Has a Happy Person Ever Become Atheist?

ATHEISTofPEACE said:
Why are atheist happy with only living this one short life? You theist are unhappy and need a sky daddy to give you a second life.
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That... is the worst stereotype I have ever heard to say the least... :thumbs_do

Contrary to your ignorant theory about "theists" :rollseyes the reason why we believe in a "Sky Daddy" is because it goes against our common sense to even comprehend the universe originating without the help of our beloved "Sky Daddy".

I know there are many (everchanging) theories/excuses put forward for the origin of our universe by "scientists" but quite frankly my dear it just doesn't cut it for us.

Its good to know you are happy in your beliefs :) but I sincerely doubt you could even begin to understand the inner peace we "Theists" feel.

We didn't create God to satisfy our imagination... rather it is physically impossible for us to deny his existence.

Toodle pip :)
 
ATHEISTofPEACE said:
Why are atheist happy with only living this one short life? You theist are unhappy and need a sky daddy to give you a second life.
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We're unhappy? Last time I went to the mosque my brothers greeted me with a smile.

Honestly, I hope atheists don't think too deeply about the world. I'd hate to think of myself as just a bag of atoms and chemical reactions with no higher purpose other than whatever pleases me (releases endorphins into my bloodstream). Let's not even touch the topic of purpose in the grand scheme of things which is a joke in a sterile uncaring universe.

The clock is ticking. Better get as much done as you can because the atheistic mentality is haunted by the simple adage:

From dust to dust...
 
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Hamayun said:
That... is the worst stereotype I have ever heard to say the least... :thumbs_do

Contrary to your ignorant theory about "theists" :rollseyes the reason why we believe in a "Sky Daddy" is because it goes against our common sense to even comprehend the universe originating without the help of our beloved "Sky Daddy".

I know there are many (everchanging) theories/excuses put forward for the origin of our universe by "scientists" but quite frankly my dear it just doesn't cut it for us.

Its good to know you are happy in your beliefs :) but I sincerely doubt you could even begin to understand the inner peace we "Theists" feel.

We didn't create God to satisfy our imagination... rather it is physically impossible for us to deny his existence.

Toodle pip :)
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God of the gaps. Classic.
 
Pygoscelis said:
God of the gaps. Classic.
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Is that the best you can come up with?

Obviously anyone with a differing opinion to yours must be insane right?

As ludacris as you may find other peoples opinions they are no less valuable than yours.

Or are you one of those people who think they know best?

Always remember... Convincing yourself doesn't win an argument.

si non te veo feliche morte :rollseyes
 
Hamayun said:
Is that the best you can come up with?

Obviously anyone with a differing opinion to yours must be insane right?

As ludacris as you may find other peoples opinions they are no less valuable than yours.

Or are you one of those people who think they know best?

Always remember... Convincing yourself doesn't win an argument.

si non te veo feliche morte :rollseyes
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Nice straw man.

Do you know what "god of the gaps" refers to?

For that matter, do you know what a "straw man" is?
 
Pygoscelis said:
Nice straw man.

Do you know what "god of the gaps" refers to?

For that matter, do you know what a "straw man" is?
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It's either one of those
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... or it's 'an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.'
(Courtesy of Wikipedia)

Peace :)
 
Pygoscelis said:
Nice straw man.

Do you know what "god of the gaps" refers to?

For that matter, do you know what a "straw man" is?
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I don't have time for your one liners. I know what a "straw man" is, I know what "God of the Gaps" is and fortunately I also know what a "red herring" is. You have three choices:

1. Either respect my opinon and admit that you could be wrong... and I could be right...

OR

2. Prove God does not exist beyond any doubts

OR

3. If you can not prove the above then please don't bother replying to my post because I am not interested the same old over and over...

Tot ziens
 
I know many people, some of my friends, that live life as if their wasen't any after life, they always tell me that you have to ''profit of life to the fullest'' they call the idea of god absurd, they live driven by their passions, their needs regardless, and have very little principle, and overall one could say they appear happy, they are living life, I have lived as such until very recently until my 18th birthday (im am 19 now) and I was a happy man! but something was missing... Now I rejoice in the faith I have in god! Most of these people are in darkness, but light will come to them, in time, as I has came to me!
 
I think belief in the existence of God is a very personal matter, that doesn't really have anything to do with a person's level of happiness. Stating that it does invites... well, not constructive debate.

Case in point:

Pygoscelis said:
I would flip this completely on its head.

Happy people don't need Gods.

Its the people who go through hard times, death of a family member, tragic event, etc that tend to need to reach out for the comforts of religion. Can't accept your father died? Tell yourself "he's in a better place now". Afraid of death or having a tough life? Tell yourself the next life will be so much nicer. Afraid of the world around you? Tell yourself God is in control and is looking out for you.

Those are the bulk of the converts I've met.

Of course most religious people were programmed with it from birth, so we can't really look to them on this.
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If you really believe all that...

You're an idiot.

Unless I'm a freak for really, wanting, needing to pray and give thanks when I feel truly jubilant, and not really praying as a first resort in a tragedy, but rather trying to work myself through it practically, and then pray as my way of life requires.

Which box of yours do I fit in?
 
I think their is many happy atheists, They accept the world as it is and the fact that they beleive they are beasts just like every othe living life forms on this planet.

They view religion as an answer to things that humans cant explain and as a human response to the fear of death, they also live drivin by their passions etc, wich is wholly compatible with many psycological theories for example: behaviorism.

They are also content with living one life and dont need a god/many to explain hardships or happy events, they rather bring it back to themselves instead of praising god, so yes, atheists can be happy people!

Here is a short poetic text I find a propos.

''Do not pass by my epitaph, traveler.
But having stopped, listen and learn, then go your way.
There is no boat in Hades, no ferryman Charon,
No caretaker Aiakos, no dog Cerberus.
All we who are dead below
Have become bones and ashes, but nothing else.
I have spoken to you honestly, go on, traveler,
Lest even while dead I seem loquacious to you.''

This I beleive express the fundamental view of most atheists.

Regards
 
memories said:
I think their is many happy atheists, They accept the world as it is and the fact that they beleive they are beasts just like every othe living life forms on this planet.

They view religion as an answer to things that humans cant explain and as a human response to the fear of death, they also live drivin by their passions etc, wich is wholly compatible with many psycological theories for example: behaviorism.

They are also content with living one life and dont need a god/many to explain hardships or happy events, they rather bring it back to themselves instead of praising god, so yes, atheists can be happy people!

Here is a short poetic text I find a propos.

''Do not pass by my epitaph, traveler.
But having stopped, listen and learn, then go your way.
There is no boat in Hades, no ferryman Charon,
No caretaker Aiakos, no dog Cerberus.
All we who are dead below
Have become bones and ashes, but nothing else.
I have spoken to you honestly, go on, traveler,
Lest even while dead I seem loquacious to you.''

This I beleive express the fundamental view of most atheists.

Regards
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You use a sad atheist poem in a post asserting happiness in atheism? :?
 
No, I think it as a serene poem, accepting the condition of life wich is death. accepting it in a serene manner.
 
Muezzin said:
You're an idiot.
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I try.

Unless I'm a freak for really, wanting, needing to pray and give thanks when I feel truly jubilant, and not really praying as a first resort in a tragedy, but rather trying to work myself through it practically, and then pray as my way of life requires.

Which box of yours do I fit in?
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I repeat my point: Happy people don't need Gods.

Sure, many people have God and are happy, but you'd be hard pressed to find many happy atheists who turn into theists.

Read the literature about conversion and you'll find this to be true. Most converts are "missing something" in their lives which they find in religion. Its most often an emotional need that gets filled by the sense of purpose, security, community, etc that religion can provide. Happy atheists, who don't feel such an emotional void and have plenty of purpose, security, community etc, don't tend to convert.


Apostates in contrast tend to deconvert not due to any emotional gap or need but due to erosion or cold hard logic. In fact deconversion is often a painful process whereas conversion is a joyous one. Some apostates may even wind up less happy after the process, feeling the loss of the above. Being happy doesn't stop that apostacy. If anything it makes it easier. The question posed was do happy people ever become atheists. The answer is yes, more often than most here would think.

Also note that "being mad at god" doesn't make one an atheist. An atheist doesn't believe there is a god to be mad at.
 
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Pygoscelis said:
I try.



I repeat my point: Happy people don't need Gods.

Sure, many people have God and are happy, but you'd be hard pressed to find many happy atheists who turn into theists.

Read the literature about conversion and you'll find this to be true. Most converts are "missing something" in their lives which they find in religion. Its most often an emotional need that gets filled.

Apostates in contrast tend to deconvert not due to any emotional gap or need but due to erosion or cold hard logic. In fact deconversion is often a painful process whereas conversion is a joyous one. Some apostates may even wind up less happy after the process, feeling that emotional void back.

But Happy atheists, who don't feel such an emotional void don't tend to convert.

That is my point.
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According to thomas Hobbes everything we do comes from a need and is intended in serving your ''own good'', when you help someone? you are actually doing it for yourself for your own happiness, Its very egoistical, and I could go on with examples, why would this be different in the case of religion?

people beleive because they think it will bring them something good
thats it. just like we play games because they are fun, just like we eat because we are fufilling a need, everything comes from needs. no exception with religion, people beleive because they are unhappy and beleive it will make them ''happy'' and less fearfull of death etc.
 
memories said:
people beleive because they think it will bring them something good
thats it.
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By that you are saying: You only believe because it will bring you something good and if you stopped believing, because by doing so it brought you something better, then you would stop believieng.

In other words you don't really believe.

Muslims on this forum have said many times "people need somethng to believe in and it might as well be god!"

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Joe98 said:
By that you are saying: You only believe because it will bring you something good and if you stopped believing, because by doing so it brought you something better, then you would stop believieng.

In other words you don't really believe.

Muslims on this forum have said many times "people need somethng to believe in and it might as well be god!"

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No, not quite, this quote gives a fine example of the way I beleive:

''I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.''
Albert Camus

Thats it in a nutshell.
 

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