Hittings and beating in the madrasas

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Salam, peace be with you

I had something to ask because I have no clue on this. I live in London, and around where I live there are quite a few madrasas. Now I have seen how they are, and have kids ranging anywhere from 5-15. I have met the teachers there, and they seem nice.

But one thing I cannot understand. Why do they hit and beat the children? That's what happens in the two Madrasas I have seen, and I'm sure it occurs elsewhere. The children, any of them, get slapped, hit with a stick, if they talk to others, give their reciting or some arabic wrong to the teacher..
There's also a lot of shouting and verbal attacks

And I now many will be like it is nothing. But it is. They are the young ones, when they grow up what will they associate with Islam? The beating they recieved for not being perfect? I know someone very close who has strayed from the path, and it hurts as I know a major reason is because of how they saw Islam as a younger in the madrasas.

Do the teachers not understand this? Is their any reason, Islamically or other wise that anyone can explain to me?
 
Wassalam Alaykum,

Yup it is SO common, we moved our little sis to a different mosque because of it, and now we have to move her to another one because it happens in that one aswell, hopefully the new madrassa would be better for my sis, since they have younger teachers who I think understand about this more. I think. And HOPE!

And like you're saying the children get beaten up if they make mistakes or sutin, it's not like that here, you get beaten up for nothing, if one child is being annoying and my sister happens to be sitting next to her she'll get wacked on the head with a book too, and when you confront them about it, they say sorry, we're ashamed of it, but it will make them stronger =| oh and it's rewarding for the children =\
 
Asslamu Aliakum.

Yeah...they shouldn't hit kids if they don't recite properly or if they made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. Beatings is not the answer. It's very harsh.
 
A good teacher is aware that a teacher does not teach anybody anything. A person learns, a person is not taught. A good teacher is one who understands children at what stage of learning they are in and presents material in the manner and method the child is ready to learn by.

Beating knowledge into a child does not work, if a child learns anything from that method of teaching, what they usually learn is how to avoid a beating by any means possible.
 
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Hmmm
Discipline and tolerance. Not that I agree with this but impressive. Reminds me of old times. But hey, look at the way we turned out and look at those who were slapped!
 
mahi said:
Salam, peace be with you

I had something to ask because I have no clue on this. I live in London, and around where I live there are quite a few madrasas. Now I have seen how they are, and have kids ranging anywhere from 5-15. I have met the teachers there, and they seem nice.

But one thing I cannot understand. Why do they hit and beat the children? That's what happens in the two Madrasas I have seen, and I'm sure it occurs elsewhere. The children, any of them, get slapped, hit with a stick, if they talk to others, give their reciting or some arabic wrong to the teacher..
There's also a lot of shouting and verbal attacks

And I now many will be like it is nothing. But it is. They are the young ones, when they grow up what will they associate with Islam? The beating they recieved for not being perfect? I know someone very close who has strayed from the path, and it hurts as I know a major reason is because of how they saw Islam as a younger in the madrasas.

Do the teachers not understand this? Is their any reason, Islamically or other wise that anyone can explain to me?
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What kind of teaching is that? They should keep it easy at children when they learn, otherwise they will have their schools out of children!!!! and they will kick people away from learning Islam and Quran !!
 
Rasema said:
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Hmmm
Discipline and tolerance. Not that I agree with this but impressive. Reminds me of old times. But hey, look at the way we turned out and look at those who were slapped!
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Salam

I too remember the days of being beat when not being able to lead a practise prayer at the age of 8 or 9. How have we turned out?

And to everyone else who replied, I guess everyone would agree it is wrong. That's something I wanted to see firstly with the original post. My second point is this. If this occurs, what can one do? What would you recommend? Any thing to be said?
Because seriously, if any of those teachers make any one of my young sisters cry, I would not be able to bear it.
 
Wa Salam

I too remember the days of being beat when not being able to lead a practise prayer at the age of 8 or 9. How have we turned out?
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Non- practicing family.
All I'm saying is that children need some fear.
 
:sl: SubhanAllah, I've just finished asking someone advice on this matter.

This is a problem, probably a big one. I am seeing it in my son's school-madrasa. I feel totally disheartened as we were told they do not physically punish children. My son comes home and tells me how some of the kids get beat. These beatings/strikes are severe enough to make the kids cry and I'm sure 11 year old boys do not cry in front of their class mates if they can help it. I hate my son seeing all this and thinking muslims can be violent over the smallest things like a child forgetting his lesson. :heated:
 
Salam,

May I ask if you would be able to share any advice?

And I know and can share everything you said there.
 
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Not only in Madrasah , our Govt. run schools have same problems. Teachers believe that students must get punishment , otherwise they won't obey them or listen and study.

In many schools , there is a budget for buying stick to hit students :(

In a survey , more than 80 % students said they got physically punishment in schools.
 
mahi said:
Salam,

May I ask if you would be able to share any advice?

And I know and can share everything you said there.
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Salam, mahi. :)

Not every madrasa allows their teachers beat their students.

And my advice is, don't let kids study in a madrasa where the teachers beat their students. Chose another madrasa. Maybe if they lose their students, this madrasa would change their teaching style.
 
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:sl: Akhi Mahi, I wanted to post this link yesterday, but it was late and I decided to leave until today. I advise you and others to contact the Muslim Parliament of GB. I am going to do the same inshaAllah. They have been fantastic in informing mosques/madrasahs of child protection laws with the aim to stop abuse of children. Obviously, some have either ignored the warning, or have been missed out.


If you open link below, you will see 'Child Protection in Faith Based Environments'. Everyone should bombard them with complaints. Also talk to other parents and approach the schools as one big group. If you go on your own, it makes it seem as if you are the only one with the problem and Allah forbid it makes things worse for your child.


http://www.muslimparliament.org.uk/


Let's make a big noise about it. We've got to make this stop inshaAllah.

:wa:
 
mahi said:
Salam, peace be with you

I had something to ask because I have no clue on this. I live in London, and around where I live there are quite a few madrasas. Now I have seen how they are, and have kids ranging anywhere from 5-15. I have met the teachers there, and they seem nice.

But one thing I cannot understand. Why do they hit and beat the children? That's what happens in the two Madrasas I have seen, and I'm sure it occurs elsewhere. The children, any of them, get slapped, hit with a stick, if they talk to others, give their reciting or some arabic wrong to the teacher..
There's also a lot of shouting and verbal attacks

And I now many will be like it is nothing. But it is. They are the young ones, when they grow up what will they associate with Islam? The beating they recieved for not being perfect? I know someone very close who has strayed from the path, and it hurts as I know a major reason is because of how they saw Islam as a younger in the madrasas.

Do the teachers not understand this? Is their any reason, Islamically or other wise that anyone can explain to me?
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Wa alaikum asalaam,

Brother, many if not all madaaris in UK do not allow any form of abuse anymore alhamdulillah. Those teachers that do, once reported to the heads of the madaaris are asked to leave and they are replaced. If you feel there is a problem, I suggest you speak to the individual in question or the principal of that madrassah and raise the issue with him.

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:sl: Akhi Mahi, I wanted to post this link yesterday, but it was late and I decided to leave until today. I advise you and others to contact the Muslim Parliament of GB. I am going to do the same inshaAllah. They have been fantastic in informing mosques/madrasahs of child protection laws with the aim to stop abuse of children. Obviously, some have either ignored the warning, or have been missed out.


If you open link below, you will see 'Child Protection in Faith Based Environments'. Everyone should bombard them with complaints. Also talk to other parents and approach the schools as one big group. If you go on your own, it makes it seem as if you are the only one with the problem and Allah forbid it makes things worse for your child.


http://www.muslimparliament.org.uk/


Let's make a big noise about it. We've got to make this stop inshaAllah.

:wa:
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I have become disillusioned with the "Muslim Parliament" after their bogus "Muslim Marriage Contract". Again, not my words.. but the words of Shaykh Haytham Haddad. See here for more info: Part 1, Part 2.

mahi, I don't know which city you reside in, but where I live we have a body which is recognised and respected by all the madaaris. This organisation (alongside the local council) has set up free training sessions for teachers and heads of madaaris in order to help deal with problemtic students without having to resort to any form of abuse, be it verbal or physical.

Perhaps you should see if any such organisation exists in your city? Or works towards starting one with some other concerned brothers and sisters inshaAllah?
 
:sl: Brother Far7an, I thank you for bringing that to our attention. I watched the whole 6 Parts. I had no idea and feel really disgusted at what they have done. I will still contact them with regards to the problem in mosques as they are doing a good job as far as that is concerned. But I will also voice my objection regarding the MMC. I hope others can do the same as if our brothers and sisters stray from the right Path, it is our duty to advise them inshaAllah. May Allah guide them. Ameen

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In my son's madrasah when a kid gets hit some some of them start chanting the NSPCC hotline number.
 
some of my friends husbands are a hafiz. they were born and raised in pakistan and they were beaten with a stick in class and stuff like this from an early age but they claim that if they had not gotton that disapline they would not know holy Qur'an today so i honestly do not know bro. it never had any mental effects on them. they are practicing muslims and treat my friends well and teach them holy Qur'an
 
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^^When a child, or anyone for that matter, is learning the Qur'an they should be enjoying it smiling, not learn out of fear. There should be a level of discipline of course, but not beat the tears out of kids...when they misbehave ok...punish some, but not for reasons such as making mistakes. We all struggle to learn, some struggle more than others..so beatings for that are totally uncalled for...
 
^ but not many kids enjoy it they'd rather be with their friends or playing PS3 instead of memorising Qur'an. I for 1 when I was little used to hate going to the masjid every day after school, I jus wanted to get in and chill.

But I was forced to go and hated it, was just told to memorise a book that I didn't even understand, and didn't really hold any significant value in my young eyes.

The only thing I cared about was hanging out with friends and playing Play station.

You do get some kids who enjoy it though I think they've had an Islamic education right from the beginning as soon as they were born.

And they actually understand the importance of what their reading.

They're not just told to go and sit in a room and memorise a book that's in another language like I was.

but your right they shouldn't be beaten to tears especially not for making mistakes it would help if it was made clear to them the importance of what their doing and the great benefits behind it.

Not just force them to memorise a book they know nothing about or where it came from.

and the beatings just make the child begin to hate learning the Qur'an cos of the pressure they're put under. so defo not good.
 

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