How do Atheists view the Prophets (messengers of Allah)?

[Whatsthepoint]

jus asking in wonder as u r a christian..u beilieve that jesus/isa was the last prophet..hu do u tihnk the prophet Muhammed ( S.a.W) was?

Who do you think the Prophet Joseph Smith (saaw) was?

 

[Afifa]

Who do you think the Prophet Joseph Smith (saaw) was?

hu was that? :?

 

[Amadeus85]

hu was that? :?

He was the one who created mormonism.

 

[Afifa]

He was the one who created mormonism.

wats dah?...was he before jesus/isa?

 

[snakelegs]

mormons are a fairly new christian religion, founded in the u.s. many christians don't regard them as christian.
isn't joseph smith a funny name for a prophet?

 

[Amadeus85]

wats dah?...was he before jesus/isa?

Whatsthepoint was making a suggestion that Muhammed wasn't the only man after Christ who claimed to be prophet of God.

 

[Afifa]

Whatsthepoint was making a suggestion that Muhammed wasn't the only man after Christ who claimed to be prophet of God.

yh im not sayin that before the prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) there were no prophets..There were many prophets..some of which we dont know the name of but we do knw that the final was the Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W)

 

[Whatsthepoint]

yh im not sayin that before the prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) there were no prophets..There were many prophets..some of which we dont know the name of but we do knw that the final was the Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W)

You "know" Mohammad was the final prophet. Christians, on the other hand, "know" Jesus was the final prophet (or something). Mormons "know" the final prophet was Joseph Smith...

 

[Afifa]

You "know" Mohammad was the final prophet. Christians, on the other hand, "know" Jesus was the final prophet (or something). Mormons "know" the final prophet was Joseph Smith...

are mormans not christians den? :?

 

['Abd al-Baari]

Mormons are like a branch of Christinaty
Some christians accept mormons as christinas wheras others don't
Have a read of this Afifa

 

[Resigned]

are mormans not christians den? :?

There seems to be a preoccupation with various religious groups attempting to define out of their religion, various sects or subdivisions that they don’t feel are part of the religion.

At least as I understand it, many Christian groups do not believe that Mormons are “true” Christians. This is primarily because Joseph Smith (a self proclaimed “Prophet”), was in competition Jesus. As I understand it, the sunni sect would dismiss the Shia as not “real” Moslems due to ideological differences.

 

[barney]

Well Jo was a bit of an exception, because he cobbled up some brass sheets with unintelligible scratches on them, and roped in a few mates to back him up that they were given to him by God.
His funny books entitle him to the "last Prophet" title, because his was the last age where "Prophets" could get a religion started and be beleived.
Now with advanced antipsychotic drugs we can treat Prophets until they realise that God isnt talking to them, they are actually suffering from mental illness.

Unfortunatly, we are 4000 years too late and the damage is done.Mankind has paid the price and will continue to until he wipes himself out. All based on the ravings of madmen.

 

[Resigned]

Hey barney. That was a great post. And ya’ know, Once you get a group of people to commit to your ideas, then it's a matter of surviving against attacks from those who believe in a competitive believe system. A great "for instance" is Scientology. It was literally borne out of a bet L. Ron Hubbard had where he predicted he could devise a religion and do as well as Jesus.

Well, he didn't but it really worked once he found his "nemesis" -- psychology. Painting psychology as a "demon art" against the far more "astute" Dianetics, Hubbard managed to ensnare millions who had had bad experiences with psychologists. It was a brilliant maneuver, because if you've ever been in therapy, you are bound to have a really bad time of it-- you are either maladjusted anyway, which is why you went to the shrink in the first place, or you are presently in the therapy itself, which is brutal. Anyone who's been in therapy can attest to the deeply difficult aspects of the process that begins as you dredge up experiences you thought were buried. If you bail at those delicate first few weeks, months, or even years, you will likely shun psychoanalysis as evil. Hubbard knew this and good lord, did he capitalize on it.

 

[barney]

Verily, thats true.
I agree that in the unhinged Hubbard's scam still finds fertile ground.

It is the only way in the days of enlightenment and technology that anyone could recruit beleivers to a new religion.
It's a bit hard to say"And I saw a Glowing light which spaketh", because the stock answer is always " Great...show us your mobile phone footage then please"

 

[snakelegs]

There seems to be a preoccupation with various religious groups attempting to define out of their religion, various sects or subdivisions that they don’t feel are part of the religion.

At least as I understand it, many Christian groups do not believe that Mormons are “true” Christians. This is primarily because Joseph Smith (a self proclaimed “Prophet”), was in competition Jesus. As I understand it, the sunni sect would dismiss the Shia as not “real” Moslems due to ideological differences.

some protestants even believe that catholics are not christian - go figger....

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

Nice, the atheists gave a good, explanation on how they see prophets, but keeping one thing in mind, Why would these men, if they were not divinely inspired, do things which would be against their environment and society, for instance, why did Muhammad(saw) still sleep and eat humble, as he never even ate from a table in his life, he would go months without having a proper meal, all to give it to the people who need it. Even after he had the whole of the arabian peninsula?

The sacrifices these men made were not something that would be expected of them, nothing they ever did benefited them, in the material sense, all they asked people was to believe in Allah, that was their dying wish, why? why would they do that?

We dont have to look at the miracles they preformed, tell us, is there ANY one would make such sacrifices as these people would make for Allah and their people.

The Messenger of Allah(saw) was from Al- Quraysh as you know, it would have no benefit for him to do what he did, if he freed slaves his family was losing them, if he helped the poor his family
( uncles) as affected.

The Quraysh asked him to stop, and they said they would give him eveything, women, money, and propery ALL and everything a normal man would take, but he(saw) did not.

Atheists need to start taking the morals and values of these 'people' in to consideration, and how they helped the weak, just think about what these prophets(AS)did.

And why would they all be of the same descend of Abraham?
and why would they all relate their mission to Allah?

Quran says:

And to Ad people We sent their brother Hud. He said: "O my people! Worship Allah! You have no other Ilah (god) but Him; Certainly, you do nothing but invent (lies)! O my people I ask of you no reward for it (the Message). My reward is only from Him Who created me. Will you not then understand? And O my people! Ask forgiveness of your Lord and then repent to Him, He will send you (from the sky) abundant rain, and add strength to your strength, so do not turn away as Mujrimeen (criminals, disbeliveers in the Oneness of Allah)."

P.s Im back in case you havent noticed.lol:giggling:

 

[wilberhum]

DAWUD_adnan,
If one believes there is no such thing as god, then they can not believe there is such a thing as "divinely inspired".
And I think there are few who don't think many of the stories have little to do with reality .

 

[barney]

Nice, the atheists gave a good, explanation on how they see prophets, but keeping one thing in mind, Why would these men, if they were not divinely inspired, do things which would be against their environment and society, for instance, why did Muhammad(saw) still sleep and eat humble, as he never even ate from a table in his life, he would go months without having a proper meal, all to give it to the people who need it. Even after he had the whole of the arabian peninsula?

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I veiw prophets as having up to two major motivators. It's either one or both.

The ones who are motivated by Power, wealth and adoration.
Those who beleive they are really hearing God and follow what the Voices say.

So you can have someone who redily submits to this voices commands but is seduced by the wealth.And those who for whom the Adoration of the masses is enough.

A lot of celebrities couldnt care less about money, the buzz and thrill they get from being on stage is their motivator.
The Pulpit for a preist is like a stage, and the soapbox for the politician. The masses are listening to their words...what else matters?
The aspiring prophet will find this to a even greater extreme.
I Mean, Jesus had people beleiving he was God himself! A trick pulled off by many from Rameses to Hirohito. God in human form.Wow!


You ask about my veiw on Mohammed, I personally have two ways of looking at his motivators.
1) He was devoutly following the instructions he heard in his head and steered clear of wealth to avoid "The Fire"
2) The Adoration of being the only living and indeed the final Prophet was enough for him.

I do wonder however, that in the whole of the Islamic lands at the time of his death, of all the collected Booty from the defeated, which must have been a massive mountain of treasure, one fifth was due to be given to Allah and his Apostle.
If Mohammed wasnt spending or saving all the loot, then all of his share must have been spent by Allah.

I tend to look at what people say about celebrity with a sceptical eye. We have the testomany of a few contemparys about his living style.
I know that if I was passing down infomation on such matters for a emerging religion, I would say that the person in question was the greatest person ever and gave everything he owned to charity and all his bread to the poor and his camels to the elderly.
I would skip over anything that smacked of self-gratification.

Lets take Ron Hubbard: A small time prophet who has only 15 million devotees.(so they say)
Look at how Hubbard is thought of by his followers. A Navy War hero, young fit and athletic, a sharp and inquisitive mind, a leader of mankind into a new age.
They tend to miss out the extended months in Lunatic Asylums, or that his Naval Career was mostly penpushing in a dusty room.
If Scientology really takes off,I mean, like Christianity or Hinduism then in a Hundred years you can expect all copies of Dianetics to be burned and new one published which show him as being a Holy Figure with amazing powers and a Glowing- fiery sword or rifle or something. His early life will be catalogued by people who knew him or "Knew him" or their grandad knew him, and he was a "Navy Admiral who defeated Japan on his own, smiting them with blessed torpedoes, and he lived in humble povery all his life, giving all the profits from Dianetics to Charity as is the Thetans wish".

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ if you study the life of the prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam you will see that the amount of suffering he went through wasnt worth just being called the "final apostle" 13 years of rejection and persecution... till his message was truelly embraced by a nation.

And we know he didnt want wealth and power, thats evident from his life.

Therefore, he could only be the Messenger of Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala!

Peace

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

^ if you study the life of the prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam you will see that the amount of suffering he went through wasnt worth just being called the "final apostle" 13 years of rejection and persecution... till his message was truelly embraced by a nation.

Going back to the L. Ron Hubbard example: he was called a nutcase by huge numbers of people for most of his life (much longer than thirteen years) - does that mean that he was telling the truth? I think not.

Peace