a Select Minority!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Aren't we supposed to rely on the Holy Quran and Hadith? :?

Does the harry potter books teach us real magic?

dear brother/sister. in fiqhi matters like this we need to turn to the scholars, there could be so much we're missing out, please refrain from looking a few sources and basing your whole judgement on that...

 

[vpb]

we are a Select Minority!

shurup you snake you're a sci-fi yourself, you don't even have arms

 

[Nerd]

I totally agree with you vpb

 

[Malaikah]

Responding to the question, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Shinqiti, Director of the Islamic Center of South Plains, Lubbock, Texas, states the following:

"Traditionally, there is almost consensus among Muslim scholars that learning magic is haram. They base their argument on the verse mentioning people who learn magic: “And they learn what harms them, not what profits them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew.” (Al-Baqarah: 102)

Not trying to sound like I know more than this guy or anything...

but magic in Islam= jinns

magic in Harry Potter= waving wands etc.

That fatwa implies that the type of magic in Harry Potter is real and can be learned. But it isn't real and we obviously can't learn it. :rollseyes

 

[Nerd]

There are many spells in Harry Potter check out this link if anybody is interested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spells_in_Harry_Potter
But I wonder how authentic or real "Harry Potter" magic is?

 

[vpb]

Not trying to sound like I know more than this guy or anything...

but magic in Islam= jinns

magic in Harry Potter= waving wands etc.

isn't it enough that you are watching about something called 'magic' wether it matches with the concept of magic in islam or not?

if the movie would have 'magic of jinns', then it wouldn't be sci-fi, but they have to make up something in order to make it as sci-fi, but in general the term used for the movie is magic.

but anyways. loll. i'm getting sick of harry. ;D

 

[Malaikah]

But is doesn't make sense that the fatwa is comparing the too things when they are totally different! :?

 

[vpb]

But is doesn't make sense that the fatwa is comparing the too things when they are totally different!

ok , let's make it simple,

just imagine, even someone would approach Muhammed saws, or even one of the sahabas, and tell them, watch this movie or read the book, and at the end tell me what do u think of it? is it good for a muslim?

what do u think the response would be? just be honest

 

[Malaikah]

I doubt they would waste their time on it, but that doesn't answer my question really...

 

[vpb]

I doubt they would waste their time on it, but that doesn't answer my question really...

how do u mean it doesn't answer your question?? the point is whether HP is good for muslims or not? if u know that Muhammed saws or the sahabas would not feel good about this thing, than what's gonna answer your question?

1.Fatwa is given that HP is not recommend to be watched.
2. Common sense tells u the same
3. We know Allah swt told us not to waste time.

what more?

 

[Malaikah]

I was talking about comparing the type of magic mentioned in the Quran (real magic) to fake 'magic'...

 

[vpb]

I was talking about comparing the type of magic mentioned in the Quran (real magic) to fake 'magic'...

as I said above

if the movie would have 'magic of jinns', then it wouldn't be sci-fi, but they have to make up something in order to make it as sci-fi, but in general the term used for the movie is magic.

so the same principle the movie has, about MAGIC, it doesn't matter whether the magic can be applied or not, it's the fact that you are spending time on watching something, which is not good.
We don't seek help from magic, but from Allah swt. So what would it matter if it is from jins, or in imaginary terms the magic of HP?? it is teaching u help from other than Allah swt, wether it's sci-fi or not. It is teaching u that principle.