Harun Yahya's book "The Atlas of Creation" is sent to schools all over the world

[جوري]

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or the angels had seen it happen before, but the point here is that it is not clear how living creatures other than humans came to be, it doesn't say much about humans either at that.

other creatures came to be here, the same way humans came to be here.. it is called creation. Eveything in nature happens for a reason blue crabs arrive in MD in the spring, at the same time young hatching birds looking to feed and that is exactly what they like to feed on..it is a cycle of life.. each thing has a time and a role to play.. Quite possible other creatures were there to make earth ready for what came after, it isn't unreasonable to think by observation of nature alone.

the 'jannah' that Adam lived in is the same jannah the faithful go to in the hereafter on what authority? not the prophet's as far as I know...

again, evo is not a complete answer, but the creationist christians or the muslims copying them-like Oktar- are certainly not correct.

This has nothing to do with Adam, or the prophet or religion..
this comes down to one fundamental thing
evolutionsts wish to use their theory as a weapon to deny God's existence or if not his existence, that he created us and basically forgot about us like a petri dish experiment, that we don't need him, he doesn't need us.. fine, the burden of proof is with them in this situation to establish the validity of these theories by controlled testing!
as I see it, (regardless of religion) God is the only truth left automatically unless a 'logical' scientifically verifiable alternative is specified!

 

[alcurad]

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evo if proven disproves God?

now, I see as you do, but what it could be used for and what it actually says are not exactly synonymous.

 

[جوري]

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yes I see as you do, but what it could be used for and what it actually says are not exactly synonymous...

What do you mean? I am sorry I am working on my other thread am not fully focused on this, I am not quite sure I understand? :-[

 

[alcurad]

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I agree with you, evo seems to be used as an argument against God, which it is not, at least speaking of God from the Islamic perspective, and so speaking against that is needed. but evo as a theory is not antagonistic to God per se.

btw how long do you intend to keep that thread running:? nice effort though

 

[جوري]

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I agree with you, evo seems to be used as an argument against God, which it is not, at least speaking of God from the Islamic perspective, and so speaking against that is needed. but evo as a theory is not antagonistic to God per se.

Hence I stated

------or if not his existence, that he created us and basically forgot about us like a petri dish experiment, that we don't need him, he doesn't need us..

when you have such an agenda, it is no longer about science, at least in my humble opinion!

and on this note I bid you g'night

 

[alcurad]

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ok...

 

[doorster]

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I agree with you, evo seems to be used as an argument against God, which it is not, at least speaking of God from the Islamic perspective, and so speaking against that is needed. but evo as a theory is not antagonistic to God per se.

btw how long do you intend to keep that thread running:? nice effort though

for as long as our evolution loving Qur'an haters keep posting or until LI-Staff lock the thread, I hope that sister will post at least until I can think of a reply to this insult, so far each and every reply (maybe 3) I made to that specific post got deleted,

Believing in Qur'an does not qualify the brother to be called a liar, charlatan and a clown, no! not on a Muslim site, nor should anyone be allowed to say that he should be charged with child abuse (no matter whether it is said in an eloquent manner or not).

By no means the brother is perfect or infallible but then again he is no worse than a certain other "scholar" from whose fatwa site everyone is forever quoting here (a man who recently declared holy war on mice (including Micky and Jerry) for being Satan's soldiers.

If there is any correction to be done of our brothers, it is we who should be doing it and we should not be taking lessons [in matters pertaining to Qur'an and religion] from a man whose religion tells him that all the people who are suffering today are actually paying for the bad things they did in their last incarnation

see you all later then

 

[SixTen]

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Just remembered an article I read by a Scientist named Clyde Berkley. I am neutral about the article and don't want to debate on it. Just thought you may find it interesting.

You also have scientists, who claim the earth is 6000-9000 years old, gravity is a myth and all other crazy ideas, whats your point brother?

Anyway, I will leave you with this.

If tommorow, take the hypothetical scenario - that you are convinced of the evolution theory for whatever reason, somthing which came as proof to you or you read about it and it made sense to you. Would you leave Islam? Yes/No?

If no, what are we arguing about now? Hmm...

 

[Hamayun]

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You also have scientists, who claim the earth is 6000-9000 years old, gravity is a myth and all other crazy ideas, whats your point brother?

Anyway, I will leave you with this.

If tommorow, take the hypothetical scenario - that you are convinced of the evolution theory for whatever reason, somthing which came as proof to you or you read about it and it made sense to you. Would you leave Islam? Yes/No?

If no, what are we arguing about now? Hmm...

No. I do not believe we evolved from apes. There is no proof of it and never will be.

My faith is in the Quran and Islam is my religion.

Same as your faith is in Darwin's theory and Evolutionism is your religion.

 

[SixTen]

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No. I do not believe we evolved from apes. There is no proof of it and never will be. My faith is in the Quran and Islam is my religion same as your faith is in Darwin's theory and Evolutionism is your religion.

Im taking you answered no? Nothing to argue about anymore.

 

[alcurad]

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for as long as our evolution loving Qur'an haters keep posting or until LI-Staff lock the thread

By no means the brother is perfect or infallible but then again he is no worse than a certain other "scholar" from whose fatwa site everyone is forever quoting here (a man who recently declared holy war on mice (including Micky and Jerry) for being Satan's soldiers.

I meant her thread, the medical one, not this one...

and I consider Al munajjid to be worse than Oktar when it comes to it.
narrow minded doesn't come close, and I wouldn't call him 'scholar' for the life of me.
our sorry state is mostly due to the misinterpretations of his likes. not only should they be rebuked, but people should be warned from listening to them...

 

[Hamayun]

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Apart from the anti-evolution stuff (which apparently seems to be controversial) what do you think of Harun Yahya's other videos?

The ones against terrorism and all the other good stuff he has done?

I thoroughly enjoyed watching them.

 

[barney]

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Regarding this "Atlas" being forcefed into schools.

How does the forced teaching of any religion sit with the Islamic command of "no compulsion in religion"?

Shouldnt accepting a religion be something that adults who have the maturity to knowlagably accept a religion be the ones that decide what to read in this area?
Thus you can avoid people who simply follow the religion, not from a love of Allah, but because its what they have done since they were born and are preprogrammed into ritualist worship rather than it coming from the heart?

 

[Ali_Cena]

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Regarding this "Atlas" being forcefed into schools.

How does the forced teaching of a religion

if evolution is being forced to be teached onto children as young as "8 years old" as dawkins state. then why shoudnt creation- which is what atlas of creations aims to do, not "force" children to become muslim. serisouly if you think that Atlas of Creation has got an aim of "forceing" especially "children" then, you work that out for yourself.

 

[Hamayun]

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I do agree with you Barney although the same could be said about Darwin's theory.

If people are given both sides of the story then they can make their own mind up so its not all bad.

There should be no compulsion on anyone to believe either one of the two but they should be given the the option.

 

[barney]

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if evolution is being forced to be teached onto children as young as "8 years old" as dawkins state. then why shoudnt creation- which is what atlas of creations aims to do, not "force" children to become muslim. serisouly if you think that Atlas of Creation has got an aim of "forceing" especially "children" then, you work that out for yourself.

I was talking about RE in general. It wont be a surprise that I dont think RE should be taught in a similar way that I dont think a session a week evry week should be spent on Harry Potter.

However if we are talking about why creationism shouldnt be taught then the answer is simple. It has no evidence and is provably incorrect, unless the concept was that a supremely intelligent and very powerful being started evolution and simply let it run. In that case the creator would have to be more complex than the creation, (the universe) and hence would need a creator itself in the old infinate cycle which we thrash out each day here on LI.

Simply put, evolution as it stands is the best and most solid explaination for life on earth or anywhere. Why teach anything else than the best?

I would teach creationism as a half day session saying that some people beleived it and that if the kids wanted to beleive it then they should fill their boots.

 

[Ali_Cena]

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LOL if you want to get scientific and start debating then you should go on to this thread which is a sticky in the comparitive religion "Biological Evolution- An Islamic Perspective" it is thier where you can state why Evolution is better than Creation, when Evolutions Subtheories such as abiogensis and common descent are well not provable, not going to say anymore if you want to get scientific then go to the thread...

 

[Hamayun]

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Simply put, evolution as it stands is the best and most solid explaination for life on earth or anywhere. Why teach anything else than the best?

I would teach creationism as a half day session saying that some people beleived it and that if the kids wanted to beleive it then they should fill their boots.

lol thats reallly funny Barney because that is nothing more than your opinion.

It might be the "best" theory for you but there is a staggering number of people who find the theory of us evolving from Apes weak and absurd and find it is being pushed on them.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them stupid ^o)

There are millions of people (including respected scientists) who are far more intelligent and far more educated than you are who disagree with you. That doesn't make their opinion any less valid than yours???

You are just so full of yourself....

 

[yigiter187]

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Thank you harun yahya..he is a great anti-evoulition...he has magnificent books and videos on Allah and his creations...

 

[Trumble]

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If people are given both sides of the story then they can make their own mind up so its not all bad.

They are not "both sides of the story", they are different stories. That phrase suggests creationism has some sort of scientific credibility when in fact it has none.. it is important here to distinguish between any evidence against evolutionary theory, or some elements of it, and evidence for creationism (of which there is precisely none whatsoever).

Evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory, creationism is not. If you are teaching science therefore, there is no requirement to talk about creationism, indeed doing so would only serve to confuse students as to what science actually is. If kids are taught all about creationism in religious studies class, that's fine.. and I wouldn't expect evolution to be mentioned in that context, as it wouldn't belong any more than creationism does in science class. Maybe philosophy class is the only place the twain might - and should - meet.