Homosexuality; Nature or Nurture

[Independent]

I too have gay friends and they say just same. That are born as gay.

My gay friends say the same. Even before they were sexual, they felt 'different' without understanding why. Many of them tried to be heterosexual (because even in the west there is societal pressure to be straight) but emotionally felt nothing. They have absolutely no reason to be lying, there is no benefit (quite the opposite).

Would people prefer it if gays pretended to be straight and got married? Is that the way to happiness? Is that that fair for both spouses? How would you feel if you ended up marrying a gay partner, who after all was only doing what they were told to do?

The latest research suggests not a gay gene exactly, but an 'epigentic influence' - ie the hormonal environment in which the genes are expressed. This may also be inherited, but not in the DNA.

See: http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...title/Can-Epigenetics-Explain-Homosexuality-/

The articles concludes with an interesting question:

“Should we test this? Is it important for us to know?” asked McCarthy. “Homosexuality is not a disease, it’s part of natural human variation. I’m not sure there’s a good reason to delve this deeply into it. I think we’ve reached the point that we have enough evidence that there’s a biological basis for sexual orientation.” It would be more helpful to people to get a better handle on the epigenetics of cancer or mental illness, she added.

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

We can´t say that sexual abuse is only with homosexuals. Much more it is with heterosexuals.

:hmm:

 

[Ramadan90]

I have heard as well few muslims that I know who feel that they were "born" gay. But does that really matter? A true muslim believer who feel an attraction to the same gender WILL pass this test. This should be seen as a difficult test. And the one who pass it will receive so much from Allah.

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

You are right brother. Don´t we say as Allah test those He loves the most?

Why we should turn our eyes away then from them and think they are worse than we are?

 

[Ramadan90]

Salam alaykum

You are right brother. Don´t we say as Allah test those He loves the most?

Why we should turn our eyes away then from them and think they are worse than we are?

You are absolutely right. Allah does test those he loves the most and we shouldnt turn away from muslim people who have an attraction to the same gender. We should help them to overcome this problem and help them to control themselves. We should not bash them or/and turn away from them.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

It's a bit unfair to say that they were destroyed by divine will just because they slept with men.

There are many verses in the Qur'aan that say so...

"The people of Lut rejected the messengers. Behold, their brother Lut said to them: “Will ye not fear (Allaah)? I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust. So fear Allaah and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds. Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allaah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!”
They said: “If thou desist not, O Lut! Thou wilt assuredly be cast out!”
He said: “I do detest your doings.” (Surat Ash-Shuara: 160-168)

We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.”
And his people gave no answer but this: they said, “Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!”(Surat Al-Araf: 80-82)

And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: “Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?” But his people gave no answer but this: they said: “Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth.” (Surat Al-Ankabut: 28-29)

The people of Lut rejected (his) warning. We sent against them a violent Tornado with showers of stones, (which destroyed them), except Lut's household: them We delivered by early Dawn,- As a Grace from Us: thus do We reward those who give thanks. And (Lut) did warn them of Our Punishment, but they disputed about the Warning. (Surat Al-Qamar:, 33-36)

But the (mighty) Blast overtook them before morning, And We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay. Behold! in this are Signs for those who by tokens do understand. And the (cities were) right on the high-road. (Surat Al-Hijr: 73-76)

When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer on layer,-Marked as from thy Lord: Nor are they ever far from those who do wrong! (Surah Hud: 82-83)

But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! : Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. (Surat Ash-Shuara: 172-175)

 

[May Ayob]

Why we should turn our eyes away then from them and think they are worse than we are?

I hope you feel the same about those who live in poverty and conditions far worse, why should people shun them off just because they are downtrodden. MayGod help them and grant them His love and mercy. This is my last post here my best wishes to all the members in this forum.
:wa:

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I think Allah test us others too - as how we react others, the gays. We should remember to behave with them as anyone else, not all the time think they are sinners.

:embarrass

 

[Iceee]

Salam alaykum

I think Allah test us others too - as how we react others, the gays. We should remember to behave with them as anyone else, not all the time think they are sinners.

:embarrass

Actually, gays aren't sinners unless they do an act of homosexuality. Just like straight people aren't sinners unless they do act of fornication.

I remember one of my friends invited me to his house so we can finish a project, (we were 16) he never acted differently or anything. He was and still is a very nice friend. It wasn't until later on (last year) did he tell me and me only that he was gay.
I didn't go around telling everyone, I didn't even look at him as a different person, we are after-all human beings; God's creation. I'm guessing he was born gay, it wasn't a choice. He even said that his parents want him to get married to a wonderful woman but he's still thinking about it. May Allah Subhanahuwatallah guide him to the right path.

It's God's will now, not ours and we can't stop homosexuality.

Another thing; Where I live, Homosexuality is allowed and encouraged among the youth. If you go up to any gay person, they will say that they were born that way. It isn't a choice. Gays are allowed to join our countries military. They can also become parents adopting a child or other means of having their own children. In Toronto, we even have our own "Gay-District" I don't know whether your views are on homosexuality, but it shouldn't matter. Canada encourages openness and that in my opinion is a good thing.

 

[Iceee]

Would people prefer it if gays pretended to be straight and got married? Is that the way to happiness? Is that that fair for both spouses? How would you feel if you ended up marrying a gay partner, who after all was only doing what they were told to do?

That would be awkward but some people feel as though maybe they can save that person from homosexual urges by getting them married to the opposite gender.

In Grade 6, two homosexual people, one male and one female came over to our classroom to talk to our class about their community. Both were gay but were married to the opposite gender. (Not each-other). They had kids with their spouse but they never "felt the happiness" just like a lot of straight-married people feel.

-Someone in our class said that those two people don't look gay and the two speakers explained that gays look the same as straight people and vise-versa.

-I asked what happened to their marriages after their spouse found out about their sexual orientation. They replied by saying that they take care of their children still, but they refrain from anything sexual between them and their spouse. They are still married to them however.

 

[Independent]

-I asked what happened to their marriages after their spouse found out about their sexual orientation. They replied by saying that they take care of their children still, but they refrain from anything sexual between them and their spouse. They are still married to them however.

People will make great sacrifices for their children and they are to be applauded for that. But to me, it would have been better if they had never felt under pressure to get married in the first place.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to place such pressure on gays must accept that it's ok if they personally end up marrying someone who is, in fact, not sexually interested in them at all. Because that's the consequence.

 

[Iceee]

People will make great sacrifices for their children and they are to be applauded for that. But to me, it would have been better if they had never felt under pressure to get married in the first place.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to place such pressure on gays must accept that it's ok if they personally end up marrying someone who is, in fact, not sexually interested in them at all. Because that's the consequence.

I guess society tells children that each child must have a Mother and a Father. Not two of the same or one parent.

That's what changes people. I know friends who are jealous that they are living with a single mother because their father left. The child will hate every person who is living with both parents. (Not really hate, but will cause jealousy.)

The argument is in a lot of cases; should two people of the same gender have a child?

Looking back at the two gay people which came and talk to our class; There are some people who aren't into sex as other people are. They just want to get married, have kids, and then get old. People that are looking for sex shouldn't IMO get married because it usually leads to divorce. Just my opinion.

 

[Abu Loren]

Another thing; Where I live, Homosexuality is allowed and encouraged among the youth.

SHOCKING!

I know Canada is not an Islamic state but in Islam this would be considered as making something halal that was haram.

In Toronto, we even have our own "Gay-District" I don't know whether your views are on homosexuality, but it shouldn't matter.

They should rename that city Sodom.

I'm just saddened by your easily acceptance of homosexuality. You admitted the act is a sin yet you condone it. May be it's not you but the society you live in.

 

[Iceee]

I'm just saddened by your easily acceptance of homosexuality. You admitted the act is a sin yet you condone it. May be it's not you but the society you live in.

Let's say your best friend is gay. What do you do? Tell him it's wrong? Tell others about him? Make him feel uneasy?

It's not society. People ARE indeed born gay, we can't change that. We can make society right for them so they, "come out of the closet."

 

[Abu Loren]

Let's say your best friend is gay. What do you do? Tell him it's wrong? Tell others about him? Make him feel uneasy?

It's not society. People ARE indeed born gay, we can't change that. We can make society right for them so they, "come out of the closet."

My friend what you are doing is picking things you like from Islam and ignoring others. Homosexuality is a clear SIN and is forbidden.

Serious question - Do you have homosexual tendencies?

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

As I have understood; being homosexual is not a sin, just behave as homosexual is a sin.

Why we lost so much time and energy with this matter at all?

:nervous:

It is boring.

 

[Abu Loren]

Salam alaykum

As I have understood; being homosexual is not a sin, just behave as homosexual is a sin.

Why we lost so much time and energy whith this matter at all?

:nervous:

It is boring.

If you're bored move on to something else. Homosexuality is an important subject. It's bovious you don't have any understanding of the matter.

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

Why homosexuality is so important matter then? We all know act is a sin? Do we need to repeat it here in forum again and again?

 

[Iceee]

Salam alaykum

As I have understood; being homosexual is not a sin, just behave as homosexual is a sin.

Why we lost so much time and energy with this matter at all?

:nervous:

It is boring.

Salaam.

Actually if you read my first post, I have a debate tomorrow for my Psychology class whether or not someone is born gay or it's learned through society or is it a choice?

 

[Karl]

If people are born homosexual wouldn't homosexuals eventually die out since they lack the means to reproduce? :hmm:

Can all people with sexual deviance's play the born this way card? Can a pedophile say, "I was born with this inclination towards children its not my fault why are you blaming me, this is the way god made me why should I be punished for acting upon desires that were with me from birth, I'm naturally like this."

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Child marriage is halal. Muhammad (PBUH) married a six year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old. So by modern Zionist standards he would be labelled as a paedophile. The enemies of Islam are always raving on about Muhammad (PBUH) as being a "child molester" "predator" and all that other hysterical nonsense. The anti paedophile hysteria was created to attack Islam and other religions where child marriage is ok eg Christianity, Hindu etc. It has been brought about by Godless left wing loonies that promote homosexuality, fornication, pornography, prostitution and every form of filth as long as the participants are 18 years or more old. They will scream in moral outrage against child marriage and the Prophet, these hypocrites of Satan.