How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?

[talibilm]

Can you give me a link to that thread, akhi?

Akhi, here it is post #61

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?487981-aqeedah/page2

 

[talibilm]

@talibilm : I respect your views though but bro huzaifa's views are more logical. Most important aspect of deen is hidden from your eyes that all the Islamic ilm ( of hadith, fiqh, tafseer, qirat etc) utterly depends on personalities that are to be trusted without any specific dalil despite they are fallible. Only prophet s.a.w is infallible.

I accept your views bro but only Allah is infallible as we see from the Noble Quran where Allah admonishes even his Habib Muhammad :saws: in a few verses of the Noble Quran.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Yaa akhi, I have a question. Just a general question, aimed at everyone who believes that a person doesn't have to be an `Aalim to derive rulings and doesn't have to follow a Madh-hab, etc., etc.

My question is this:

Let's say there is a person who's never been to university, never been to high school, never even been to kindergarten. He did not study medicine in university, he did not study under any doctors. Instead, what he did is, he has tried to teach himself medicine using Google. So, everyday, he goes on Google, reads up about medical things, joins a Whatsapp group for doctors and pharmacists, posts there now and then, etc. Now, this person decides that, "You know what? There's no need for doctors, pharmacists, nurses, etc. Anyone can do it. So, I'm going to open up my own surgery. I'll diagnose patients using Google and some medical apps on my phone, and, if any surgery needs to be done, like a kidney transplant for example, I'll watch a five minute video on YouTube about kidney transplants and then I'll do it myself. I'll also write out prescriptions for these patients of mine, telling them what medication to take."

Do you agree with ^ this person? Is it right, what he's doing? What will happen if he does that? Also, what will the legal ramifications be?

May Allaah Ta`aalaa grant us the understanding, Aameen.

 

[Scimitar]

It is just that the doubts I know the answers to, yet they still persist.

I just don't want to die like this man. I think increasing my love for Allah will do.

chin up bro, smiling all the way

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Yaa akhi, I have a question. Just a general question, aimed at everyone who believes that a person doesn't have to be an `Aalim to derive rulings and doesn't have to follow a Madh-hab, etc., etc.

My question is this:

Let's say there is a person who's never been to university, never been to high school, never even been to kindergarten. He did not study medicine in university, he did not study under any doctors. Instead, what he did is, he has tried to teach himself medicine using Google. So, everyday, he goes on Google, reads up about medical things, joins a Whatsapp group for doctors and pharmacists, posts there now and then, etc. Now, this person decides that, "You know what? There's no need for doctors, pharmacists, nurses, etc. Anyone can do it. So, I'm going to open up my own surgery. I'll diagnose patients using Google and some medical apps on my phone, and, if any surgery needs to be done, like a kidney transplant for example, I'll watch a five minute video on YouTube about kidney transplants and then I'll do it myself. I'll also write out prescriptions for these patients of mine, telling them what medication to take."

Do you agree with ^ this person? Is it right, what he's doing? What will happen if he does that? Also, what will the legal ramifications be?

May Allaah Ta`aalaa grant us the understanding, Aameen.

Education missing: Lincoln didn't have one I believe, though he claimed to have 1 year! Andrew Johnson had none and was taught to read by his wife! Zachary Taylor had little and Warren Harding's was limited!

They still achieved. How? if not by the will of Allah?

Just like our Nabi, pbuh, who had no education yet, came to become a leader of worlds.

I'm not in disagreement with you, in principle. I agree with what you intend to relay. However, in some rare cases there are exceptions to the rule - as is evident throughout the course of history.

Scimi

 

[Serinity]

There are people who were thought to know little, but were the big revolutionizers. They could not have done it except by the will of Allah.

Sometimes the "lower class" those coming from the poor families, become the big inventors. While the rich relax on their wealth. But these are exceptions, right? Doesn't Islam legislate for the majority? so if the majority fall into fitnah of Zina, it is banned, even though there might be a minority whom it does not affect?

Allahu alam.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

when a muslim country either bans sharia entirely, or is founded upon democracy and I know from personal experience that democracy and Islamism don't mix....
jihad? dawah? democratic elections? what ate the guidelines of the implementation of sharia?

This is an extremely vast topic to answer and I can be here all day discussing the ins and outs of it. In a summary the Qur'an and Sunnah dictate aspect of our lives as these dictations are from the Divine. To believe Islam and democracy don't exist is ignoring the fundamental concept of of 'ijma. 'ijma isn't democracy per say but it is the unanimous consensus of scholars with regards to several aspects of Islam.

Democratic elections don't really exist in the same sense as the western world. A caliph is elected upon the votes of Muslim governors who, once elected, rules over the Muslim world. There isn't a need for the entire ummah to vote on a caliph because all caliphs have the same role, which is to ensure the laws of Allah are being implemented and that all the appointed governors in the different Muslim areas are doing their job to serve the ummah properly. What Muslims the masses can have a say in are the governors that rule their area.

Again this is just a summary because the questions you're asking is the same as asking about all the ins and outs of western politics. The topics are detailed, intricate and so in depth that they cannot all be understood on a forum.

 

[Scimitar]

There are people who were thought to know little, but were the big revolutionizers. They could not have done it except by the will of Allah.

Indeed,

And Allah only helps those who help themselves.

Scimi

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Education missing: Lincoln didn't have one I believe, though he claimed to have 1 year! Andrew Johnson had none and was taught to read by his wife! Zachary Taylor had little and Warren Harding's was limited!

They still achieved. How? if not by the will of Allah?

Just like our Nabi, pbuh, who had no education yet, came to become a leader of worlds.

I'm not in disagreement with you, in principle. I agree with what you intend to relay. However, in some rare cases there are exceptions to the rule - as is evident throughout the course of history.

Scimi

You're right, akhi, that they had lacked adequate education: but, in their cases, they became the president and that was quite a long time ago, and in those days, school education wasn't necessary in order to lead a nation forward. In fact, in SA, the president is unable to read fluently and can't do maths either (let alone do maths, can't read strings of digits), but yet he's the president. But there are others helping him and doing the actual running of the country. He's just given a page with a written-out speech on and he struggles his way through it, laughing at his mistakes and inability to read.

With medicine, though, it's different. No one would knowingly take their child to a quack. When it comes to matters of life and death, people take things Very seriously. If their child is sick and needs an operation, they look for the best, most qualified doctor. They're not going to take the child to some guy who's never studied medicine, can't spell, never learnt science, biology, maths, anything like that. People would consider it suicidal to go to a "doctor" like that.

So, when it comes to matters of Imaan and Kufr, people should be much more careful. There is a saying, in Farsi:

Neem Hakeem Khatra Jaan, Neem Aleem Khatra Imaan.

"Half a doctor is a danger to your life, but half a scholar is a danger to your Imaan."

There are skills a person can learn by himself, entirely self-taught, like plumbing, welding, IT, sewing, cooking, baking, etc. He can teach it to himself, and people will even trust him enough to hire him in those fields. Because those things are not matters of life and death. When it comes to matters of life and death, they want people who are professionals, who really know what they're doing. People who aren't chance-takers. People who've studied the medical field properly, thoroughly, under experienced medical professionals and graduated as doctors. Only then would they trust him enough to perform a surgery. No one wants a surgery performed by a guy who doesn't exactly know what he's doing, he's just watched a couple of YouTube videos.

The Deen is much more important than the life of a person, and so people should have much more concern when it comes to the Deen. Rulings are derived by `Ulamaa who have studied the Deen for their entire lives, devoted their lives to it, studied it under experienced `Ulamaa who have been granted `Ilm and Hikmah (Wisdom) by Allaah Ta`aalaa.

`Ilm isn't just "knowledge" or "information". Ma`loomaat is "information". The best explanation for `Ilm has been given by Imaam Maalik رحمة الله عليه. He said:

ليس العلم بكثرة الرواية, إنما هو نور يضعه الله في القلب

"`Ilm is not excessive narrating; rather, `Ilm is a Noor (celestial light) which Allaah places in one's heart, and through which he becomes able to differentiate between Haqq and Baatil."

This `Ilm cannot come simply through reading books or checking things up on Google. People spend time in the Suhbat (company) of the `Ulamaa, learning at their feet, taking from their knowledge and their wisdom. There is Barakah in that which cannot be comprehended. The Deen cannot be treated like a mundane science; it's not an academic subject that can be learnt with a heedless heart, treating it like some curious remnant of the past, a relic, to be relegated to the bookshelves of history. It is a Noor, and this Noor must be acquired in the proper way. Once the person has acquired this Noor, and acts according to it, and has the Taqwa and Khashyah of Allaah, he now becomes worthy of that title of "`Aalim", and Allaah Ta`aalaa now uses him to guide people.

It's not about having book knowledge; if it was, Shaytaan would be the greatest `Aalim in the world. He's been around since thousands of years before even Nabi Aadam عليه السلام was created. He's still around now. Imagine how much "book knowledge" he's acquired in that time? Doesn't make him an `Aalim. Despite all the knowledge he may have, he is filled with Zhulmat (darkness). He can never guide anyone. He can only misguide and lead people to Jahannam.

In like manner, there may be many people in the world, scholars, who have "book knowledge", but they lack `Ilm. It's not the same thing at all.

May Allaah Ta`aalaa grant us the understanding, Aameen.

والله تعالى أعلم​

 

[Scimitar]

A brilliant explanation bro Huazaifah, JazakAllahu khairan for sharing it here

Scimi

 

[M.I.A.]

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hope the free nhs holds up..

cos i cant pay for it!
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should have been a pharmacist...

get someone else to bake my cakes!


dont ever find a sense of humour on the exam paper.