How Dare You Not Love Ataturk?

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It sure did.. once they have let go of Islam, they have let go of their compulsion to seek knowledge.. for it is one of the pillars they have let go of along like moral decency!

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Aaron85 said:
Did the nationalism also caused Turkey's technological,scientifical. cultural and military backwardness in comparission to Europe these times?
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Maybe
How come The Ottoman Empire were So Succesful In the Early Days ??
 
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Skye Ephémérine said:
It sure did.. once they have let go of Islam, they have let go of their compulsion to seek knowledge.. for it is one of the pillars they have let go of along like moral decency!

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Its ironic because before nationalists came up to power, there was only religious schools in Ottoman Turkey. No enginery schools,no technical schools, no modern military schools.
 
Aaron85 said:
Its ironic because before nationalists came up to power, there was only religious schools in Ottoman Turkey. No enginery schools,no technical schools, no modern military schools.
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There is no irony at all.. the latter half of the ottomans were a great corrupt individuals, unlike all the empires that preceded, they have left many great states beneath them a complete prey to the brits/french etc including thesmelves.... I don't want to get into a deep history lesson here.. but you need to know that there was a time when even the brilliant peter the great had to retreat to the ottomans, if you know anything about cities he built and his conquests you'd have to concede that he was in over his head with the ottomans...

I can't blame everything on kamal ataturk singularly but he certainly made corruption from within more obvious.. and now we have lost turkey.. but we are to gain it back with two words insha'Allah as per prophecy.. you can say all that is set in motion is very expected..

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Skye Ephémérine said:
If you think peter the great were weak.. you'll need a brush up course on his own private conquests :)

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I was rather talking about older times, in XV, XVI century. Balkan countries were a few but small and powerless after Bizantium collapse.
Besides, I know that you will gain it back. At least everything is showing that. This is too strong culture to be so easily replaced or wiped off. I am aware of this.Until Ottoman Empire come again at the borders of my country I dont care about it honestly.
Somewhere I read that faith pushed to catacombs doesnt die but savages(didnt it happen already in USA?Who knows). Thats why secularists loose at the end at last.
 
Aaron85 said:
I was rather talking about older times, in XV, XVI century. Balkan countries were a few but small and powerless after Bizantium collapse.
Besides, I know that you will gain it back. At least everything is showing that. This is too strong culture to be so easily replaced or wiped off. I am aware of this.Until Ottoman Empire come again at the borders of my country I dont care about it honestly.
Somewhere I read that faith pushed to catacombs doesnt die but savages(didnt it happen already in USA?Who knows). Thats why secularists loose at the end at last.
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Why aren't you Muslim?
 
Aaron85 said:
I was rather talking about older times, in XV, XVI century. Balkan countries were a few but small and powerless after Bizantium collapse.
Besides, I know that you will gain it back. At least everything is showing that. This is too strong culture to be so easily replaced or wiped off. I am aware of this.Until Ottoman Empire come again at the borders of my country I dont care about it honestly.
Somewhere I read that faith pushed to catacombs doesnt die but savages(didnt it happen already in USA?Who knows). Thats why secularists loose at the end at last.
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Aaron85 said:
I beg you pardon? :)
My professor used to say that he likes being a pigmy. I guess that I also likes this.
P.S When I was talkinbg about you gaining back everything I meant Turkey.
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well that is not the only 'everything' that we were promised.... but that is besides...
I ask this not because of anything related to this thread really... most of the Polish people I have met i.e out of 7 three became devout Muslims, they were the hard working and studied of the rest, who just liked the 'american dream' too much though never attained it....

I invite you to become Muslim as I do anyone I find virtuous... not because anything having to do with the topic or conquests or or.. you'd not give up Jesus when you become Muslim, you might even appreciate him a little more than a toy doll at borders book store or walmart..

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Aaron85 said:
I wonder if you are so critical about ACLU in your own country Snakelegs.
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i don't understand the question??? :muddlehea
i like the ACLU and have been a member.
i would hope that the ACLU would defend women's rights to wear headscarves, if it were here. (better yet that it should never be an issue).
why should the turkish courts try to get rid of the elected government because the gov't wanted to do away with the head scarf ban?
i like secularism of the type we have here, which is really separation of church & state. i don't understand turkey's version, which seems quite militant to me. i wouldn't want secularism forced on me any more than i would want a religion forced on me.
as a side note, toward the end, the ottoman empire was already moving toward secularism (=before ataturk)
btw i don't mean to give the impression that i know a whole bunch about turkey, because i don't.
 
Muslim Knight said:
Liberalists should leave my country and head for Turkey. That'll teach them to love Islamists.
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Why many older generation has "Mustafa Kamal" on their names?

Was he so popular in Malaya?

If I'm not mistaken, Young Turk movement influence Young Malay Union (Kesatuan Melayu Muda) alot...

Luckily Tunku Abdul Rahman didnt rule this country as Ataturk...
 
I think this is more "anti-islam" than "secularity"

You find the same in many part of the US. People have been living in fear of islam and muslims since 9/11 (and before that for non-americans). Its actually one of the things that brought me to this board, to see if the anti-islam people had legitimate concerns or were just blowing smoke.
 
The_Prince said:
lol i think i should make my new youtube video to insult ataturk, become public enemy number 1 in turkey and get youtube closed there. muahahaha.........maybe i will who knows.
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Btw Youtube Is already closed There :Evil:
 

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