Homosexuality; Nature or Nurture

[Tyrion]

Child marriage is halal. Muhammad (PBUH) married a six year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old. So by modern Zionist standards he would be labelled as a paedophile. The enemies of Islam are always raving on about Muhammad (PBUH) as being a "child molester" "predator" and all that other hysterical nonsense. The anti paedophile hysteria was created to attack Islam and other religions where child marriage is ok eg Christianity, Hindu etc. It has been brought about by Godless left wing loonies that promote homosexuality, fornication, pornography, prostitution and every form of filth as long as the participants are 18 years or more old. They will scream in moral outrage against child marriage and the Prophet, these hypocrites of Satan.

Well, it's not so much modern zionist standards as it is regular modern standards. Things may have been different enough a thousand years ago where this would have been fine for both parties, I don't know... But we know that modern children are not suited for marriage at such young ages. To ignore this just because people did it 1400 years ago is ignorant.

I know Canada is not an Islamic state but in Islam this would be considered as making something halal that was haram.

Homosexuals who want to get married don't want an Islamic marriage. They aren't considered married in the context of Islam. Also, as a side note, the government shouldn't be in the business of forcing a religion down peoples throats.

 

[Tyrion]

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to place such pressure on gays must accept that it's ok if they personally end up marrying someone who is, in fact, not sexually interested in them at all. Because that's the consequence.

I think a lot of Muslims would say this is okay, and I'm sure you've noticed that a lot of our members don't agree with the idea of marrying someone because you love them... It's seen as (only) a duty to a lot of people. I'm not sure I agree with them though.

 

[Iceee]

I think a lot of Muslims would say this is okay, and I'm sure you've noticed that a lot of our members don't agree with the idea of marrying someone because you love them... It's seen as a duty to a lot of people. I'm not sure I agree with them though.

It's not seen. It IS A DUTY! Get married, if you feel like you love them enough and have enough financial support and emotional support, have children.

I believe that personally, if a Muslim believes and is born gay, stay away from homosexuality and get married with the opposite gender! Why? Because Allah Subhanahuwatallah would like that more.

 

[Iceee]

Originally Posted by Karl
Child marriage is halal. Muhammad (PBUH) married a six year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old. So by modern Zionist standards he would be labelled as a paedophile. The enemies of Islam are always raving on about Muhammad (PBUH) as being a "child molester" "predator" and all that other hysterical nonsense. The anti paedophile hysteria was created to attack Islam and other religions where child marriage is ok eg Christianity, Hindu etc. It has been brought about by Godless left wing loonies that promote homosexuality, fornication, pornography, prostitution and every form of filth as long as the participants are 18 years or more old. They will scream in moral outrage against child marriage and the Prophet, these hypocrites of Satan.

Well, it's not so much modern zionist standards as it is regular modern standards. Things may have been different enough a thousand years ago where this would have been fine for both parties, I don't know... But we know that modern children are not suited for marriage at such young ages. To ignore this just because people did it 1400 years ago is ignorance.

Salaam.

I think we all agree that the age that you can get married at was way different than it is today. In Canada, you have to be 18 to get married. You can go to jail if you marry anyone 16 or below. I think that's the case for most countries nowadays.

 

[Karl]

Well, it's not so much modern zionist standards as it is regular modern standards. Things may have been different enough a thousand years ago where this would have been fine for both parties, I don't know... But we know that modern children are not suited for marriage at such young ages. To ignore this just because people did it 1400 years ago is ignorant.

For your information halal is forever and is not affected by secular fads, fashions and junk science. Child marriage still goes on in the Muslim world as it is halal. What's 1400 years ago got to do with anything? Where do you get the idea that "modern" children are any different from one or two thousand years ago. The United Nations and other Red Terror organizations are responsible for instigating the new intolerant bigotry against child marriage. This is a secularist and anti Islam mentality. At the end of the day it is the prerogative of a father when he deems it ok for any of his offspring to get married NOT a collective of Godless busybody lefty liberals to usurp his authority.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Child marriage is halal. Muhammad (PBUH) married a six year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old. .

want to explain a little more to avoid any possible confusion . It was not a forced marriage . Aishra ra went to Prophet's res when she reaches at her puberty / after having her mens ; thus she was considered as adult when started her married life .

And Allah Knows Best.

 

[Karl]

want to explain a little more to avoid any possible confusion . It was not a forced marriage . Aishra ra went to Prophet's res when she reaches at her puberty / after having her mens ; thus she was considered as adult when started her married life .

And Allah Knows Best.

That is correct. It was not a forced marriage. No problem at all. However under the Red Terror dogmas of the United Nations it would be considered a "crime against humanity". lol. But to hell with the UN though. Most of the dogmas they try and spread around the globe are patently anti Islamic. No good Muslim should embrace the UN Red Terror at all. I would also like to point out that it is also halal for a prepubescent to live under her husband's roof if that is the arrangement the family have agreed to. It is however is advised that actual coitus is avoided until the girl attains puberty as it may cause some physical harm if she is not physically ready.

 

[Iceee]

That is correct. It was not a forced marriage. No problem at all. However under the Red Terror dogmas of the United Nations it would be considered a "crime against humanity". lol. But to hell with the UN though. Most of the dogmas they try and spread around the globe are patently anti Islamic. No good Muslim should embrace the UN Red Terror at all. I would also like to point out that it is also halal for a prepubescent to live under her husband's roof if that is the arrangement the family have agreed to. It is however is advised that actual coitus is avoided until the girl attains puberty as it may cause some physical harm if she is not physically ready.

Salaam.

It's halal but a lot of people know why a man marries such a young girl. There's no way even me (an 18 year old) would marry a girl 17 or under. Not because I'm scared of the Law but also for reasons we all know.

Plus, what's a 9 year old girl going to do? Clean the house?

I have the debate tomorrow inshallah on whether or not we are born gay or is it learned through society. Going to go to sleep. Please close this thread, Ja'Zakullah and Salaam all.

 

[Tyrion]

I have the debate tomorrow inshallah on whether or not we are born gay or is it learned through society. Going to go to sleep. Please close this thread, Ja'Zakullah and Salaam all.

Well, what are you taking from the thread? Which side will you debate on now?

 

[Karl]

Salaam.

It's halal but a lot of people know why a man marries such a young girl. There's no way even me (an 18 year old) would marry a girl 17 or under. Not because I'm scared of the Law but also for reasons we all know.

And what reasons, may I ask are THEY? "for reason we ALL know"? I don't, so illuminate me on this. To begin with a 17 year old is NOT a "girl", it is a WOMAN. In fact my race are fully grown young adults by age TWELVE. Tell me why you would marry an 18 year old woman but not a 17 year old woman?? Doesn''t make one bit of sense to me.

Plus, what's a 9 year old girl going to do? Clean the house?

Yes she can clean the house, but females of my race are past menses by that age so therefore they are also ready to consummate the marriage as well.

 

[Tyrion]

Child marriage still goes on in the Muslim world

Plenty of stuff still goes on in the Muslim world. I don't think you want to use that as your standard for what's right or wrong.

 

[Karl]

Plenty of stuff still goes on in the Muslim world. I don't think you want to use that as your standard for what's right or wrong.

As I keep saying over and over again, heterosexual marriage, no matter what the lunar ages of the pair is HALAL, not "wrong". Plain and simple and indisputable. Whereas homosexuality is haram no matter what the age the two happen to be. The (anti-Islamic) UN Red Terror of course zealously spread their ageist 18+ homosexuality around the globe in the name of "human rights". They try to shove homosexuality down everyone's throats.

 

[Iceee]

Well, what are you taking from the thread? Which side will you debate on now?

Salaam.

It was a crazy classroom. I was to debate against my teacher but a girl in our classroom wanted to debate against me for some reason. So we went infront of the 25 students and the teacher and we started. I was nice and let her choose what side she was on; she chose we are born gay (which is what I wanted). I disagreed and it began.

I guess whatever was said on this thread was said. She got really intense and so did I. I had to use some science in order to prove my final point which was:

No, we're born NEITHER homosexual or heterosexual. We're born asexual. As we grow older, we are instinctively driven towards the opposite gender. Being gay is not natural (I'm not trying to be a ****. I mean it's in any animal's nature to reproduce, and you can't do that if you're gay. If you're gay, then there's something wrong with you (nothing wrong with being gay, just wrong in the sense that you can't reproduce which is what we humans are driven to do)).

After this, the teacher stopped us. She said there was no winner. What we said, the way we said it, and our sources (how much information made sense), would be the stuff being marked. More debates to come...

And what reasons, may I ask are THEY? "for reason we ALL know"? I don't, so illuminate me on this. To begin with a 17 year old is NOT a "girl", it is a WOMAN. In fact my race are fully grown young adults by age TWELVE. Tell me why you would marry an 18 year old woman but not a 17 year old woman?? Doesn''t make one bit of sense to me.

Salaam.

Well, In Canada, we have an age that we can get married at.

I agree that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) married a pre-teen as well. But nowadays, society wouldn't approve. I mean the girl would be to young. It would be nice for me to get married and my wife help my mother clean our home. But how about for sexual reasons which is a big thing. You can't be doing this with a girl so young. Maybe it is the society we are living in nowadays that changes our opinions.

Please close this thread. Ja'Zakullah for everyones help and opinions.

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[sister herb]

Salam alykum

Sorry about mess in your class room. Quite of mess this question caused here too.

:embarrass We should learn to talk about kind of matters peacefully.

I agree:

 

[Hulk]

Isn't it silly that you would debate against something you agree with, and stand on the side that you disagree with. If the intention of a debate is to merely win an argument then I suppose it makes sense but if the intention is to seek the truth then it's strange.

 

[Muslim Woman]

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