how christian women view muslim women

[cool_jannah]

Actually this is my own opinion. But I would argue with anyone, regardless of their religion that they have sexual desires and fantasies. Some may choose not to admit to them, but they have them.

Admiting the fact that you have sexual desires does'nt mean that you flirt around the opposite sex..and one of the worst crimes that is adultry or fornication starts off with a nice gentle beautiful smile. So it is all about controlling your desires. This religion of Islam is all about controlling your Nafs(Soul/desire). Allah created those feelings..and ordered us to use them in a way which is good for us. We may not realize it though until we are in that situation. You can ask those people who are mentally disturbed all their lives just because of their unlawful relations with strange men/women. So use these desires in a proper way. Islam offers you the middle path...and
it is forbidden in Islam to behave like those popes who do not marrying at all. Sexual desires are a means of test for us. all the blessings and sowrrows are a test for a true believer.

 

[Knut Hamsun]

Admiting the fact that you have sexual desires does'nt mean that you flirt around the opposite sex..and one of the worst crimes that is adultry or fornication starts off with a nice gentle beautiful smile. So it is all about controlling your desires.

If they are YOURS, why don't you do something to harness them, instead of having someone else change b/c you can't control yourself. It is like a diet-fanatic asking that all food be covered/hidden and that no one should eat infront of them, right? Muslims believe in free will, right? Control your own self, I say.

Sexual desires are a means of test for us

So, why don't you cover your own eyes instead of a woman's body? That should pass the test, eh?

 

[renak]

Admiting the fact that you have sexual desires does'nt mean that you flirt around the opposite sex..and one of the worst crimes that is adultry or fornication starts off with a nice gentle beautiful smile. So it is all about controlling your desires. This religion of Islam is all about controlling your Nafs(Soul/desire). Allah created those feelings..and ordered us to use them in a way which is good for us. We may not realize it though until we are in that situation. You can ask those people who are mentally disturbed all their lives just because of their unlawful relations with strange men/women. So use these desires in a proper way. Islam offers you the middle path...and
it is forbidden in Islam to behave like those popes who do not marrying at all. Sexual desires are a means of test for us. all the blessings and sowrrows are a test for a true believer.

If a man or woman is going to commit adultry or fornication, they have already resigned to this fact, prior to viewing someone sexy. If a person can't control themselves when faced with desire, it means they harbor issues far greater than lust.

Let's say I get angry with my husband, and for a brief moment I want him dead. Luckily, I can control myself, and through rational thought processes, I will not shoot him. I think the same could/should be applied to sexual restraint. However, if an individual is so weak, they can't control their anger or lust, they are really no stronger than a small child, or animal. I believe that Allah wants us to mature and learn to control ourselves.

 

[Nicola]

That its just normal attire for us to wear.

I have a number of close Muslim girl friends...some married some divorced...though they cover their arms, legs...they do not wear the black full outfit (face covering)..I've never questioned them...but have seen other women covered..I believe, if the woman wants to wear this attire...I'm all for it and happy for them...if it is the husband telling the wife what to wear and she didn't want to wear such attire.....then I'd be on the side of the woman she should wear what she is comfortable with.

Little do they realize they are the ones actually being programmed and brainwashed,
by the media and magazines and fashion houses they are actually being told what to wear and how they should look,.

I agree totaly with you..and who runs the main media...Satan. It is true these people are brainwashed and being lead away from God.

I personaly do not keep up with fashion...I have my own style of dress and dress modestly. I have no need to show myself to men..because I am very happy and content in my heart and soul and do not need mans approval.

 

[i_m_tipu]

If I am understanding your broken english, I think you are assuming that all westerners have poor relationships (strange assumption), and want to live like a monkey. If this is really what you are saying, well, you are a little bit rude. If not, then I have no idea what you are trying to say.

well nobody make everybody happy

and i really not find any suitable word ecsept monkey
even thou read their erlier comment about us and Allaah

r we not monkey (dancing, jumping, rubbish joking, raping each other unlawful, Stealing, create noise, being shameless etc)

comment---Very interesting!! I think that’s why some scientist believe man had been a Monkey before....​

acually i really wanted to say we r human not monkey

and we want to live like human (greatest creation on universe)

and islam made us to live like human.....Alhamdulillaah

i have a job to do bye..now

 

[cool_jannah]

If they are YOURS, why don't you do something to harness them, instead of having someone else change b/c you can't control yourself. It is like a diet-fanatic asking that all food be covered/hidden and that no one should eat infront of them, right? Muslims believe in free will, right? Control your own self, I say.

That's true. you spoke the truth. We ARE ordered to control ourselves before the women are ordered to cover themselves.

So, why don't you cover your own eyes instead of a woman's body? That should pass the test, eh?

Yes..its an order of Sharia to cover the eyes....but why does your 'instead' come in between..i mean 'instead of covering women's body' you say. Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala makes the rules. and He has ordered the women to be modest and cover themselves up. Will you not be offended if I apply that argument of yours on your own mother, sister, daughter? yea thats right. So if you dont want your mother or sister to be 'uncovered' in public...don't expect that from believing women at least not the Muslims. funny? eh? your own unreasonable argument comes and slaps you in the face.

So the effort has to be on both sides. imagine the order being that men cover their eyes and women walk around shamelessly like animals(i mean uncovered). I don't get how can you people think of things like these.

 

[renak]

[QUOTE
I agree totaly with you..and who runs the main media...Satan. It is true these people are brainwashed and being lead away from God.

I personaly do not keep up with fashion...I have my own style of dress and dress modestly. I have no need to show myself to men..because I am very happy and content in my heart and soul and do not need mans approval.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that women always dress seductively for a mans approval. When women feel beautiful, they act beautiful, the day is much nicer. The desired woman also tends to be held in higher regard by men, and women. Of course I'm speaking for the society in the USA.

I'm curious as to why you feel Satan controls the media? Do you really feel that people who admire beauty are being brainwashed and lead away from God? This seems rather radical.

 

[Knut Hamsun]

Will you not be offended if I apply that argument of yours on your own mother, sister, daughter? yea thats right. So if you dont want your mother or sister to be 'uncovered' in public...don't expect that from believing women at least not the Muslims. funny? eh? your own unreasonable argument comes and slaps you in the face.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you please explain this? Thanks.

So the effort has to be on both sides. imagine the order being that men cover their eyes and women walk around shamelessly like animals(i mean uncovered). I don't get how can you people think of things like these.

I made this argument b/c I have read time and time again that women cover themselves to protect their modesty, which is otherwise violated by the lusty intentions/thinking of the men they encounter. I mean that I have hear it implied that "Allah requested it that way" b/c of the fault of men, not women. So it would follow that women can look at other women without being lusty lesbians,right? So, I stand by my argument. Excepting that you think "Allah commanded this", there is a valid argument to the need for men to cover their own eyes if they can't control their reactions to that which falls before them.

 

[renak]

I made this argument b/c I have read time and time again that women cover themselves to protect their modesty, which is otherwise violated by the lusty intentions/thinking of the men they encounter. I mean that I have hear it implied that "Allah requested it that way" b/c of the fault of men, not women. So it would follow that women can look at other women without being lusty lesbians,right? So, I stand by my argument. Excepting that you think "Allah commanded this", there is a valid argument to the need for men to cover their own eyes if they can't control their reactions to that which falls before them.

I don't understand why this practice is still enforced. The Quran was written when women were merely property of men. Time has elapsed, people have evolved. Shouldn't the interpretation of the Quran be different than it was when first written? You no longer accept slavery, or sex with nine year old girls which is mentioned in the Quran.

 

[cool_jannah]

I don't understand why this practice is still enforced. The Quran was written when women were merely property of men.

Correction - The Qur'an was not written. It was revealed.
This is not christianity. We don't change rules of God according to our needs. You have let your ignorance and frustration let loose finally.

Time has elapsed, people have evolved. Shouldn't the interpretation of the Quran be different than it was when first written? You no longer accept slavery, or sex with nine year old girls which is mentioned in the Quran.

Is all change good? I have to question that. I can say that people who dont follow the rules of God are becoming uncivilized and losing their sense of morality. Which is infact true. Your sense of progress is different than ours. Only the darkness of your grave can satisfy your ignorance. I mean all this time you were having a civil conversation. What happened suddenly? Felt like hurting somebodies feelings? I can quote the bible and talk about the filthiest stuff taken out of context. But anyway, its ok, i understand where you are coming from and I also inderstand that you are not hear to learn about Islam.

Feelings of human beings do not change over time. Is this so hard to understand? did people have different feelings and emtions 1400 years ago?
and this misconception of yours that somehow you are enlightened with humanistic and social intellect should be removed from your head. because you are not. you are following your desires. that is who your lord is. and you will be accountable for it on the day of reckoning. and i still think it is barbaric and uncivilized for women to be uncovered in public.

 

[moujahid]

and i still think it is barbaric and uncivilized for women to be uncovered in public.

;D It is true though to a a greater extent. This should be the quote of the day. br. cool ...its funny how they question Muslims following the Sharia..whereas the Nuns and the jewish women and even the mormons follow the same dress code of covering themselves up.
they are good people..only muslims are bad.:mmokay:
Subhanallah. they have nothing to say. all they bring up is falsehood trying to attack Islam. It is true that most of the non-Muslims here are not here to learn Islam but to mock this beautiful religion.
May Allah guide those people

 

[renak]

Correction - The Qur'an was not written. It was revealed.
This is not christianity. We don't change rules of God according to our needs. You have let your ignorance and frustration let loose finally.

Is all change good? I have to question that. I can say that people who dont follow the rules of God are becoming uncivilized and losing their sense of morality. Which is infact true. Your sense of progress is different than ours. Only the darkness of your grave can satisfy your ignorance. I mean all this time you were having a civil conversation. What happened suddenly? Felt like hurting somebodies feelings? I can quote the bible and talk about the filthiest stuff taken out of context. But anyway, its ok, i understand where you are coming from and I also inderstand that you are not hear to learn about Islam.

Feelings of human beings do not change over time. Is this so hard to understand? did people have different feelings and emtions 1400 years ago?
and this misconception of yours that somehow you are enlightened with humanistic and social intellect should be removed from your head. because you are not. you are following your desires. that is who your lord is. and you will be accountable for it on the day of reckoning. and i still think it is barbaric and uncivilized for women to be uncovered in public.

The quran may have been revealed; however, at some point it clearly was written. Hence, published books of the quran.

Brother, I do not feel that I've insulted you or Islam. Instead of addressing my question, you have chosen to personally attack me. That is fine. I can take your attack, without harboring hatred. I do agree that the bible is full of atrocities. I've never denied this fact.

So anyone want to answer me about Islam no longer allowing slavery or sex with children, but still endorsing the covering of women? Before anyone feels the need to enlighten me that slavery and sex with children occurred in the bible, I want to state that I already know.

 

[Nicola]

I don't think that women always dress seductively for a mans approval. When women feel beautiful, they act beautiful, the day is much nicer. The desired woman also tends to be held in higher regard by men, and women. Of course I'm speaking for the society in the USA.

I believe they dress seductively though low self esteem also. They seek attention, I'm speaking from English culture here. I wouldn't say a woman dressed seductively is held in higher regard at all here...They may be the first men head for in a clud etc..but that is only because they look easy and thats about all, then it's good bye the next morning. This causes the woman to have even less self-esteem.

I'm curious as to why you feel Satan controls the media? Do you really feel that people who admire beauty are being brainwashed and lead away from God? This seems rather radical.

Satan is a world ruler and rules all who are not of God..he is causing as much unrest and unhappiness has he possibly can. Satan is also sly and cunning and can appear as an angel of light..he will play on any weakness we have..using this to his advantage to lead us away from Gods true path..this is his whole purpose...Now we are living in the end times...Satan know his time is short here..and will use every trick he can. Why shouldn't he use the media for his advantage...look at the trouble it's caused between Muslims and the west..this is what he wants.
Also back to dress codes...God hates nothing more than pride..

God hates pride because He loves people -- and pride prevents people from receiving help from God.

PROVERBS 8:13 NKJ
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; pride and arrogance and the evil way and the perverse mouth I hate.

AMOS 6:8 NKJ
8 The Lord God has sworn by Himself, the Lord God of hosts says: "I abhor the pride of Jacob, and hate his palaces; therefore I will deliver up the city and all that is in it."

Pride Is The Root Of All Sin
Pride is the most serious, and the most subtle, sin. It often is not even recognized as existing.

Pride is the root of all sin.

It causes us to turn away from God instead of turning to Him. All disobedience has pride as its root. All rebellion has pride behind it. All mistreatment of other people is caused by pride: someone putting their self and their feelings above the other person and their feelings.


Pride Is Evil
MARK 7:20-23 NKJ
20 And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 "thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.
23 "All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

1 JOHN 2:16 NKJ
16 For all that is in the world -- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life -- is not of the Father but is of the world.

The world system promotes people who are proud, and often gives them great riches. God says pride is evil and defiles a man.


Pride Prevents People Receiving
PSALM 10:4 NKJ
4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God; God is in none of his thoughts.

Pride causes people to go their own way instead of God's way. Pride makes you think you do not need God's advice or help.

JAMES 4:6 NKJ
6 . . ."God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

Only by faith in God can we receive God's blessings. Pride is faith in yourself. Faith in God is not faith in yourself.


Pride Causes People Trouble
PROVERBS 11:2 NKJ
2 When pride comes, then comes shame; but with the humble is wisdom.

PROVERBS 16:18-19 NKJ
18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

PROVERBS 29:23 NKJ
23 A man's pride will bring him low, but the humble in spirit will retain honor.


Manifestations Of Pride
* Neglecting The Bible & Prayer

You may think you do not read the Bible more because you are so busy. The root problem is pride: you think you can make it without God's Word. Those who neglect prayer have the same root problem -- they think they can make it without God.

Pride and prayer are inverse. A proud person does not pray much, and a praying person is not bothered much with pride.

* Inability To Admit You Are Wrong

A proud person blames someone else -- the fault is never theirs! And, they refuse to admit anything they are doing could be a failure.

* Not Submitting To Authority

1 PETER 5:5 NKJ
5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

A proud person thinks they should do things their way, instead of going by what anyone else has to say.

* Know-it-all Attitude

1 CORINTHIANS 8:2 NKJ
2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

* Not Acting On God's Word

If we do not act on God's Word we are acting on the word of someone else, thereby placing ourselves above God.

An example of this is people who do not worship God with their tithe, and who neglect giving. While they may think they cannot afford it, their root problem is pride: thinking they can make it on their own.

* Criticizing Others

Anyone who criticizes another person considers they are superior to that person. They also think they are qualified to judge another human being (which they are not).

* Thinking You Are Better Than Others

You are not better than anyone -- just different in some ways. True, you may be superior to some people in some ways, but every one of them is superior to you in at least one way. Every one of them knows something you do not. And, there are many people superior to you in many ways.

1 CORINTHIANS 4:7 NKJ
7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you glory as if you had not received it?

* Being Overly Busy

Being overly busy can be a manifestation of being proud. Some people think they have to do everything themselves because no one else could do it as well -- that is pride -- and can certainly keep someone very busy. Continual busyness -- even in the ministry -- is usually a sign of pride.


Dictionary Definition Of Pride
Webster's Eighth New Collegiate Dictionary gives these meanings:

* arrogant: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance in an overbearing manner

* arrogance: a feeling of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims

* pride: inordinate self-esteem; conceit

(Note on proud) Synonyms: arrogant, haughty, overbearing, disdainful. . . . showing or feeling superiority toward others.


What Causes Pride?
These things invite, bring, or produce pride. But we do not have to receive it!

* Knowledge.

1 CORINTHIANS 8:1 NKJ
1 Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

* Natural attributes: beauty, intelligence, talent.

EZEKIEL 28:17 NKJ
17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, that they might gaze at you.

* Prosperity or successful accomplishment.

1 TIMOTHY 6:17 NKJ
17 Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy.

* Spiritual power: supernatural miracles.

When God's power flows through you ministering to others, or God gives mighty answers to your prayers -- remember God is the Great One -- not you.

* Inexperience.

1 TIMOTHY 3:6 NKJ
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.

Pride is associated with being a novice. This implies that with experience people should be less susceptible to pride. It further implies people will fail a lot -- what else but failure could cure us of pride?


Difference Between Pride And Faith
Interestingly, faith is mistaken for pride or arrogance by some people. Both can cause a person to be bold and confident. How can you tell the difference?

* The focus of the person's speech and how they treat other people.

If their speech focuses on themselves, or another human, it is pride. If it is on God, it is faith. The other outward actions may be similar, but the speech will be different.

The person in faith will have spent much time in the Word of God and prayer.

A proud person treats other people with indifference -- only using them.

The person of faith will walk in love -- because faith works by love. The person of faith will honor and prefer the other person above their own self.

Is it possible to have a mixture? Certainly! As Christians we are being perfected and changed into the image of Jesus Christ -- but none of us have arrived yet!

So, yes, some people who are walking in faith may manifest some measure of pride in some areas, and vice-versa.


Sodom's Sin
EZEKIEL 16:49-50 NKJ
49 "Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 "And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.

God did not destroy the city of Sodom just because of its sexual perversion -- Ezekiel lists pride first among the reasons.


A Proud King
DANIEL 5:18-23 NKJ
18 "O king, the Most High God gave Nebuchadnezzar your father a kingdom and majesty, glory and honor.
19 "And because of the majesty that He gave him, all peoples, nations, and languages trembled and feared before him. Whomever he wished, he executed; whomever he wished, he kept alive; whomever he wished, he set up; and whomever he wished, he put down.
20 "But when his heart was lifted up, and his spirit was hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him.
21 "Then he was driven from the sons of men, his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild donkeys. They fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till he knew that the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it whomever He chooses.
22 "But you his son, Belshazzar, have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this.
23 "And you have lifted yourself up against the Lord of heaven. They have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your lords, your wives and your concubines, have drunk wine from them. And you have praised the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone, which do not see or hear or know; and the God who holds your breath in His hand and owns all your ways, you have not glorified.

Anyone being tempted with pride should read the account of Nebuchadnezzar -- ruler of the known world. After God taught him a lesson, he made the following statement.

DANIEL 4:37 NKJ
37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all of whose works are truth, and His ways justice. And those who walk in pride He is able to abase.


Do Not Pick Proud Leaders
1 TIMOTHY 3:2,3,6 NKJ
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.

Why would a novice be more apt to fall with pride? Surely, lack of failure can be the only answer. Experience shows us that we can be wrong. This should cause us to always look to God for His help and direction.


Never Permanent
Pride is an error that shows a lack of understanding of the true facts. Pride shows ignorance. But, pride is never permanent!

http://www.believers.org/believe/bel147.htm

 

[renak]

I believe they dress seductively though low self esteem also. They seek attention, I'm speaking from English culture here. I wouldn't say a woman dressed seductively is held in higher regard at all here...They may be the first men head for in a clud etc..but that is only because they look easy and thats about all, then it's good bye the next morning. This causes the woman to have even less self-esteem.

I think this may be the case for a few women, the ignorant ones. If a woman would allow herself to be treated in this manner, she would have low self-esteem. However, she would have low self-esteem regardless of her attire.

 

[Nicola]

I think this may be the case for a few women, the ignorant ones. If a woman would allow herself to be treated in this manner, she would have low self-esteem. However, she would have low self-esteem regardless of her attire.

I agree, these women have serious issues...

but how about the women who don't have low self-esteem...who are proud..
do you agree that dressing like this falls into being proud?

and that God hates pride. This was Satan downfall..

The same can be applied to any dress code, including the Islamic dress code for women....God knows whats in your heart and why your wearing the clothes you do...if it's pride, because you want to be different, stand out in the crowd..proud that your husband wishes you to be dressed this way.....it isn't for God your doing it....but for yourself alone.

 

[renak]

;D It is true though to a a greater extent. This should be the quote of the day. br. cool ...its funny how they question Muslims following the Sharia..whereas the Nuns and the jewish women and even the mormons follow the same dress code of covering themselves up.
they are good people..only muslims are bad.:mmokay:
Subhanallah. they have nothing to say. all they bring up is falsehood trying to attack Islam. It is true that most of the non-Muslims here are not here to learn Islam but to mock this beautiful religion.
May Allah guide those people

How is anyone attacking Islam on this thread? Does Islam believe that one should not ask questions?

Christians and jews do have some followers that follow modest dress. That's great. Everyone should dress according to his/her conscience. For example, Nicola has responded to this thread. She seems to be a Christian who adheres to a modest dress code, yet has contributed to this discussion in an intelligent, and respectful manner.

I don't think that anyone on this thread wishes to mock islam. I apologize if my questions and debate have offended you. However, I will continue to ask until I am no longer ignored.

 

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Renak=I'm merely asking why men should not control their lust, and deal with their own weakness. Men are supposed to be stronger than women. This is should not be a hard request.

Then why say:

I don't believe that humans can control their sexuality.

Contradiction. Then why expect men to control their lust if you show them what they naturally lust after? It's like putting a plate of food infront of a hungry person and not expecting them to want to eat it. Would you say it's their fault they can't control their hunger if they see something that can satisfy it. Doesn't make sense.

May I ask why you think it isn't the mans responsibility to deal with his lust, opposed to making the woman deal with it for him?

In Islam it goes for both. Men have to lower their gazes and women cover up. The resposibility lies with both. Naturally the female form is attractive to men. The pious men will lower their gazes in front of covered or non-covered women. But the immorals ones will sexually harrass non-covered women not the covered ones. If you cross a busy motorway and get hit by a car, who's fault it is? Your's for exposing yourself to that danger. So women exposing themselves infront of men and not expecting to be viewed as sexual objects are out of touch with reality. Like you said, "
I don't believe that humans can control their sexuality." So why expect men to control their urges if you're giving them an eyeful of what is naturally attractive to them.

Nor do I feel that I am viewed less favorably by men and/or God. I am somewhat of a slave to fashion, and love the positive response I receive from men when I am looking my best. Perhaps men are viewing me in a sexual manner. I believe that it is their weakness which allows themselves to succumb to sexual immorality.

You call men finding you attractive a postive response? How is that? They are not looking at you and seeing the nice person you are inside, or how intelligent or great you are. They are looking at you as an object of desire. They probably dont even want to know ur name but have sex with you anyway. A potential means of satisfying their own desires. Then they see the next woman and think the same about her and the next and God knows how many others in a day. So you are not unique like the woman in hijaab.
To them you're just another sexual thing as same as the next one.
Is that really how you want to be viewed? In the same catagory as those seen as nothing but sexual objects?

Peace

 

[renak]

I agree, this women have serious issues...

but how about the women who don't have low self-esteem...who are proud..
do you agree that dressing like this falls into being proud?

and that God hates pride. This was Satan downfall..

I don't know if it means they are proud in the sense that God finds sinful. I mean everyone exhibits pride in some manner. We may be proud of our children, family, country, religion, etc...

I'm thinking that pride becomes a sin when it controls our life.

 

[renak]

Quote:
Originally posted by Renak=I'm merely asking why men should not control their lust, and deal with their own weakness. Men are supposed to be stronger than women. This is should not be a hard request.

Then why say:


Quote:
I don't believe that humans can control their sexuality.


Contradiction. Then why expect men to control their lust if you show them what they naturally lust after? It's like putting a plate of food infront of a hungry person and not expecting them to want to eat it. Would you say it's their fault they can't control their hunger if they see something that can satisfy it. Doesn't make sense.

I don't think people can control their sexual desires. I do believe people can, and have the responsibility to control how they choose to act upon these desires.

 

[Nicola]

;D It is true though to a a greater extent. This should be the quote of the day. br. cool ...its funny how they question Muslims following the Sharia..whereas the Nuns and the jewish women and even the mormons follow the same dress code of covering themselves up.
they are good people..only muslims are bad.:mmokay:
Subhanallah. they have nothing to say. all they bring up is falsehood trying to attack Islam. It is true that most of the non-Muslims here are not here to learn Islam but to mock this beautiful religion.
May Allah guide those people

Actually we did not bring up the subject of dress...we where asked a question..and no one has mocked Islam here.