How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?

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[MENTION=38436]talibilm[/MENTION] : I respect your views though but bro huzaifa's views are more logical. Most important aspect of deen is hidden from your eyes that all the Islamic ilm ( of hadith, fiqh, tafseer, qirat etc) utterly depends on personalities that are to be trusted without any specific dalil despite they are fallible. Only prophet s.a.w is infallible.

 

[azc]

[MENTION=19166]huzaifa[/MENTION] ibn Adam : brother, would you write views of 4 imams about the topic of the thread

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Note : But I do not know for sure are we the last ones ?? since Allah has given us ONLINE hadiths at finger tips to search a few or & find just 10's or 100's of hadith about a single topic from more than about 30,000 hadiths which would have been hard for our predecessors. similarly the Quran Corpus - word to word translation are better from some translations of certain translators in certain different verses is what i found in experience. allahu aalam.

Just going to reply to this part of the post right now (bit busy):

1) Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal رحمة الله عليه memorised one million Ahaadeeth. They were in his mind 24/7. In addition to that, he told his students that there is not a single Hadeeth that he ever learnt except that he acted upon it. Every single one of those one million Ahaadeeth.

Now, brother, what were you saying about searching 2, 3, 5, 10 Ahaadeeth from "30,000 Ahaadeeth"?

2) Allaah Ta`aalaa said in the Qur'aan:

إنا أنزلناه قرآناً عربياً

{"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'aan."}

The Qur'aan is in Arabic. It has to be understood in Arabic. It cannot be properly understood through translations. See, a translation is not the words of Allaah Ta`aalaa. When you are reading the Arabic, you are reading the exact Words of Allaah Ta`aalaa, whereas when you're reading an English translation, you're reading the words of Yusuf Ali, or Marmaduke Pickthall, or Muhsin Khan, or Taqi-ud-Deen al-Hilali, etc. See the difference? So, you cannot make Qiyaas and Ijtihaad on English words written by human beings. Ijtihaad and Qiyaas can only be done on the actual Words of the Qur'aan, and those are in Arabic. So, a translation doesn't cut it. Even when a person wants to go into the field of debating with the Jews and the Christians, many debaters study the Hebrew language in order to read the Tawrah, for example, in its original language of Hebrew so as to understand it better. And, when you read the actual Hebrew, you see the huge differences between it and the translation. Just take one example: the occurrence of the name of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم in the Hebrew version of the Psalms. In the English, it's been translated to something completely different. In order to understand any of the Kutub Munazzalah (Revealed Books), you must understand them in their original languages. This is common sense.

May Allaah Ta`aalaa grant us the understanding.

Was-Salaam.

 

[talibilm]

am sorry to say (its not kuffar or shirk) i do not know whether He Imaam hambal said he remembered a million hadith because i could hardly believe it, similarly that Imam abu Hanifa prayed 40 years with wudu of Isha to wudu of Subuh. I believe them as exaggerations as was also said about by someone who is also knowledgeable . So I stick to the hadith ''THE BEST OF THE UMMAH 3 genearations the maximum. I do respect the other Scholars after that I said the PRIORITY of Fard untill naffl or Kufr, shrik ,all types and classification of Shirk , Haram, Makruh tahrim , Makruh etc decides whom I should follow.

Normally when i ponder on the noble Quran i used to take many translations and tafsirs and still compare with the Quran corpus which also uses Grammar of arabic to say on it.

Only this much we could do and Allah ar rahman is my wakeel and I after trying with the sunnah , the practise of Sahabas and the asking my heart 3 times as the hadith says to ask i follow the commandments of Allah.

For example the Zakat decision as per the Aaalim nd hafiz sahab who with whom i was close ans ask doubts with when i was in my teens clearly said there is no zakat for land but the Mufti ,,,

continue inshallah later

 

[azc]

[MENTION=19166]huzaifa[/MENTION] ibn Adam : These are simply stories about muhaddisin of getting learnt 1 or 2 or 3 or 600000 ahadith.... Knowledge of Arabic isn't essential to understand this deen, however, delving into the treasures of Quran and ahadith concerning deduction and inference the rulings is the uncanny acumen of fuqha, or every layman of Arab land would be a mujtahid. Indeed, none of us is so fluent in Arabic as you but it doesn't mean that everyone is too ignorant to comprehend scriptures.

 

[Serinity]

The Qur'aan is in Arabic. Therefore must be best understood in Arabic.

English translations are an understanding of the Ayaah.

This is logical tbh.

Allahu alam

 

[Simple_Person]

am sorry to say (its not kuffar or shirk) i do not know whether He Imaam hambal said he remembered a million hadith because i could hardly believe it, similarly that Imam abu Hanifa prayed 40 years with wudu of Isha to wudu of Subuh. I believe them as exaggerations as was also said about by someone who is also knowledgeable . So I stick to the hadith ''THE BEST OF THE UMMAH 3 genearations the maximum. I do respect the other Scholars after that I said the PRIORITY of Fard untill naffl or Kufr, shrik ,all types and classification of Shirk , Haram, Makruh tahrim , Makruh etc decides whom I should follow.

Normally when i ponder on the noble Quran i used to take many translations and tafsirs and still compare with the Quran corpus which also uses Grammar of arabic to say on it.

Only this much we could do and Allah ar rahman is my wakeel and I after trying with the sunnah , the practise of Sahabas and the asking my heart 3 times as the hadith says to ask i follow the commandments of Allah.

For example the Zakat decision as per the Aaalim nd hafiz sahab who with whom i was close ans ask doubts with when i was in my teens clearly said there is no zakat for land but the Mufti ,,,

continue inshallah later

That you believe or not if he indeed remembered that amount, is not of importance, even IF he remembered really that amount. Knowledge doesn't equal to understanding. I very often see as a layman myself that some Muslims are very knowledge..and what i mean by that is..THEY SERIOUSLY ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. They know A LOT more than me. Like a machine being able to store A LOT of data without any errors being able to retrieve it (while we human beings tend to forget pieces). But it amazes me that they lack very often the understanding.

When i alhamdulillah became Muslim again, i had a discussion with a family member. He was convinced that during fasting you should not rinse your mouth when doing wudu and he also did not rinse his mouth but just put some water on his upper lip and down the chin while his mouth was closed. The whole argument began because i after the sun came up, brushed my teeth and he was convinced that that would stop my fasting. I said in the Qur'an Allah(swt) says Islam is not a burden and looking from that logical point not brushing your teeth becomes a burden as your teeth are still dirty..with also the INTENTION of really brushing your teeth not slowing water. Allah(swt) is aware of your intention and if indeed you swallowed some water. He was older than me and his whole life longer Muslims and more knowledgeable about Islam, but it was bizarre to not have any logical, rational and reasonable argument of why not brushing your teeth or rinsing your mouth doing wudu. I said when you rinse your mouth you do not swallow, rather you spit out what was in your mouth.

Another family member of mine she did not sniff water up her nose just in general when doing wudu. She said..she can't do it. But as far as i know i am not aware of any medical complications. Later on she even said that i do my wudu "too long" 3-6 minutes too long??...!!?? These things really create doubt in your heart. About rinsing of the mouth i could confirm i was doing good also with brushing teeth, also the time spent on wudu. As i read a hadith about a sahabi seeing Rasullah(saws) doing wudu slowly and carefully.

Another day i asked a simple question to the female member of mine if she ever cried when doing salah, she said no. While in the car with that other male family member of mine i looked away when i saw a woman on the street he thought as if i was acting to be better then him. He said "well i do look at women(non-mahram)"..as if it is something to be proud of to look at non-mahram women. I suspect just like me back when i was a culture-Muslim (that is how i see how i was back then) they also are convinced of Islam, but never really tasted imaan. Allah knows best off course.

So these people often they know MUCH, but they do not have a logical and rational explanation why this or why that. Thus they become extreme. The sahabah were simple people, but we have made things very complicated. Often when following logic, rationality and reason you can come to a conclusion that is the same in general what scholars say or Islam in general says.

The only things that i follow blindly so to say are the things like saying bismillah when eating or doing something or pouring water or doing the dua when going to the bathroom or undressing..later on i also have understood why doing these things for protection from evil jin and many other little Islamic habits.

 

[Serinity]

I take roughly 4-6 minutes to do wudhu.

Sadly, I rarely cry in Salaah. Not that I don't want to. It is just that I find myself focusing too much on blocking out shaytaan.

Allahu alam.

 

[Simple_Person]

I take roughly 4-6 minutes to do wudhu.

Sadly, I rarely cry in Salaah. Not that I don't want to. It is just that I find myself focusing too much on blocking out shaytaan.

Allahu alam.

My question to that female family member of mine was not if she cried sometimes in salah, but if she EVER has cried in salah. Her answer was no.

BTW, i have noticed that doing salah to achieve this, try to seclude yourself from other people when doing prayer (when doing alone). Go to a room where nobody is there. When you have achieved this (crying in salah) even when you go to masjid with people standing right next to you, you can't hold your tears back. Off course imaan goes up and down. But keeping these kind of things in mind, to repeat it and making your imaan once again go up is a good start.

About sheytan, there are certain approaches. Instead of focusing on sheytan and trying to block him..focus for example on Allah(swt). You will forget sheytan instantly. As i for example when focusing on Allah(swt) ..wanting to see His face in paradise and wanting paradise..your focus on sheytan and this dunya fades away because it becomes worthless in comparison with seeing Allah(swt) and being in paradise.

 

[Serinity]

It is just that the doubts I know the answers to, yet they still persist.

I just don't want to die like this man. I think increasing my love for Allah will do.

 

[azc]

It is just that the doubts I know the answers to, yet they still persist. I just don't want to die like this man. I think increasing my love for Allah will do.

durud/salam on prophet s.a.wSoften the heart at, so least 100 times daily, you send durud/salam and see the result

 

[Simple_Person]

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[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

@huzaifa ibn Adam : These are simply stories about muhaddisin of getting learnt 1 or 2 or 3 or 600000 ahadith.... Knowledge of Arabic isn't essential to understand this deen, however, delving into the treasures of Quran and ahadith concerning deduction and inference the rulings is the uncanny acumen of fuqha, or every layman of Arab land would be a mujtahid. Indeed, none of us is so fluent in Arabic as you but it doesn't mean that everyone is too ignorant to comprehend scriptures.

Of course, knowledge of Arabic alone is not enough. That is why, in this thread about being a Taalib-ul-`Ilm, I explained some of the required Islaamic sciences one is required to have mastered before they can even attempt to be deriving rulings from Qur'aan and Sunnah.

Also, that Imaam Ahmad memorised one million Ahaadeeth is no exaggeration. The A'immah of the past, especially the Arabs, had extremely powerful memories. Even in these days, when the memories of people have become so weak on account of the luxury of having computers and smartphones, there are still people with powerful memories. Even myself, Alhamdulillaah, I am able to read a Hadeeth just once and memorise it. During the period when I did Hifz, I used to do 10 pages of Sabaq a day. That's memorising 10 pages a day, and I was able to do it within an hour or so, Alhamdulillaah. I did the entire 26th Juz/Para as Sabaq in one day. When it came to Soorah an-Noor, I memorised the entire Soorah within one night. The Arabs of today still have very good memories, Alhamdulillaah.

So, for Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, who lived over 1,000 years ago, to memorise one million Ahaadeeth is not at all difficult to believe. He was not the only Imaam who did this. Imaam Abu Zur`ah ar-Raazi memorised 700,000. Imaam al-Bukhaari memorised 300,000. When Imaam Ahmad was asked how many Ahaadeeth one must have memorised in order to be a Mujtahid, he hinted at 400,000 "perhaps" being enough. These are historical facts narrated in the books of history. You cannot just reject historical facts because they seem impossible to you. If you can reject these historical facts, what's to stop another person from coming along and saying that he denies that the Ambiyaa ever existed? He denies that Nabi Moosaa عليه السلام existed, or Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام, or any of the other Ambiyaa? Or, another person can come along and say that he denies Adolf Hitler ever existed, or Stalin, or Marx, or Benjamin Franklin, or Abraham Lincoln; he denies that World War I and World War II ever took place, he doesn't believe that the Native Americans, Wild Indians, ever existed, etc. Using that logic, anyone could just reject anything and everything because he "feels like it". Maybe it "seems impossible" to him that World War I took place, so he rejects it. He can also say it's "not Kufr or Shirk" to reject it. Yes it's not Kufr or Shirk: it's simply Jahaalat (ignorance). There were historians who specialised in history. They made it their life's goal to just record historical events. Especially when it comes to Islaamic history, the Muslim historians spent a great deal of effort providing evidence for each of the facts they wrote down, and so they would have Asaaneed (chains of narrators) for each of the historical events, and there was the science of narrator criticism to determine the honesty and trustworthiness of each narrator in the chain, etc.

So, long story short: Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal memorised one million Ahaadeeth. What's hard to believe about that? We, as people who did Hifz, memorised the Qur'aan, 848 pages long. 848 pages! And there are thousands of Huffaaz around the world - especially in the Indo-Pak subcontinent - able to recite the entire Qur'aan from memory in one day. Many of them do that during Ramadhaan, Taraaweeh. Reciting the entire Qur'aan from memory in a single night.

Was-Salaam.

 

[ardianto]

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[Simple_Person]

Brother, please, be careful with your advice.

What mentioned in your advice actually is act of seek guidance. And we should not seek guidance from shaytan.

No you didn't understand what i mean. What i mean is asking him good questions. For example, sheytan says there is no God. But logic, rationality and reason says there is a God. If you for example would ask sheytan that ..what would be his argument against it? There is NO logical, rational and reasonable argument that can refute a the existence of a Creator. There are people who do not follow logic, rationality and reason indeed, so they are easily convinced of their own emotions.

So for example, as a single male myself..i FEEL about wanting to marry. But then i bring in the argument to assess my current situation acknowledging that i would do my wife more harm than good. This being not beneficial for me on the Day of Judgement. So sheytan wants you to follow the path you do most harm to yourself. But asking him the questions that he can't answer, you can easily in the future say "dude, i asked you already and you could not answer it..so get lost".

"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak." Qur'an 4:76

 

[ardianto]

No you didn't understand what i mean. What i mean is asking him good questions. For example, sheytan says there is no God. But logic, rationality and reason says there is a God. If you for example would ask sheytan that ..what would be his argument against it? There is NO logical, rational and reasonable argument that can refute a the existence of a Creator. There are people who do not follow logic, rationality and reason indeed, so they are easily convinced of their own emotions.

So for example, as a single male myself..i FEEL about wanting to marry. But then i bring in the argument to assess my current situation acknowledging that i would do my wife more harm than good. This being not beneficial for me on the Day of Judgement. So sheytan wants you to follow the path you do most harm to yourself. But asking him the questions that he can't answer, you can easily in the future say "dude, i asked you already and you could not answer it..so get lost".

"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak." Qur'an 4:76

I understand what you mean. But unfortunately you don't understand how dangerous the trying to communicate with, or asking question to shaytan, even if with intention to challenge. It will lead to astray.

Shaytan are not dumb, bro, they are smart. So be careful with shaytan. Don't play with them.

 

[Serinity]

Iblees is smart bro. he knows Islam. he believes in Allah, etc.

Someone like Iblees will only toy with you.

 

[Simple_Person]

I understand what you mean. But unfortunately you don't understand how dangerous the trying to communicate with, or asking question to shaytan, even if with intention to challenge. It will lead to astray.

Shaytan are not dumb, bro, they are smart. So be careful with shaytan. Don't play with them.

When doing the dishes i was thinking about this and i remembered this aya.

"He said, "Did you see when we retired to the rock? Indeed, I forgot [there] the fish. And none made me forget it except Satan - that I should mention it. And it took its course into the sea amazingly" Qur'an 18:63

Which means he can also make you even forget your argument and thus deceive you.

Jazakallahu khairan for the reminder.

 

[azc]

Of course, knowledge of Arabic alone is not enough. That is why, in this thread about being a Taalib-ul-`Ilm, I explained some of the required Islaamic sciences one is required to have mastered before they can even attempt to be deriving rulings from Qur'aan and Sunnah.Also, that Imaam Ahmad memorised one million Ahaadeeth is no exaggeration. The A'immah of the past, especially the Arabs, had extremely powerful memories. Even in these days, when the memories of people have become so weak on account of the luxury of having computers and smartphones, there are still people with powerful memories. Even myself, Alhamdulillaah, I am able to read a Hadeeth just once and memorise it. During the period when I did Hifz, I used to do 10 pages of Sabaq a day. That's memorising 10 pages a day, and I was able to do it within an hour or so, Alhamdulillaah. I did the entire 26th Juz/Para as Sabaq in one day. When it came to Soorah an-Noor, I memorised the entire Soorah within one night. The Arabs of today still have very good memories, Alhamdulillaah.So, for Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, who lived over 1,000 years ago, to memorise one million Ahaadeeth is not at all difficult to believe. He was not the only Imaam who did this. Imaam Abu Zur`ah ar-Raazi memorised 700,000. Imaam al-Bukhaari memorised 300,000. When Imaam Ahmad was asked how many Ahaadeeth one must have memorised in order to be a Mujtahid, he hinted at 400,000 "perhaps" being enough. These are historical facts narrated in the books of history. You cannot just reject historical facts because they seem impossible to you. If you can reject these historical facts, what's to stop another person from coming along and saying that he denies that the Ambiyaa ever existed? He denies that Nabi Moosaa عليه السلام existed, or Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام, or any of the other Ambiyaa? Or, another person can come along and say that he denies Adolf Hitler ever existed, or Stalin, or Marx, or Benjamin Franklin, or Abraham Lincoln; he denies that World War I and World War II ever took place, he doesn't believe that the Native Americans, Wild Indians, ever existed, etc. Using that logic, anyone could just reject anything and everything because he "feels like it". Maybe it "seems impossible" to him that World War I took place, so he rejects it. He can also say it's "not Kufr or Shirk" to reject it. Yes it's not Kufr or Shirk: it's simply Jahaalat (ignorance). There were historians who specialised in history. They made it their life's goal to just record historical events. Especially when it comes to Islaamic history, the Muslim historians spent a great deal of effort providing evidence for each of the facts they wrote down, and so they would have Asaaneed (chains of narrators) for each of the historical events, and there was the science of narrator criticism to determine the honesty and trustworthiness of each narrator in the chain, etc.So, long story short: Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal memorised one million Ahaadeeth. What's hard to believe about that? We, as people who did Hifz, memorised the Qur'aan, 848 pages long. 848 pages! And there are thousands of Huffaaz around the world - especially in the Indo-Pak subcontinent - able to recite the entire Qur'aan from memory in one day. Many of them do that during Ramadhaan, Taraaweeh. Reciting the entire Qur'aan from memory in a single night.Was-Salaam.

Glad to know of your excellent memory. ...I've no doubt about the memory of muhaddisin, actually I don't believe that so many ahadith were ever narrated. You said imam Razi rh (d 264) memorized 7 lac ahadith..... Will you tell me where these ahadith are..?????....

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Glad to know of your excellent memory. ...I've no doubt about the memory of muhaddisin, actually I don't believe that so many ahadith were ever narrated. You said imam Razi rh (d 264) memorized 7 lac ahadith..... Will you tell me where these ahadith are..?????....

The short answer is that many times, a single Hadeeth can have multiple (more than 10) different Asaaneed (chains of narrators), and this is counted by the Muhadditheen as being 10 different Ahaadeeh. So, the Matn (text) might be the same but the chain of narrators in each one is different.

See these two links:

http://sunnahonline.com/library/biographies/364-ahmad-ibn-hanbal

https://theauthenticbase.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/memory-of-bukhari-abu-dawud-ahmad-ibn-hanbal/

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'Abdullah ibn Ahmad, his son, said: "I heard Ar-Razi say: 'Your father memorised a million hadith, which I rehearsed with him according to the topic.' "
1 – Abu Zur’ah said:
“Ahmad bin Hambal had memorized one million ahadith.”
[”Uluww al-Himmah’; p. 183]