Hey Agnostics & Atheists: Do you ever worry?

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barney said:
Its an old thread, so I might speak for him, lest he not return to it.

I beleive he is asking why you would beleive extrodinary claims without extrodinary proof.

A similar situation would be if the prophet michal travasser currently residing in strong city USA, who claims he is the messiah was to die, and 3 days later all his diciples,(about 50 of them) were to make a testament that he had risen again and turned beer into mud or something, then shot off into heaven on a Golden Porshe. Further proof that this happened is that before he left he told them he would return each wednesday at 6 PM by appearing in the form of a doughnut, which they were to eat because he wanted them to eat his flesh.

Would you beleive them if they told you that in the year 2088, eighty years after the event?
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If I knew them personally, and knew them to be ones who told only the truth in every other aspect of their lives, and I could see that neither did they appear to be joking nor insane when they said this, then incredible as it seemed, I just might.
 
I would say that the criteria for insanity was thus fullfilled by the content of the claims?
 
I think it is insane to imagine a surfboarding purple dinosaur, but I see you have no problems with that.
 
crayon said:
Do you ever worry that when you die you'll figure out that some religion is true, and that you needed to have believed in it to go to heaven? Whether it's christianity, islam, or any other religion that requires acceptance before death to go to heaven (like not an "everyone goes to heaven" type of religion).

Do you ever wonder about this or worry about it?
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No.

I would love to be religious though.

I'm not to worried about hell though.
 
barney said:
Just out of interest WTH, why the (imaginary) hell would you love to be religious?
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Something to believe in.

I was not raised in a very religious family that was much more culturally than religiously Catholic. I tried to be a religious Catholic for a few years and it was nice to believe that my life had some purpose, that death was not the end of everything, that the world was something more than an accident (see Jacques Monod), that one could pray and it would mean something, that things can be "meant to be", the sense of community religion brings.

Just something to belive in.

I just see the good religion (particularly Islam) brings my friends and I can get a bit jelous of it.
 
wth1257 said:
Something to believe in.
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Its not so much the "something to believe in". It is a strange feeling unlike anything I can describe in words.

Me, my wife, other people I know... when they prayed for the first time. The moment their head touched the floor they burst into tears. It is a very humbling experience.

The first time you let go of yourself. Free your mind of all the scientific formulas and explanations.

Just submit yourself. Surrender to the mighty power that created you. It is hard to stop the tears.

My wife still remembers her first time. It shook her soul bigtime!

Very hard to explain unless you open yourself up.

No words, nor scientific explanation can explain the feeling. Its like trying to explain love, or guilt using a scientific formula. Aint gonna happen.

You feel it in your heart when you let go of your inhibitions.

Peace Bro :) I hope you can find the inner peace we found in Islam (submission).
 
Hamayun said:
Its not so much the "something to believe in". It is a strange feeling unlike anything I can describe in words.

Me, my wife, other people I know... when they prayed for the first time. The moment their head touched the floor they burst into tears. It is a very humbling experience.

The first time you let go of yourself. Free your mind of all the scientific formulas and explanations.

Just submit yourself. Surrender to the mighty power that created you. It is hard to stop the tears.

My wife still remembers her first time. It shook her soul bigtime!

Very hard to explain unless you open yourself up.

No words, nor scientific explanation can explain the feeling. Its like trying to explain love, or guilt using a scientific formula. Aint gonna happen.

You feel it in your heart when you let go of your inhibitions.

Peace Bro :) I hope you can find the inner peace we found in Islam (submission).
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Thank You:)
 
No, it doesnt really worry me either, i beleive that when someone dies, they are replaced by something else, (newborn babies, animals, trees, etc) but I dont think that in a spiritual way. Im just genuinely not a religious person, when it comes to the start of the world i beleive this happen as they happen, so if i was a good person towards the end of my days, then hopefully i will be replaced by something beautiful and not a weed!! :D
 
buddy1 said:
No, it doesnt really worry me either, i beleive that when someone dies, they are replaced by something else, (newborn babies, animals, trees, etc) but I dont think that in a spiritual way. Im just genuinely not a religious person, when it comes to the start of the world i beleive this happen as they happen, so if i was a good person towards the end of my days, then hopefully i will be replaced by something beautiful and not a weed!! :D
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I guess this is a little off topic from talking about the end of life, but would I be correct in assuming from what you wrote that you feel there is a connection between your life and future lives not just in a cosmological since, but metaphyiscally as well? If so, how is that connection maintained? Controlled? Regulated? Administered? What/who does it?
 
Hmm. I dunno how that is sustainable.

Are we talking there about each living thing being replaced by another , possibly sentinant living thing. I tread on a slug and it is all OK, because my Mum just planted a Bizzy Lizzy in a pot, or Mozart dies, but a street urchin is born?

For a kick off whats the balance of living organisms in the world. Does bacteria count? What about the chopping of the rainforests?

I am sucking at my top lip with a furrowed brow at this one.
 
Grace Seeker said:
I guess this is a little off topic from talking about the end of life, but would I be correct in assuming from what you wrote that you feel there is a connection between your life and future lives not just in a cosmological since, but metaphyiscally as well? If so, how is that connection maintained? Controlled? Regulated? Administered? What/who does it?
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barney said:
Hmm. I dunno how that is sustainable.

Are we talking there about each living thing being replaced by another , possibly sentinant living thing. I tread on a slug and it is all OK, because my Mum just planted a Bizzy Lizzy in a pot, or Mozart dies, but a street urchin is born?

For a kick off whats the balance of living organisms in the world. Does bacteria count? What about the chopping of the rainforests?

I am sucking at my top lip with a furrowed brow at this one.
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What I meant, was that I think that when a human dies, it is replaced, by something or someone, if you think about it, people die every second (i dont know the exact figures) and a baby is born every second (again, I dont know the exact number!!) i just look at it like this, when someone dies, almost instantly your place is taken by a new born baby, Im not very good at explaining this sort of theory in writing, i can garuntee if I was stood infront of you, you would see where I was coming from!! but I also beleive you come back as something else, (life after death and all that) you know, a bird, or a flower, or something! I hope I havent confused too many people!!! :D
 
buddy1 said:
What I meant, was that I think that when a human dies, it is replaced, by something or someone, if you think about it, people die every second (i dont know the exact figures) and a baby is born every second (again, I dont know the exact number!!) i just look at it like this, when someone dies, almost instantly your place is taken by a new born baby, Im not very good at explaining this sort of theory in writing, i can garuntee if I was stood infront of you, you would see where I was coming from!! but I also beleive you come back as something else, (life after death and all that) you know, a bird, or a flower, or something! I hope I havent confused too many people!!! :D
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OK. I'm pretty sure I understand what you are saying; I just don't happen to think that the arrival of a new life either is dependent on the extinguishing of an old life or guaranteed by the loss of an old life. In other words I don't see arrivals and departurs as being connected in the cosmic sceme of things.
 
There was a time when I believed in nothing at all except what's in the physical reality here and now.

Back then I can't say I ever felt worried about what happens after I die. I didn't honestly think that my death was the end of my consciousness, but I wasn't afraid of the idea either. Nor was I afraid of the possibility of being judged for my actions and intentions in life. I very much believed that if Allah subhana wa ta'ana was real then He would understand if someone had never been introduced to Islam or if they had never had any incentive to look it up, so I wasn't afraid of finding out I'd been wrong after all.

For a very very long time I didn't believe in any form of omnipotent higher power, but rather I had the idea that the spiritual realm was how atheists (particularly scientific atheists) see the physical realm, another randomly evolving plane of existence with no creator to guide it.

My views have changed a lot since then.
 
The only thing that worries me is this idea of "the right religion"... it disturbs me to think people can imagine a god who is all powerful and all wise - but that they cannot seem to stretch their minds far enough to consider the possibility that if he/she is ultimately wise, the god might take into consideration the believers' sincerity in the way they worshipped and lived their lives, regardless of the precise religion that was available to them in their lifetime. It would be their fault, now would it? Otherwise, you forge yourselves a entity which seems to have the mind of an rigidly insecure fundamentalist, instead of an all wise, all knowing god.

That's just my take on it. And no... I don't worry myself with unsubstantiated supernatural eventualities.
 

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