Hate Crimes on Muslims

[wilberhum]

Wilberhum, is it wrong for a a young child to wish to become a soldier for the US and defend his country?

If your definition of “Defending” is killing others because they don’t agree with you, then yes it is wrong.

If your definition of “Defending” is calling others pigs, then yes it is wrong.

If your definition of “Defending” is killing people because they don’t respect what you respect, then yes it is wrong.

 

[Joan of Arc]

Wilberhum, is it wrong for a a young child to wish to become a soldier for the US and defend his country?

Yes it is that's why you can not join til you are 18. You don't see US recruiters at elementary schools.

 

[- Qatada -]

If your definition of “Defending” is killing others because they don’t agree with you, then yes it is wrong.

War is fought because both sides disagree.

If your definition of “Defending” is calling others pigs, then yes it is wrong.

I'm sure that both sides call each other by even more offensive names, because if they feel too bad to attack the enemy verbally, then why are they prepared to do it physically?

If your definition of “Defending” is killing people because they don’t respect what you respect, then yes it is wrong.

That's the only reason war occurs, because they don't agree with the opposition.

Yes it is that's why you can not join til you are 18. You don't see US recruiters at elementary schools.

The brothers question was whether the child has a right to wish to fight for his people.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Yes it is that's why you can not join til you are 18. You don't see US recruiters at elementary schools.

what if you thought the kid fighting and dying for this opportunity would enter eternal and everlasting happiness and the kid thought this aswell and both accept and the parents accept?


Its amazing, the people think as long as the man and woman agree the fornication is understandable and acceptable because both sides are happy about it yet when this is the case with war the people say the kids are too young! So? the kids happy about it right? Who are you to interfere with it?

 

[Joan of Arc]

what if you thought the kid fighting and dying for this opportunity would enter eternal and everlasting happiness and the kid thought this aswell and both accept and the parents accept?


Its amazing, the people think as long as the man and woman agree the fornication is understandable and acceptable because both sides are happy about it yet when this is the case with war the people say the kids are too young! So? the kids happy about it right? Who are you to interfere with it?

Let's say you were 9 and your parents told you if you put this plastic bag over your head you will enter a state of euphoria that only Allah will grant. Will a child be mature enough to seek his own answer or would he just accept what his parents tell him? We have children hanging themselves imitating Saddam and you're trying to tell me they will be able to understand jihad?

 

[Joan of Arc]

The brothers question was whether the child has a right to wish to fight for his people

The child has that right but it's misguided. Would a child truly fight out of the love of Allah or because an adult says this is what he should do if he loves Allah? Do you get what I'm trying to say?

 

[- Qatada -]

Let's say you were 9 and your parents told you if you put this plastic bag over your head you will enter a state of euphoria that only Allah will grant. Will a child be mature enough to seek his own answer or would he just accept what his parents tell him? We have children hanging themselves imitating Saddam and you're trying to tell me they will be able to understand jihad?

But where does it say in islamic texts that a 9yr old can fight anyway? We know that the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) never gave permission to the young children to fight.



Peace.

 

[Joan of Arc]

But where does it say in islamic texts that a 9yr old can fight anyway? We know that the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) never gave permission to the young children to fight.



Peace.

Well what do you consider a child? These people are talking about instilling this in children. If you are an adult and want to go off and fight in your perception of jihad that's fine but this is too much for a child.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Let's say you were 9 and your parents told you if you put this plastic bag over your head you will enter a state of euphoria that only Allah will grant. Will a child be mature enough to seek his own answer or would he just accept what his parents tell him? We have children hanging themselves imitating Saddam and you're trying to tell me they will be able to understand jihad?

whoooah i wasnt talking about 9 year olds :uuh: . What about 12+ ?

I got a 12 year old cousin who understands a LOT about islam, i reckon he can make this decision and attain the reward.

Also fighting for the sake of God and commiting suicide just isnt the same thing.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

But where does it say in islamic texts that a 9yr old can fight anyway? We know that the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) never gave permission to the young children to fight.



Peace.

ye bro

who were the youngsters at badr? you know the ones who were hiding from the prophet saws but then argued to fight and stuff lol how old were they?

 

[- Qatada -]

Well what do you consider a child? These people are talking about instilling this in children. If you are an adult and want to go off and fight in your perception of jihad that's fine but this is too much for a child.

When a person is mature, so when a guy has a wet dream or a girl gets her periods. That's when they are adults because this signifies adulthood. Not a number [i.e. 18 etc.]


If these people are telling the children to fight right now while the child is so weak and small, thats not right. If they are telling kids about fighting for their beliefs and for their own rights, then the children have a right to learn that. The same way the children within the west are instilled to believe that all muslims are terrorists.


What is wrong with believing that there is One God, who sends messengers with clear signs [i.e. Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon them all)], so we obey God over the creation and any man-made law. And in the end we will return to God to be judged on all that we did, and be either rewarded for obeying God or be punished for rejecting God?

God has allowed the muslims to fight back those who fight them, why is that so bad? Are muslims supposed to be killed and tortured and not do anything about it? Why is the US fighting and oppressing the muslims even though these innocents never did nothing?


Your a good person Joan, and you know that harming the innocents isn't the right thing to do. So these people have the right to fight back, the same way the US chooses to defend itself.



Peace.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Can you say your understanding at 12 is the same as say 18?

its better for adults to fight. Its better for adults to make the decision, but you should know in islam there are rulings for the parents to marry off their daughters to men at a young age even though the girl doesnt understand. This is accepted, you see its because the parents want whats best for that child. So imagine the child is 14/15 and has learned how to grasp the sword and shoot the arrow, has learned how to manuever his horse, if a father and mother agree that the child will benefit most by fighting in war for the sake of Allaah then why should other people come out and say its barbaric? What gives them that right. Thats what im trying to say... if the child agrees, and is capable and wishes for it and the parents both guardians agree and wish for it, then what is the problem with the people?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Just cause I can wield a sword or ride a horse does no guarantee me Basirah.

whats basirah?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Hadrat Ali(ra) was 8 went he(ra) started. And he(ra) was one of the greatest, MashAllah.

 

[Muezzin]

Hate crimes against anyone and committed by anyone are utterly disgusting. People who commit them are especially deserving of punishment.

I wonder why there are hate crimes against Muslims.

Does anyone here understand why Islamophobia is on the rise?

Radicals vs. moderates: British Muslims at crossroads
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/17/warwithin.overview/index.html



Fury at Australia cleric comments http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6273629.stm

So did you forget that little hissy fit of yours in the Homophobia thread about people justifying their hatred and how evil they are for it? Or are you just trying to be hip by making snide remarks against Muslims in an Islamic forum, ignorant of the fact that many of those comments make you sound like the very type of prejudiced person you dislike so much? Of course, you'll probably never reply to this and just run off and make further snarky remarks to sound 'daring'.

 

[MTAFFI]

if any publishes a hate crime against muslims here or anywhere else, I would condemn it and treat them the same no matter where they come from or what religion they are

just wanted to give my 2 cents!

 

[Muezzin]

if any publishes a hate crime against muslims here or anywhere else, I would condemn it and treat them the same no matter where they come from or what religion they are

just wanted to give my 2 cents!

You value and understand justice.

Doesn't matter if the victim of such a crime is Muslim, Christian, Jewish, black, white, Asian, Native American or gay - the person who commited the offence is a scumbag.

 

[Khattab]

If your definition of “Defending” is killing others because they don’t agree with you, then yes it is wrong.

If your definition of “Defending” is calling others pigs, then yes it is wrong.

If your definition of “Defending” is killing people because they don’t respect what you respect, then yes it is wrong.

Please can you quote to me exactly what the talker said in his talk please and where he said to do the following things to which to you are alluding to? And to kill innocents?

The truth is to you dying for the US is honourable where as when anyone mentions "Jihad" it is somethng that disgusts you, double standards.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

The truth is to you dying for the US is honourable where as when anyone mentions "Jihad" it is somethng that disgusts you, double standards.

jazakAllah khair !

 

[Khattab]

Yes it is that's why you can not join til you are 18. You don't see US recruiters at elementary schools.

Please read what I said "is it wrong for a young child to wish to become a soldier for the US and defend his country?"

I never mentioned anything about kids going to war. And also for you is it wrong for a child to hope to become a soldier "when he is older"? Strange, I think all children should have dreams about what they hope to become.