Hate Crimes on Muslims

[wilberhum]

Hate crimes against anyone and committed by anyone are utterly disgusting. People who commit them are especially deserving of punishment.


So did you forget that little hissy fit of yours in the Homophobia thread about people justifying their hatred and how evil they are for it? Or are you just trying to be hip by making snide remarks against Muslims in an Islamic forum, ignorant of the fact that many of those comments make you sound like the very type of prejudiced person you dislike so much? Of course, you'll probably never reply to this and just run off and make further snarky remarks to sound 'daring'.

Sure I remember. And here you are again. Are you defending there brand of hate?

 

[wilberhum]

Please can you quote to me exactly what the talker said in his talk please and where he said to do the following things to which to you are alluding to? And to kill innocents?

The truth is to you dying for the US is honourable where as when anyone mentions "Jihad" it is somethng that disgusts you, double standards.

The truth is that there is no hounour in dying. There is less than no hounour then you kill yourself for the soul reason of killing inocents.

 

[Khattab]

The truth is that there is no hounour in dying. There is less than no hounour then you kill yourself for the soul reason of killing inocents.

The soldiers that have died from the US or whatever country they are honoured and looked upto as heros, yet there is a double standard when anyone mentions anybody fighting in the way of Allah (SWT), they are just simply seen as the 'bad guys' 'terrorists' it doesnt matter that there country was invaded in order to spread 'democracy', steal oil and that there families where killed or that they havent raised a finger to harm any innocents (Im not talking about those who target civialians). Of course you will honour your dead but people who have been robbed of there livelihood arent going to just lie down as you would like they will die defending themselves evenhough you may hate it. Its easy to paint yourselves as the good guys and even easier to believe it.

 

[Skillganon]

The truth is that there is no hounour in dying. There is less than no hounour then you kill yourself for the soul reason of killing inocents.

Join the U.S army. "You are not here to think you are here to Kill" oyeah "die for your country and you will get a medal"

I think we all here are losing the plot. If one is going to nit pick everything, than you can find bad comment in every sphere of british society if you are persistant. Their are some among the tiny monority who hold angry views who probably would not made some of those comments. One and certainly most of the people here do not hold such views except the comments made about western terrorism (foreign Policies).

One actually needs to focus on the one's who are commiting act in large scale invading, occupying, raining bomb's and bullets who oppose them and imposing their will in all name of Democracy and fighting Terrorism regardless of how beutiful this phrases my sound to the ear.

Going back to the Topic, their are non-muslims that are trying their best to condemn this issue of hate crime but do not expect everyone to know about it (unless it get's publicity from big brother) and condemn it.

 

[Malaikah]

The truth is that there is no hounour in dying.

There is no honour in dying as a martyr for the sake of GOD and being admitted in to paradise as soon as you die while everyone else has to wait for the day of judgement, and also being given one of the best places in paradise?

There is no honour is dying as a good person and when your soul comes out it is blissful and the angels are all excited and happy to see your soul being taken up to the heavens and praising you all the way along?

Wow, I wonder where the honour is then?hew

:rollseyes

There is less than no hounour then you kill yourself for the soul reason of killing inocents.

There is no honour is ASSUMING that a person was talking about killing innocents when he said NOTHING to that effect, and then pretending it is true. In fact, I would call that slander.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

like manchsterfolk for instance, you always talking about palestine, why dont you concentrate on your own british thugs

First off I do not condone violence, and I am a minority in England to, by the way. Your personal attack on me was baseless. Palestine is the biggest topic here, so it is naturaul I will speak about it.

How about mentioning the attacks on non-Muslims in Islamic countries since your so judgemental on what you consider to be "uneven" coverage.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

There is no honour in dying as a martyr for the sake of GOD and being admitted in to paradise as soon as you die while everyone else has to wait for the day of judgement, and also being given one of the best places in paradise?

There is no honour is dying as a good person and when your soul comes out it is blissful and the angels are all excited and happy to see your soul being taken up to the heavens and praising you all the way along?

Wow, I wonder where the honour is then?hew

:rollseyes



There is no honour is ASSUMING that a person was talking about killing innocents when he said NOTHING to that effect, and then pretending it is true. In fact, I would call that slander.

mg: :thumbs_up.....lol

 

[SilentObserver]

it is funny how so many westerners comming on these forums acting all righteous and so on yet ignoring their own crimes they do against Muslims in their own country.

I am a westerner, I do no crimes against anyone. In fact, I doubt any westerners on this forum are the type to commit crimes against others.

for instance the high number of hate crimes which continually occur against Muslims in the west. why dont the non-Muslim westerners on this forum speak against the thugs who beat muslim women up on busses and streets in Uk and Usa, .

From thread, 'Racist spits at Muslim on train'

I agree with you that the bahaviour was disgusting, and others should have defended her.

What a terrifying ordeal!!
I cannot begin to imagine how scared I would feel - especially when in charge of several young children!
Peace

This was just a completely rude act upon an innocent person. Doesn't matter whether the woman is Muslim or Christian, any verbal attack upon a woman minding her own business should be condemned by all.

Agreed.

Race and creed are not relevant. You go ape on some innocent person and you should be condemned by all, no matter who you are and no matter who they are.

There are more, do a thread search before making silly statements about others.

i think most of you westerners dont really mind hate crime and attacks on muslims in the west, because non of you hardly bring it up and u act like it doesnt happen but if something happens to a westerner by a Muslim you go all up in arms why? .

I think you have made a silly bigoted statement, and are have some real issues with prejudiced thinking.

because non of you hardly bring it up and u act like it doesnt happen

When's the last time you spoke up about crimes against non-muslims?

i also know a Muslimah who got beta up by a group of thugs in london a few years back, she had her veil on and they just beat her up swearing and and calling her names dirty muslim etc etc etc stuff like that, she was pregnant at the time and as a result of the attack she lost her baby thanks to these western thugs.

That is terrible, those idiots should be castrated.

this isnt a unique case neither, it happens alot in the west,

Which west? All of the west? Not where I live. Not in most of the countries I've been to either. Are you speaking about Britain? That is not the entire west you know.

but these lovable westerners and christians hadrly speak on it and i suspect most of them support it.

You are a bigot, plain and simple. Your type of thinking is what is wrong in the world today. Racism.

 

[Muezzin]

Sure I remember. And here you are again. Are you defending there brand of hate?

Of course not. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the logic you're using. If you read my posts you'll see I view hate crimes, against any group of people be they black, white, Jewish, Muslim, gay or whatever, as some of the worst crimes people are capable of. You, however, seem to condone Islamaphobia, justifying one form of discrimination while condemning all others. I ask you to stop this stupidity.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Of course not. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the logic you're using. If you read my posts you'll see I view hate crimes, against any group of people be they black, white, Jewish, Muslim, gay or whatever, as some of the worst crimes people are capable of. You, however, seem to condone Islamaphobia, justifying one form of discrimination while condemning all others. I ask you to stop this stupidity.

What is Islamaphobia? Tell me how you define it first.

 

[Muezzin]

What is Islamaphobia? Tell me how you define it first.

Hatred of Muslims, which, in the context of this thread, leads to violence against innocent Muslims. In the context of this thread, I define 'Islamaphobia' in a similar way to 'Homophobia', as this thread is about hate crimes.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Hatred of Muslims, which, in the context of this thread, leads to violence against innocent Muslims. In the context of this thread, I define 'Islamaphobia' in a similar way to 'Homophobia', as this thread is about hate crimes.

You see that is the reason. Most people do not define Islamaphobia or Homophobia that way, at least I do not.

If I am a Homophobe for example then I am not hateful towards Homoseuals, but just don't understand them, and do not wish to interact with them. A Homophobe does not nessesarily hate Gays.

I think someone who is an Islamophob just doesn't understand Islam, because of the negative coverage, which needs to be corrected by Muslims showing how kind they are!

I don't think Islamophobia is pure hatred of Muslims.

A soultion I have in reality is helping connect the cultures to understand eachother, have interfaith dialogue ect.

The problem with this is the lack of interest in the more extreme elements Muslim community to really be open to the secular members of the West. It was the same problem with the Jews. They made up 10% of Poland and refuse to look a non-Jew in the eye or speak to one because they haded secularism so much. It led to hatred between a majority group and minoirty one, but also Polish people were pretty hateful from the begining. I learned about this in religious history courses I took. The Jews made up a huge religious minoirty that followed a way of life like Islam (some aspects even stricter) and After the Holocaust the Jews basicaly were destroyed in Poland. They mostly had there own neigborhoods like in England and would stay there and speak there own language. (In no way did the Jews deserve to be killed because they didn't like secularism)

It is kind of scary seeing how Europe forgets about the last anti-secular minoirty they hunted and destroyed.
I think it would be amazing and I would be so happy if we had more inter-faith dialogue.

 

[SilentObserver]

By definition, a phobia has more to do with fear than hatred. Here is a definition;

phobia :an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

Islamophobia really is more about fear of islam, than hatred of islam. Of course often hatred is a result of this fear.

 

[Akil]

This entire argument sounds like, well its ok for us to hate because they hate. Many people will die before we overcome this mentality, assuming we ever do.

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[Muezzin]

I don't think Islamophobia is pure hatred of Muslims.

I see what you're saying. However, as has been pointed out, fear or misunderstanding can lead to hatred. Hatred of any group of people, the whole concept of collective guilt, is disgusting.

A soultion I have in reality is helping connect the cultures to understand eachother, have interfaith dialogue ect.

I agree. Common misconceptions can and should be discussed in public dialogues, but this does not give followers of any faith to slander or insult other faiths in the process.

However, this topic is about hate crimes, which I categorically condemn, whoever their victims or perpetrators are. People who beat up Muslims because of what some crazy idiots do in other countries, people who beat up Jews because of Israel's actions in other countries, people who beat up homosexuals solely for being gay - none of the idiots who commit such assaults on innocent people have an excuse and deserve to be punished.

 

[budda]

The whole root of the problem w/ hate crimes on Muslims is Muslim hate crimes on others. The recent surge in Anti-Muslim thinking is a direct result of horrible crimes committed by evil people in the name of Islam. The only way to stop it is for the Muslim community to rise up in opposition to the extremists that have carried out acts like this. If this does not happen you can expect things to get even worse for the average Muslim. It may be wrong to hate a group of people for the actions of a few but it is the reality of things so you have to learn to work with it.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

budda

It's our own fault. I understand.

P.S. Even though - as you pointed out - it's our own fault, maybe people should educate themselves about Muslims instead of beating them up? I mean, it doesn't take that long to find fatwas by Muslim scholars and Muftis denouncing terrorism (look here: http://www.efatwa.com/) and condemnations by regular Muslims and Muslim organizations. I mean, it's just a suggestion, but I think this approach might be wiser than the "let's-find-someone-that-looks-Muslim-and-start-punching" one. But hey, it's our own fault so I guess we can only blame ourselves.

 

[Pygoscelis]

In my experience, those who have a 'them and us' attitude often interpret certain events soemwhat differently to those who don't.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The sheer amount of straw men in this thread are staggering.

Do you people honestly believe what you have written? Not all us westerners are out to gitcha. We don't all hate you. We are not all raised to think all muslims as terrorists. I didn't even know what a muslim was until I was a teen. I didn't know they had any particular connection to terrorism until the 9/11 hoopla.

 

[Pygoscelis]

A few people do horrible acts in the name of Islam.

A few westerners lash out and declare muslims in general to be terrorists.

The person who started this thread lashes out and declares that the entire west hates muslims and is bigotted against them.

Does anybody notice a pattern?