How do i refute a muslim that says bin laden and al-qaida are heroes?

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rania2820 said:
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i have been debating on another muslim forum about how bin laden and al-qaida are not heroes. but they keep on saying that they are great. and whenever i show them a fatwa saying bin laden is extreme they always say "well thats from a saudi/salafi sheikh so im not going to believe that".they even have gone against sheikhs like ibn baaz.

is there anyway i can convinced them bin laden is not a hero?
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I don't think the quran considers people who needlessly kill large numbers of non-combatants heros.
 
nevesirth said:
i dont see wht ur problem is. y are u trying so hard to prove tht ibn laden is not a hero? this is someone who stood up against the kafr for the sake of islam. u might not agree with his method, but u shouldnt support the west against him. all u r trying to do is give them the picture tht muslims are the villans while they are the heroes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Agreed, he may not be all 100% islamic and shar'iah based but he is a 1000 times better than the "Muslim" rulers we have who lack the backbone to do what he did, stand up against the kuffirs and their evilness in the Muslim world.
 
Al Habeshi said:
Why dont you discuss the basic stuff that is wrong in jihad and so on, and if they agree then thats all you need, you do not need to know whether Bin Laden is good or bad. But if you get them to agree that youcant bomb children and women and so forth, then if they say 'Bin laden does not do that' then you say ok and if they say he does then you show them why it is wrong.
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Is it considered a jhad when Muslims kill Christians because they don't accept Islam as the true path? For example, Not all Muslims are persecuting Christians, but in the past decade or so they have in Northern Nigeria were they went on a rampaged against Christians where two pastors were killed along with 300 laymen. The fanatics severed Pastor Selchun's hand. When it fell to the ground, he raised the other hand and sang, "He is Lord. He is risen from the dead and he is Lord. Every Knee shall bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." In Indonesia, similar events and in Sudan and Pakistan. I call that attacking Christians. I don't believe you guys do these things, but I wish I could say the same about your Muslim brother counter parts in other parts of the world. Jesus teaches us that a tree is known by its fruit.
 
rania2820 said:
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i have been debating on another muslim forum about how bin laden and al-qaida are not heroes. but they keep on saying that they are great. and whenever i show them a fatwa saying bin laden is extreme they always say "well thats from a saudi/salafi sheikh so im not going to believe that".they even have gone against sheikhs like ibn baaz.

is there anyway i can convinced them bin laden is not a hero?
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You brought up some good points and excellent questions. I think your concerns show the greater concern for the direction Muslims take than anything thing else I have heard on this forum. I adamantly disagree with those of your Muslim brothers that reprove you for your important concerns.
 
perdonarme por favor
but aint you suppose to confine your preaching to comparative and world affair forums?
 
doorster said:
perdonarme por favor
but aint you suppose to confine your preaching to comparative and world affair forums?
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Why did u post undisclosed for your way of life if everyone knows you are a Muslim? By the way, I think my comments fit this thread. What part doesn't? I am not trying to compare religions on this thread. ?entonces que pasa con esta (tu) pregunta?
 
doorster said:
perdonarme por favor
but aint you suppose to confine your preaching to comparative and world affair forums?
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his efforts would be best suited trying to convert the good people of Maldives -- I just found a whole Evangelical website trying to get their satanic tentacles on that little Island as well... it is so disheartening. I just Posted the link under introduce yourself to a sister from Maldives.
The Internet and its shady characters makes my blood boil sometimes, they can never leave people happy, they want the whole world astray along with them, worshipping a tri-god who came down in guise to impregnate a woman with himself and be born and die crescendo(ing) into some self-immolation for man kind's "benefit" and yet have the audacity to tell the Muslim world they are backwards or claim that they are monotheists...
La 7wla wla qiwta ila billah!
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Chechen said:
Personally, I don't trust Ben Laden. When Shamil Basayev was asked if he knew Ben Laden or anything about him he told the journalists to ask the British secret services because they knew everything about him. So basically he told them that he works for them. And there's many things about him which are weird but Allah knows best.
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Who knows, he might be sipping a cup of tea right now in the White House. That's why the Americans cannot "catch" him in Afghanistan.
 
perdonarme por favor
Why did u post undisclosed for your way of life if everyone knows you are a Muslim?
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None of your business
?entonces que pasa con esta (tu) pregunta?
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me no understande pidgin espanol (No entiendo español del pidgin)
 
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doorster said:
perdonarme por favor
None of your business
me no understande pidgin espanol (No entiendo español del pidgin)
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If you don't understande pidgin spanisho why do u write in pidgin espangelish? I know "it is none of my business" So how do we convince Muslims that bin laden and al-qaida are not heroes. We shouldn't have to. Their actions tell who and what they are. Just like your comments and mine tell who we are. :)
 
north_malaysian said:
Who knows, he might be sipping a cup of tea right now in the White House. That's why the Americans cannot "catch" him in Afghanistan.
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that tells me you don't think much of the President or bin laden:D
 
alapiana1 said:
If you don't understande pidgin spanisho why do u write in pidgin espangelish? I know "it is none of my business" So how do we convince Muslims that bin laden and al-qaida are not heroes. We shouldn't have to. Their actions tell who and what they are. Just like your comments and mine tell who we are. :)
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Just come clean and admit that he was one of your CIA agents, which you (America) and we Pakistanis needed as a front and portrayed him as a heroic mojahid so that we could get on with the job of dismantling Soviet Union without them sticking 30000+ nukes up our jacksies(backsides)
 
Chechen said:
Personally, I don't trust Ben Laden. When Shamil Basayev was asked if he knew Ben Laden or anything about him he told the journalists to ask the British secret services because they knew everything about him. So basically he told them that he works for them. And there's many things about him which are weird but Allah knows best.
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It is nice to know that there are some Muslims that don't trust bin laden.
 
doorster said:
Just come clean and admit that he was one of your CIA agents, which you (America) and we Pakistanis needed as a front and portrayed him as a heroic mojahid so that we could get on with the job of dismantling Soviet Union without them sticking 30000+ nukes up our jacksies(backsides)
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sorry, but that missle went over my head
 
alapiana1 said:
sorry, but that missle went over my head
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The longer you hide him and play stupid more of a legend he becomes, so own up and hand him over (if he still lives) to a neutral power so that he can be dealt with
 
nocturne said:
I felt bin-laden just chose the wrong path for his actions. Its a pity that a peaceful religion, like ours, have been potrayed so wrongly in the media.

IF Al-qaeda was responsible for 9/11, then it begs the question of what benefits it brought to muslim?
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I think that the Qur'an teaches peace only for Muslims. That is why bin laden chose this path, and that is why Christians are severely persecuted in other countries. The heroes are people that attacked the hijackers in filght 93 to bring their plane down and out of the control of terrorist.
 
alapiana1 said:
I think that the Qur'an teaches peace only for Muslims. That is why bin laden chose this path, and that is why Christians are severely persecuted in other countries. The heroes are people that attacked the hijackers in filght 93 to bring their plane down and out of the control of terrorist.
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get back to comparative forum before I forget the advice given to me by My Brother Woodrow
 
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