Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

[doorster]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

Have anyone here read "What is the Origin of Man" by Maurice Bucaille?

it does not matter much if there is anything pro-Islam in it, since they will be (and have been) allowed to insult him by saying that whatever he said/wrote, he did for cash

anyway if any Muslim is interested it might be found here @
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Garamond, Times New Roman, Times]What is the Origin of Man?[/FONT][/FONT]


I do not know if this is an original or not

Evolution in the Light of Islam
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[Al-Zaara]

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Thanks y'all for commenting! Really interesting.

 

[roohani.doctor]

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islam isnt totally against the whole theory of evolution... i heard an interview with yusuf estes where he said sumthin bout Allah is the Creator as well as the Evolution-er, and Adam (PBUH) was a 100% human, but pple then used to live for 100s of years, and we dont, plus i heard that they used to be waay taller than us..... but anyhoo point is.... not sure.... just that i think its entirely possible to believe in both evolution and creation....obviously within reason

 

[Izyan]

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This has always baffled me. Why can't you believe in both Creationism and Evolution? Why couldn't God have created man, animals,and plants to evole into something else? Does the catipillar not turn into a butterfly?

 

[Hamayun]

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This has always baffled me. Why can't you believe in both Creationism and Evolution? Why couldn't God have created man, animals,and plants to evole into something else? Does the catipillar not turn into a butterfly?

Very true..

 

[alcurad]

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Except there is no "perhaps" that the Quran is against evolution of humans - it is definite, 100% (at least in the sense that humans came from Adam).

humans coming from Adam does not mean evolution is wrong...

 

[Hamayun]

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humans coming from Adam does not mean evolution is wrong...

Sharks, dragonflies and many other species have not evolved at all for the last 500 million years. Whats your point?

Several species have not changed at all since they came into existence. But people don't take much notice of that.

 

[barney]

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obviously within reason

And therein lies the rub. Although Harun is slating evolution in a manner similar to slating algebra with the arguement that letters are not numbers (I.E He simply hasnt a clue of the very basic facts of evolution , and cant be bothered to find out), by his own hopelessly inadequate standards, which i will steep to for a moment, May I ask him the question.

Why are Humans still not 90 foot tall?

That , my freinds, is the sheer level of ridicule deserved for this , very glossy very expensive , very stupid book.

 

[alcurad]

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my point is, i was addressing sister Malikah

but brother Hamayun, there were no sharks 500 million years ago, there were shark ancestors. I don't know much about dragonflies though, where did you see/hear that?

 

[barney]

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AFAIK, Sharks are the oldest non evolved fish in the world. Similar to crocodiles they have been around hundreds of thousands of years.

If anyone is expecting sharks to evolve, they dont know evolution.

Simply put, If you want to argue against evolution, know what your saying first, or else you will end up looking like poor old Harun. A laughing stock amongst anyone who has a basic education.

 

[Hamayun]

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humans coming from Adam does not mean evolution is wrong...

my point is, i was addressing sister Malikah

but brother Hamayun, there were no sharks 500 million years ago, there were shark ancestors. I don't know much about dragonflies though, where did you see/hear that?

I just realised I agree with you :-[

I read your post wrong. I thought you meant humans coming from Adam means evolution is wrong...

I was trying to prove the same point as you...

Just because a certain species hasn't evolved does not mean evolution doesn't happen.

Sorry lol.

 

[north_malaysian]

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Some animals evolved and some are not... which prove that there is a God... he chosed which animals evolved and which is not...

and like alcurad said "humans coming from Adam does not mean evolution is wrong... "

 

[The Khan]

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That's the best post I've read in this thread so far. ^_^

Personally though, the man evolved from monkey thing... I'm not buying it. That's similar to the evolution of birds from dinosaurs (saw it on discovery).

Makes you wonder though...why do people think dinosaurs had scales? Why not feathers? Or hair? ^^;

 

[alcurad]

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I just realised I agree with you :-[

I read your post wrong. I thought you meant humans coming from Adam means evolution is wrong...

I was trying to prove the same point as you...

Just because a certain species hasn't evolved does not mean evolution doesn't happen.

Sorry lol.

heh, no problem

 

[Trumble]

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Some animals evolved and some are not... which prove that there is a God... he chosed which animals evolved and which is not...

It doesn't 'disprove' there is a God, at best. Not only does evolution by natural selection account for different rates of evolution - down to (virtually) none in some cases - it predicts them.

Evolution by natural selection is not the generally accepted scientific theory for no reason, and that reason is not (despite some of the nonsense you might read) due to any sort of conspiracy. It is the generally accepted scientific theory for exactly the same reason as quantum mechanics and relativity are generally accepted - it explains and predicts the empirical evidence better than any other (scientific) theory anyine has yet come up with. No creationist rhetoric will change that.. if evolution ever does fall it will be on scientific grounds. Real science, that is. Which (Doorster) is the significant difference between Maurice Bucaille and Harun Yahya. Bucalle knows both in general and specific terms what the real science is, and addresses the question on that level. Yahya is ignorant of it or (more likely) chooses to deliberately misrepresent it on the assumption that his audience is.

 

[Al-Zaara]

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Very good points, I especially agree with alcurad and north_malaysian and I ask myself the question which Izyan asked aswell.

Just a side note, I never agreed with Harun's view on this matter, I just found it interesting how there's going on a "power struggle"... Like giving those books out all over the world disapproving with the theory learned in many schools (especially in the USA have I seen trouble with this), and here were I live, there has recently been a quite fiercy discussion about creationism and evolution in the newspapers. His timing was perfect, so to say.

Thanks again y'all!

 

[SixTen]

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Harun Yahya, sigh :/. You should avoid taking Qur'an interpretation, or science, from this man.

 

[Malaikah]

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This has always baffled me. Why can't you believe in both Creationism and Evolution? Why couldn't God have created man, animals,and plants to evole into something else? Does the catipillar not turn into a butterfly?

Of course, there is nothing contraversial about that. What is contraversial is that humans evolved from a non-human ancestor. We don't believe that. We believe all humans come from Adam.

humans coming from Adam does not mean evolution is wrong...

I know. It just means the theory that humans evolved from a non-human ancestor is wrong.

There is nothing in Islam to negate that other life forms (animals, plants, single-celled organisms etc) could have evolved from a common ancestor.

 

[doorster]

(in)Adequacy of Evolution

Adequacy of Evolution


excerpt from:
Evolution in the Light of Islam


Evolution is a scientific theory that, before attempting to employ it to understand the sunnan of Allah in creation, should be investigated using the internal logic of scientific inquiry and well-established scientific methodologies. The most basic question is whether the theory of evolution really delivers an adequate explanation of the complexity of life. Given the space constraints of this article, it is impossible to discuss all the alleged evidence supporting the theory. However, what is notable is that the theory has not provided any detailed account for the emergence of the complex organs, structures, and mechanisms observed in all living forms. This does not mean that there are no partial attempts aimed at that objective, nor does it mean the falsity of evolution.


The root of this problem can be understood as follows. Assume that to have a structure fitted to the environment, the organism needs two changes. These two changes may be two point mutations or two modifications to two already existing structures that do different tasks and which will make them come together to perform a new function(13). Now the simultaneous occurrence of the two required changes, on the basis of Neo-Darwinism, has an extremely small probability(14). Serial occurrence, i.e., one change after the other, does not solve the problem. Also, in the serial scenario, there is an additional problem if the occurrence of any of the two changes without the other causes a disadvantage to the organism. The Neo-Darwinian theory of evolution appeals to a series of slight successive variations under the presumption that, at every step, it is more likely that the occurring change would be beneficial to the organism, or at least not harmful. If that is the case, then it means that fitness as a function of the genetic makeup of the organism has a very special form of dependence that requires an explanation of its own(15).

 

[doorster]

Belief in man's Evolution is kufr - Nuh Ha Mim Keller

even people like Br. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nuh Ha Mim Keller who have quite a few novel ideas about Islam draw the line at this subject of man's evolution[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As for claim that man has evolved from a non-human species, this is unbelief (kufr) no matter if we ascribe the process to Allah or to "nature," because it negates the truth of Adam's special creation that Allah has revealed in the Qur'an. Man is of special origin, attested to not only by revelation, but also by the divine secret within him, the capacity for ma'rifa or knowledge of the Divine that he alone of all things possesses. By his God-given nature, man stands before a door opening onto infinitude that no other creature in the universe can aspire to. Man is something else. [/FONT]