Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

if evolution is being forced to be teached onto children as young as "8 years old" as dawkins state. then why shoudnt creation- which is what atlas of creations aims to do, not "force" children to become muslim. serisouly if you think that Atlas of Creation has got an aim of "forceing" especially "children" then, you work that out for yourself.

Thats like saying, if the old age universe is being taught in the class - why not the young earth?

While your teaching people that dinasaurs existed - why not teach them that so did humans co-exist with dinasaurs, as so many christian scientists have claimed?

You see, the school should only teach what has scientific evidence.

 

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

LOL if you want to get scientific and start debating then you should go on to this thread which is a sticky in the comparitive religion "Biological Evolution- An Islamic Perspective" it is thier where you can state why Evolution is better than Creation, when Evolutions Subtheories such as abiogensis and common descent are well not provable, not going to say anymore if you want to get scientific then go to the thread...

Can you prove creation? Nope, can you show people God, or prove his existance? Nope, can you prove your religion to be true, or any religion without a doubt? Nope, so should you abandon those altogether? You see, your logic has a double standard - can't prove it so rejecting it - despite the evidence.

By your theory, an atheist can go "I don't believe in God, because you can't prove it, I am not going to hear your theories, rhetorics, or evidence, I want to see God with my eyes, and if you can't show it I won't believe". This is like your claim, of wanting to see live macroevolution in your eyes, its as impossible as seeing God.

 

[Hamayun]

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Can you prove creation? Nope

Oh! So us evolving from monkeys has been "proven"?

The source of Big Bang has been found and "proven"?

We have "proven" the source of all matter that exists in the universe?

Thats sorted then. :rollseyes Hilarious!!! ^o)

 

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

Oh! So us evolving from monkeys has been "proven"?

The source of Big Bang has been found and "proven"?

We have "proven" the source of all matter that exists in the universe?

Thats sorted then. :rollseyes Hilarious!!! ^o)

How about you try to comprehend my post? You trying to ridicule my post, only makes you look more ignorant.

We all believe in things, which are not proven - because we are compelled by the evidence.

Hint? Don't knock somthing because it can't be proven 100% - actually research into it.

You can't even prove the existance of gravity, doesn't mean you don't believe it. It is still, "The theory of gravity" as you know. You probably accept the "Big Bang Theory" too, yet you probably know very little about it. What about the "atomic theory", none of these, can be proven 100%, but it doesn't stop you from believing the model atoms - why? Because you feel, their is sufficient evidence.

And, you still think evolution is humans evolving from monkeys? You know, if you wish to be arrogant, atleast be learned on the issue you wish to be arrogant on in future.

 

[Hamayun]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

You see, the school should only teach what has scientific evidence.

Can you prove creation? Nope.

I was responding to that. In your own words if there is no evidence then why teach it???

Where is the evidence that there was a Big Bang? Where is the evidence that there was no Supernatural power behind the big bang?

So by those standards either we don't teach either or...

if we teach Evolutionism then why not Creation???

You have the double standards my friend not us!

P.S calling me ignorant doesn't make your post any more valid.

 

[doorster]

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clever edit SixTen! good thing you did or I was gonna post:

look when these atheists are confronted and one refuses to convert over to their religion they become abusive and resort to personal insults.

daymn! you've thwarted me again (I would have looked like stupid moaning ninny,had I reported an abusive post and mods came to see a sanitized version)

 

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

I was responding to that. In your own words if there is no evidence then why teach it???

Where is the evidence that there was a Big Bang? Where is the evidence that there was no Supernatural power behind the big bang?

So by those standards if it is ok to teach Evolutionism then why not Creation???

You have the double standards my friend not us!

Creation doesn't have scientific evidence - unless you care to share some? I mean, I believe in God, but I can't give any scientific evidence, (some may argue this point, but I believe the choice is rather personal, maybe philosophical). Hence, I do not say, everyone should be taught that God exists in school, that is a more personal aspect, as is, creation. You can believe in it, but how would you teach it in school? Think about it.

You will, say, animals came via creation, aka supernatural disposition. How do you teach that in class scientifically?

 

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

clever edit SixTen! good thing you did or I was gonna post:

look when these atheists are confronted and one refuse to convert over to their religion they become abusive and resort to personal insults.

daymn! you've thwarted me again (I would have looked like stupid moaning ninny,had I reported an abusive post and mods came to see a sanitized version)

Who said I was atheist? You better edit quick imo.

 

[doorster]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

no sah bahs! iz it I who iz preaching descent from monkeys or is it someone else?

 

[Hamayun]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

So show me the evidence for Big Bang and also the evidence that it took place without any influence or intervention.

If you can not show me concrete evidence then by your own argument it should not be taught in schools.

Then you talk about double standards? Funny! :uuh:

 

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

no sah bahs! iz it I who iz preaching descent from monkeys or is it someone else?

Actually, its rather, descent is possible.

In the end of the day, you cannot prove nor disprove 100% evolution. Harun Yahya's book is intellectually bankrupt, in that it has bad science. My overall message is, that, evolution does not pose a problem for Islam - and that, making bad science as dawah (such as Harun Yahya), is actually anti-dawah for Islam.

I don't know if any of you looked through the theory, but, you know, it has such complexity - such wonders, that itself - is enough for me to believe their is somthing out their, that is, Allah.

Also, religion, to me, is like, what seperates man from animals. You see, I don't know if anyone read the selfish gene, its basically, the evolution of genes, whos only goal is to live on. This usually involves, a lot of immorals. I guess what I am saying is, it is as though, religion defines your life - from being a simply gene carrier - to have a purpose, which I think philosophically is quite a beutiful distinction, between that of animals, and that of humans. Animals, although follow altruism, it does not compare to the level of humans. A lot of the altruism of animals, is benefical to its survival and its foregoing of genes. So, imo, Allah, has made a beutiful way, of seperating humans to animals - and the state of selfishness, and immorality, is just going in the path of animals.

 

[SixTen]

Re: Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

So show me the evidence for Big Bang and also the evidence that it took place without any influence or intervention.

If you can not show me concrete evidence then by your own argument it should not be taught in schools.

Then you talk about double standards? Funny! :uuh:

You must think I am atheist brother :blind:, read above, however, we should be honest, we have no scientic evidence of influence or intervention - even though I do believe Allah exists.

 

[doorster]

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Actually, its rather, descent is possible.

I rest my case!

just like woody Allen's Zee, I'll just stand aside and snicker at your cheek for calling others arrogant (and worse) while being full of it.

 

[SixTen]

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I rest my case!

just like woody Allen's Zee, I'll just stand aside and s****** at your cheek for calling others arrogant (and worse) while being full of it.

How so, people claimed it as impossible, or ludicrous, or silly, that is arrogant, and also ignorant.

 

[Hamayun]

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we have no scientic evidence of influence or intervention - even though I do believe Allah exists.

Flipside???

We don't have any scientific evidence to support the theory of big bang and the infinite existence of matter and that it took place without influence or intervention. Does that mean we should stop teaching it in schools? There are several holes in the theory.

I am trying to show you your double standards...

While it is ok to teach one thing with no evidence it is not ok to teach the other based on your logic and judgement?

If that isn't double standards then what is?

 

[doorster]

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edit: to clarify that this question is addressed to the preacher and not Br.Humyun

are you trying to make me commit to some kinda speculative theology?

The Censure of Kalâm by the Salaf​

 

[SixTen]

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Flipside???

We don't have any scientific evidence to support the theory of big bang and the infinite existence of matter and that it took place without influence or intervention. Does that mean we should stop teaching it in schools? There are several holes in the theory.

I am trying to show you your double standards...

While it is ok to teach one thing with no evidence it is not ok to teach the other based on your logic and judgement?

If that isn't double standards then what is?

How does the big bang not have evidence for it?

You see, you are confused. If I had stated, that people should be taught that God does not exist, you can say, I have double standard - for their is no scientific evidence to suggest he does not exist. I stated, in schools, things which have scientific evidence should be taught.

But according to you, anything should be taught? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want kids to be taught that Earth could be 6000-9000 years old, and that humans and dinasaurs co-existed. Would you?

I don't have a problem with children being taught the "atomic theory", even though it is not 100% proven. Do you have a problem?

 

[SixTen]

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edit: to clarify that this question is addressed to the preacher and not Br.Humyun

are you trying to make me commit to some kinda speculative theology?

I really don't care what you commit to personally, you can believe in an 6000 years old Earth if you want.

 

[doorster]

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my my my! ever so gracious of you to allow me to choose my own beliefs
ta very much

 

[Hamayun]

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How does the big bang not have evidence for it?

I am tired of repeating my question :rollseyes

Let me make it clearer...

I was referring to evidence that shows that there was no intervention or influence when the big bang occured.

Not that the big bang never occurred!!! All Muslims believe in the big bang in case you didn't notice???