how christian women view muslim women

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May I ask why you think it isn't the mans responsibility to deal with his lust, opposed to making the woman deal with it for him?


In Islam it goes for both. Men have to lower their gazes and women cover up. The resposibility lies with both. Naturally the female form is attractive to men. The pious men will lower their gazes in front of covered or non-covered women. But the immorals ones will sexually harrass non-covered women not the covered ones. If you cross a busy motorway and get hit by a car, who's fault it is? Your's for exposing yourself to that danger. So women exposing themselves infront of men and not expecting to be viewed as sexual objects are out of touch with reality. Like you said, "
I don't believe that humans can control their sexuality." So why expect men to control their urges if you're giving them an eyeful of what is naturally attractive to them.

I've yet to meet a muslim man (or any man) who lowed his gaze at any woman. Perhaps this is because I live in the USA. It may be true that the immoral muslim men may sexually harass the non-covered woman. If this is the case, I say bring it on big boy. You're in my country and you'll play by my rules. ;D

By choosing not to cover myself I am not inviting danger. A man who is unable to control his primal urges is the danger. We are not animals, we are human beings with the capicity to reason and act accordingly.

I may be giving them an eyeful of what is naturally attractive to them. However, they are giving me an eyeful as well. They may be dressed casual, or in a suit...it doesn't really matter. If they are handsome and/or conduct themselves in a charming and confident manner, I will be attracted to them. Also, if they drive a luxury vehicle, which many muslims do in my area (lol), that may even attract me more. They know this.
 
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You call men finding you attractive a postive response? How is that? They are not looking at you and seeing the nice person you are inside, or how intelligent or great you are.

Yes. An attractive person (male or female) will generally have greater chance of succeeding in the workforce, in an organization, and in life in general. I want a person to view me and look at the nice person I am inside, my intelligence, and my beauty. However, this is usually only necessary on the personal level. Also, there may be a few exceptions, but people, and men specifically, value the physical aspect of people. Men are more visual creatures than women. Read over the threads relating to "would you marry a handicapped person", etc..., most responses show the true nature of the men and women on this forum.

They are looking at you as an object of desire. They probably dont even want to know ur name but have sex with you anyway. A potential means of satisfying their own desires. Then they see the next woman and think the same about her and the next and God knows how many others in a day. So you are not unique like the woman in hijaab.
To them you're just another sexual thing as same as the next one.
Is that really how you want to be viewed? In the same catagory as those seen as nothing but sexual objects?

Well, you seem a bit insulting, but that's okay. I don't care if a man wants to view me as a sexual object. If they are ignorant enough to think that I will allow them to treat me like a whore, well, they are mistaken. I must admit that it is fun to toy with these disrespectful idiots (christian and muslim). I like to reject them and make them feel like the pond scum.

I also want to point out that I've been single the majority of my adult life. I can honestly say that whether I come in contact with a man online, in a work setting, at a church function, via relative/friends, or anywhere in public, the most sexually aggressive and disrespectful men are those who are active in their church/mosque. They complain that their wife is too conservative, doesn't take pride in her appearance, etc... This of course is insulting to their wife, and me of course. I of course do not date these men, but they are out there in great abundance. Unfortunately, I don't feel that the MAJORITY of men respect the pious woman, or any woman for that matter (when it comes to obtaining sex).
 
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I feel so sorry for you guys, I went to a public Christmas carols on the beach just before Christmas. There were a few hundred people there. Everyone was smiling and happy. Kids were playing and lighting candles, we were all playin volley ball together, most of us still had our swimmers on, abd there was a lot of happiness and smiling. No-one felt intimidated, noone was "gawking" noone got attacked or raped. Everyone was just natural and having fun. You guys will never experience that- you are so shackled by your jealous rules. I just cannot immagine a God preferring to see people all serious and full of hatred, compared to this happy scene. I believe God made us to have fun, he made the smile an inegral part of our way of expressing our mood, and its so unnatural to hide it all away. I really do feel sorry for you, you miss out on so much in life, and its silly, because its so unlikely that God would have wanted it that way.
 
I feel so sorry for you guys, I went to a public Christmas carols on the beach just before Christmas. There were a few hundred people there. Everyone was smiling and happy. Kids were playing and lighting candles, we were all playin volley ball together, most of us still had our swimmers on, abd there was a lot of happiness and smiling. No-one felt intimidated, noone was "gawking" noone got attacked or raped. Everyone was just natural and having fun. You guys will never experience that- you are so shackled by your jealous rules. I just cannot immagine a God preferring to see people all serious and full of hatred, compared to this happy scene. I believe God made us to have fun, he made the smile an inegral part of our way of expressing our mood, and its so unnatural to hide it all away. I really do feel sorry for you, you miss out on so much in life, and its silly, because its so unlikely that God would have wanted it that way.

Salaam

Don't worry about us muslim we'll get what we deserve and so will you.
 
Thats the irony, I believe that I will get what I deserve and so will you as well. Only, I believe God intended us to have fun while we are in this life as well, I think he does have a sense of humour, why else would he make us have the instinct to laugh and have fun. Now, that is not consistent with a God who wants to ban everything that is fun.
 
Thats the irony, I believe that I will get what I deserve and so will you as well. Only, I believe God intended us to have fun while we are in this life as well, I think he does have a sense of humour, why else would he make us have the instinct to laugh and have fun. Now, that is not consistent with a God who wants to ban everything that is fun.

Salaam

Ban everything thats fun huh? how about dangerous
 
Yeah, you can ban that too, not a bad idea.
But seriously- how is it dangerous to smile? to listen to music, to dance, to laugh, How was it dangerous what we did on the christmas carols on the beach?
 
Yeah, you can ban that too, not a bad idea.
But seriously- how is it dangerous to smile? to listen to music, to dance, to laugh, How was it dangerous what we did on the christmas carols on the beach?

Salaam

Disobeying allahs command's.
 
Yeah, you can ban that too, not a bad idea.
But seriously- how is it dangerous to smile?
It isnt. nor is it haram.
to listen to music,
Not dangerous as such, just not recommended (from what i've been told)
See above answer
to laugh,
Noone ever said that. Excessive laughter may be frowned upon - like hysterically.
How was it dangerous what we did on the christmas carols on the beach?
I don't believe it was...

In anycase, this is getting off topic. If you would like to discuss these issues i'd suggest creating a new topic - i'd be more than happy to attempt answers to them.
 
Well, we have to agree to disagree on that, I don't think Allah does or would command all the rules Islam says he does. But, you go ahead, its your life. But I do feel sorry for you.
 
well a muslim woman does have to cover her body so its not reaveling but the messanger pointed at two things which maybe left uncovered the face and the hands a man may not force his wife to wear it and also its not just in western countries that women are uncovering either but in the east also alot of western reverts cover fully i know i am one of those women but it seems the norm now for many sisters not even to wear hijaab :( even and man like a woman should keep his eyes down :rant: but some don't??
 
Well, we have to agree to disagree on that, I don't think Allah does or would command all the rules Islam says he does. But, you go ahead, its your life. But I do feel sorry for you.
is it not in the bible that women should be covered also ??????????:?
 
I feel so sorry for you guys, I went to a public Christmas carols on the beach just before Christmas. There were a few hundred people there. Everyone was smiling and happy. Kids were playing and lighting candles, we were all playin volley ball together, most of us still had our swimmers on, abd there was a lot of happiness and smiling. No-one felt intimidated, noone was "gawking" noone got attacked or raped. Everyone was just natural and having fun. You guys will never experience that- you are so shackled by your jealous rules. I just cannot immagine a God preferring to see people all serious and full of hatred, compared to this happy scene. I believe God made us to have fun, he made the smile an inegral part of our way of expressing our mood, and its so unnatural to hide it all away. I really do feel sorry for you, you miss out on so much in life, and its silly, because its so unlikely that God would have wanted it that way.

If you feel so sorry for us, why do you continue on refuting and disagreeing on everything we say. After all this is an ISLAMIC forum. Non-believers will never understand unless Allah puts guidance into thier hearts. These are our beliefs, like it or not. We are not about to change them just because you and some other people do not agree. Telling us you feel sorry for us is your opinion. But just remember this is an islamic forum and the majority of us feel sorry for you.
 
I dont believe its relevant, its best to be careful and never find yourself in a lonely dark alley or with the wrong relative on your own. Rapists go for opportunity, not how much skin is showing
 
now ur talking off the topic but i will answer u up untill the turn of the centuary christians themselves were marrying chikdren at 10 also in the jewish religion a child could be married at 3 years old and even today in some countrys in africa are gettng married at 10 years old also so with alot of western people going to tailand for sex with chikdren and u go back and talk about a beloved prophet .and his wife and no one knows the ages of alot of the other prophets wives
 
quote! Women must cover their heads:

(Corinthians 11:5)
"But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will not veil herself then she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil."


Women are never allowed to teach men:

(Timothy 2:12)
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."



Women are second class humans compared to men:

(Corinthians 11:3)
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."


(Corinthians 11:7)
"For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man, for man was not made for woman, but woman from man, neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."



Women can't pray at Church:

(Corinthians 14:34)
The woman should keep silence in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is any thing they desire to know let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
quote from the bible or is it not the book of GOD with his orders inside it
 
. My point is, if that custom and rule can change, why not oher rules like dress etc?
we try to our ability follow the laws which Allah (god has sent down for u) and if u love God so much would u not try to follow those rukes and laws or r they to be broken??????:rollseyes
 
is it up to the creation to chose what to obey and what not to? when the rules are clearly stated from the creator? (in your case...)
hmmmm.. so basically you make your own rules?
 

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