Homosexual Indoctrination in UK Schools - it's happening now

[Karl]

Hi Karl

I am the author of whom you speak, and yes the new book Totalitaria is equally relevant to Muslims as to Christians. The United Nations is working through a plan to create a global governance structure, but to do that they wanted to first make some social engineering changes to make people more receptive.

Their view is that "world peace" and "tolerance" require religions with firm doctrine, like Christianity and Islam, to be marginalised in favour of a new global religion based ultimately around what Christians and Muslims call the evil one, filtered through New Age and Buddhist principles. There is some evidence to suggest this crowd are trying to provoke Christian/Muslim conflict.

The whole plan, sourced from UN documents (there are nearly 500 footnotes and references in the book) is laid out in Totalitaria and will frankly shock you.

As I say in the book, regardless of whether readers believe in the supernatural part of the global governance plan, those behind it DO, and because they are in positions of considerable power they need to be taken seriously.

It's available from The Book Depository or Amazon in print or kindle form...I strongly urge people with good hearts everywhere to read it and wake up to what is coming...

Regards
Ian

Hi Ian
Is this "crowd" the Zionist plutocrats and all their sycophants, left and right wing? But how can they be defeated? They have so much wealth and power. Create war for profit and to poison the minds of the conquered. They have total power in the West and their tentacles are clawing at the East. How can they be stopped?

Regards
Karl

 

[Karl]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have heard in a long time. I don't know whether to laugh or cry ...

Yeah your right glo they will of course have test tube babies to keep their numbers up. Maybe even clone themselves.

 

[glo]

Karl, I really have no intentions to get involved in this thread. I have watched too many of these threads turn nasty and I have no taste for it.

But to think that 'liberal left people' will die out 'because they all turn gay' is just purely and simply ridiculous.
People's sexual orientation is genetically determined. There may be certain social factors which prevent people from being honest about their sexuality. It may also be that in a more liberal society people may feel free to 'dabble' in homosexual activity, if they have those kind of desires.

But no heterosexual person is going to 'turn' homosexual because of social freedom. Or vice versa. We are what we are.

Now I must got to bed. If I turn gay anytime soon, you will be the first to hear about it (or perhaps the second ... after my husband)

That's me done in this thread. Peace y'all.

 

[Karl]

Nice plug for another nonsense book.

Are you also the same Ian Wishart, publisher of Investigate magazine in NZ, who recently kicked up a storm by publishing an article which declared that young Muslim men "from Wogistan", described as followers of a "stone age religion" should not be permitted to use planes but should instead be obliged to travel by camel?

It was Richard Prosser a politician who said those things. He sounds like an atheist to me. He was just trying to get the bigot vote I suppose. But I think it backfired.
There is a Maori renaissance in New Zealand and their culture and religion was stone age, literally. And they were called "wogs" and other derogatory remarks by the arrogant British. So these kinds of statements cause a lot of flak.

 

[جوري]

People's sexual orientation is genetically determined

There's no scientific research that proves that to be true.

 

[ardianto]

People's sexual orientation is genetically determined.

Everyone born as heterosexual but has potency as bisexual. This potency to being bisexual can be very low and can not be felt, but can be high enough or very high. In some cases it can make someone attracted only to same gender. This potency of bisexual can be high can be low is depend on external factors when they are growing up.

There may be certain social factors which prevent people from being honest about their sexuality.

Yes.

It may also be that in a more liberal society people may feel free to 'dabble' in homosexual activity, if they have those kind of desires.

Yes too.

In one thread I told a 17 years old boy to not being DJ in club. I have ever felt 'club world' and I knew behavior of people in this 'night world'. Not all of them, of course. But in this 'night world' people are not ashamed to be engaged in homosexual activity.

But no heterosexual person is going to 'turn' homosexual because of social freedom. Or vice versa. We are what we are.

Sexual orientation built when a person growing older since childhood. If a man is heterosexual when he reach puberty age, he will not turn into homosexual, but still has potency to engaged in homosexual activity then later enjoy it.

There are various factors that can make someone interested to feel homosexual activity. But if someone has ability to hold the desire, he can ignore this temptation. And ability to hold this desire is very affected by his view on homosexuality. If he believe that homosexuality is wrong and morally unacceptable. so he will focus his desire only to women.

I was not a 'house boy' who just stayed at home and knew about the outer world only from magazine, but I really lived among people from various behavior. I have met many people, I have seen many things in life.

If I against campaign to make homosexuality accepted as normal, it's not because I believe that heterosexual can turn into homosexual, but because I don't want the young generation have interest to feel and engaged in homosexual activity.

 

[جوري]

Sexual orientation built when a person growing older since childhood.

Is that why Cynthia Nixon decided and after 15 years of marriage & two kids to turn gay?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090942/Cynthia-Nixon-Im-gay-choice.html

It is a great deal of BS that's going on here. Plain & simple.. there's no 'potency' there's just depravity and the same goes for any other sin from which we're forbidden, except some sins are more cardinal than others!
Let's not coax the kaffirs on to appear more appealing to them. Islam isn't gonna be Christianity so let the vultures hover over every thread & be met with disappointment :ia:

 

[Abdullah101]

Every person on this earth is here because life is a test. Some people could be born homosexual, and their test in life is to not fall into sin. Homosexuality isn't something I would consider disgusting, rather the sin behind it. So indeed, for a Homosexual Muslim to resist temptation and become pure and caste, dedicating his life to Allah, that's more honorable

 

[Aprender]

Are you following the same thread or maybe some things are not being properly comprehended? Most of the Muslims in this thread don't deny that we should treat homosexual people with kindness. The issue here is the way there are some individuals who think it's OK to teach children and other people who might have homosexual urges to give into those urges instead of being pure and chaste.

You have people here on this thread who claim to be Muslims and Christians who think they know better than Allah, even though it is clear in His books, who say that homosexuality is not a sin and that it is OK to be intimate with someone of the same gender simply because they love each other.

The issue here is that there are people who are encouraging the behavior instead of encouraging them to resist the temptations. In the secular world that might be fine with them and moral in their eyes but to those of us who want to follow the path and the guidance that Allah has sent to us, then it's not OK. That's what this discussion is about.

You're an atheist?

 

[جوري]

Abu Huraira narrates that the Messenger of God (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Verily a person utters a word, that he deems harmless, but it results in his falling into the depths of the Hellfire.” [Tirmidhi; Ibn Majah]

 

[Independent]

Once again, there is a whole thread about an issue that barely seems to exist outside of a few schools. Also, what is happening here is not 'sex education' but provision of alternative role models. Otherwise, a story about prince marrying a princess could be termed 'sex education'.

As for the old question are people gay by nature or nurture: the scientific debate is ongoing and inconclusive. No point in committing one way or the other for now. But whatever the cause, most gays say that they feel a compulsion, or a sense of difference, from a very early stage. At a pre sexual stage - before they even knew what is involved in a relationship.

3 of my oldest friends are gay and all of them felt pressured into trying heterosexual relationships first. in fact, two of them were especially attractive to women and could get girlfriends at the drop of a hat. (Which says something curious about the rules of attraction.) But they all knew in their hearts that they were gay and eventually that's the path they chose. This was better for them, and better for women.

Despite what is said about western society, on balance the pressure remains heavily in favour of heterosexuality. I also note that the suicide rate among young gay-interested children is 6 times the normal average. Again, a reflection of societal and sometimes family pressure.

Do role models make a difference? Yes they do, but people only respond because of something that's in them already. Eliminating every mention of homosexuality from culture will not change them from being homosexuals, although it may certainly discourage them from acting according to their natures.

People may try gay experiences if culture permits, but this freedom rarely if ever actually 'turns' them gay. Homosexuality is in every culture without exception, although it may be totally hidden by necessity. It's a testament to the overwhelming power of human emotions that people are still gay in societies where they risk severe abuse and even death. Plainly, they are not acting out of some idle curiosity, but by the most profound compulsion possible.

I don't know how this fits in with moral rules and regulations but nevertheless that is the actual condition of the world and human nature. This issue seems to bring out the worst in people and there is far too much enthusiasm taken, if not actual relish, in handing out punishment.

 

[ardianto]

But whatever the cause, most gays say that they feel a compulsion, or a sense of difference, from a very early stage. At a pre sexual stage - before they even knew what is involved in a relationship.

3 of my oldest friends are gay and all of them felt pressured into trying heterosexual relationships first. in fact, two of them were especially attractive to women and could get girlfriends at the drop of a hat. (Which says something curious about the rules of attraction.) But they all knew in their hearts that they were gay and eventually that's the path they chose. This was better for them, and better for women.

My childhood friend got married and got divorced four times. Yes, he is gay. One public figure in my country planned to get married few times, but still unmarried until now in mid of 40's age. He is my childhood friend too. I am not surprised if people say he is gay. Actually I didn't see something different when he was kid, but I began to see something different when he was in late of his teen age.

It's not easy for male gays to try to be heterosexual, but it will be easier for male heterosexual to involved and later enjoying homosexuality. It's because the role which they must take in start relationship.

When a male gay start relationship with a woman, he must take position as a man. And without enough interest to woman, he will not able to play his role. Different than male heterosexual who start homosexual relationship which usually he takes position as 'female'. He is in 'pasive' position. Later he can enjoy it. Like few of my friends.

Do role models make a difference? Yes they do, but people only respond because of something that's in them already. Eliminating every mention of homosexuality from culture will not change them from being homosexuals, although it may certainly discourage them from acting according to their natures.

People may try gay experiences if culture permits, but this freedom rarely if ever actually 'turns' them gay. Homosexuality is in every culture without exception, although it may be totally hidden by necessity. It's a testament to the overwhelming power of human emotions that people are still gay in societies where they risk severe abuse and even death. Plainly, they are not acting out of some idle curiosity, but by the most profound compulsion possible.

Trying gay experience will not turn a man into 100% gay who is not interested to women. But it can make them like homosexual relationship, even some of them may be will prefer homosexual relationship than heterosexual relationship.

Without culture permits, few people still try gay experience, and if with culture permits?. Their number will going bigger!

Like I have said, basically human have potency to be bisexual, although usually this potency is very low and cannot be felt. But external factors can make this potency going higher and they start to have interest to same gender.

But there are factors that can prevent them to fall into homosexual activity, religious value and cultural values which homosexuality is unacceptable. These values is like a 'brake' for them. And if they are taught that homosexuality is normal and acceptable, they would lose this 'brake'. Finally they can choose to have partner in heterosexual or homosexual relationship.

This is what I don't want to be happen to young people.

 

[جوري]

This is a bunch of absurd nonsense.
Do you jump people simply for having an overwhelming attraction and intense emotions for them? If you were a heterosexual and tried that, I believe they'd call it rape or stalking and a whole bunch of other things many which would land you with a restraining order or in jail. Why is animalism all of a sudden allowed for homos because they really can't help themselves? And if they can't then thanks for admitting that this is indeed a disease state!
We don't learn about homosexuality in genetics we learn about it in the DSM and certainly DSM-II of 1973 differs in its classifications than the DSM-IV, and that's because of heavy lobbying. Everyday a new allowance because of people like that fellow above, whose sole purpose is to deviate every reality and make it more and more permissible more and more common stream so that even the slightest objection renders you a pariah, intolerant, backwards, dogmatic or whatever BS they concoct.
It is also not a 'handful of schools' and certainly not reserved for British schools as we see it here slowly a part of the curriculum precisely why many westerners not just Muslims prefer to homeschool. Not everyone wants outside interference in how their children are brought up and what they should consider main stream normalcy, furthermore people don't want a secular state to define for them what is good and moral or else you're intolerant and 'homophobic' I am not even sure what that phobia constitutes!
Let's cut the crap if you want to promote homoerotica by citing your friend's stories then do it in some support group this is the wrong place for it!

 

[ardianto]

And if they can't then thanks for admitting that this is indeed a disease state!

I indeed regard homosexuality as disease, that's why I have sympathy for those who are suffering from this disease, but I don't have sympathy for those who enjoy this disease, and really contra to those who try to infect other people with this disease.

Let's cut the crap if you want to promote homoerotica by citing your friend's stories then do it in some support group this is the wrong place for it!

No, I do not promote homoerotica. I just showed a reality that how easy someone fall into homosexual activity. And we should aware that it can be happen to someone in our families.

 

[جوري]

No, I do not promote homoerotica. I just showed a reality that how easy someone fall into homosexual activity. And we should aware that it can be happen to someone in our families.

For what it is worth I didn't read your post but the one before it.
People can fall into sin by choice yes I agree!

 

[Insaanah]

Once again, there is a whole thread about an issue that barely seems to exist outside of a few schools.

This is an issue of widespread concern, for it strikes at the very root, the very basic unit of society. This is a matter of major concern to many parents from various faith communities.

Section 403(1A)(a) of the Education Act 1996 imposes a duty on the Secretary of State to “issue guidance” to ensure that pupils “learn the nature of marriage and its importance for family life and the bringing up of children” as part of sex education.
Now that the legal definition of marriage will include what is labelled as same-sex marriage, the law will require that children learn about gay marriage as part of sex education. Sex education is mandatory in secondary schools. Many primary schools also choose to teach sex education in some form. Wherever the subject is taught, the law requiring teaching about the importance of marriage applies.

http://c4m.org.uk/downloads/schools.pdf

Currently schools have to show that homosexuality is normal.

From 5 April 2011 public bodies need to ensure they comply with the general equality duty. Under the general duty, in Section 149 of the Equality Act, all public bodies need to have due regard to:

(a) eliminate discrimination, harassment, victimisation and any other conduct prohibited by the Act;

(b) advance equality of opportunity between people who share a relevant protected characteristic and people who do not share it – for example, heterosexual people and gay people

(c) foster good relations between people who share a relevant protected characteristic and people who do not share it.

This means that public bodies must now actively show they accommodate the needs of their gay service-users in the design and delivery of public services like education

Source: Stonewall

For many schools, this is done by promoting gayness as being normal, and showing to government institutions that they are actively doing this and complying with the regulations.

Mr O’Neill, an expert on human rights, was asked to advise on the impact redefining marriage to include same-sex couples could have on schools, churches, hospitals, foster carers and public buildings.

Among his conclusions was that schools could be within their statutory rights to dismiss staff who wilfully fail to use stories or textbooks promoting same-sex weddings.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ack-for-refusing-to-promote-gay-marriage.html

Schools will have to show what they are doing to promote equality (including sexual orientation), and this will apply to primary schools as well (the youngest pupils are 5 years old).

Like I have said, basically human have tendency to be bisexual

We have to very careful when making such statements, whether this is what we've been told in Qur'an and hadeeth.

Apart from the first 22 or so posts, and the odd post in between, much of this thread is discussing homosexuality in general, rather than the specific issue of schools. We've had many threads on homosexuality in general which tend to go on ad nauseum, with no real benefit for anyone. We'll see how this thread goes...

 

[ardianto]

We have to very careful when making such statements, whether this is what we've been told in Qur'an and hadeeth.

Oops, sorry. I mean "potency" not "tendency". Yes, these two words have very different meaning and can cause misunderstanding.



Edit: Sis Insaanah, can you edit my word in quoted post, and then delete this post?

 

[جوري]

Oops, sorry. I mean "potency" not "tendency". Yes, these two words have very different meaning and can cause misunderstanding.



Edit: Sis Insaanah, can you edit my word in quoted post, and then delete this post?

I don't think either of those are true or make a difference in meaning- that's a personal opinion and not a fact!

 

[Aprender]

but I don't have sympathy for those who enjoy this disease, and really contra to those who try to infect other people with this disease.

[4:118] Allah did curse him, but he (Satan) said: "I will take of Thy servants a portion Marked off;

[4:119] "I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by Allah." Whoever, forsaking Allah, takes satan for a friend, hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest.

 

[theplains]

I know because that is what :Allah::swt: teaches

best,

Would you provide a link please for the Islamic scriptures that teach this?

Peace,
Jim