How well do you know the Anbiyaa (alayhim assalaam)?

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day Nine: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

9. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was the first Rasul (Messenger) of Allah on earth. He wasn’t only a Nabi (a person who upholds the message of the previous prophets, and is not given an independent scripture), as some opine. Which verse in the Qur’an substantiates this?

 

[AhmedGassama]

Who told you that it's in Turkey ? their mountain is named Ararat and not Al Judi, because if you say this you will be following the Bible and not the Quran.

And who even said that Al Judi is a mountain ?

There is nothing in the Quran that can indicate your sayings, as for the boat that was found in Turkey, it could be a trick from the government of Turkey so it can attract more tourists.

 

[Abz2000]

Day Nine: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

9. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was the first Rasul (Messenger) of Allah on earth. He wasn’t only a Nabi (a person who upholds the message of the previous prophets, and is not given an independent scripture), as some opine. Which verse in the Qur’an substantiates this?

i don't perceive how Adam pbuh could have received scripture since from what i gather, reading and writing wasn't really a priority of the time.
nabi means "news bearer" or "prophet" (one who is given news of future events and outcomes and prophecies to the people),
and rasul means "messenger" or "courier of a message" or "one who is sent"
many scholars have tried to understand the difference but have usually given different explanations, some have said they don't know, there appears to be a difference though since Allah says "nabiyyan wa rasoolaa".
i can't fathom who Adam would have been sent to.
Allah knows best, hope someone can answer or we can bounce ideas off each other, if you join the discussion we can try and work it out then if we can't answer - you can tell us inshaAllah

ok, now i need you to clarfy what you perceive to be the difference brother Khaalid - the sword of God.

 

[OmAbdullah]

I don't usually refer to links, but what I would write in words, I have taken from a video that helped me comprehend it.

Most of the scholars today agree that the "whole world" wasn't flooded. Even scientific evidence proves that the whole world wasn't flooded at the time of Nuh PBUH.

Here's an explanation of it:

How would you refute these then?

There are two different things: 1. the world, 2. human habitation.

From the Holy Qur'aan it is clearly understood that the whole of the mankind had to face the wrath. Before the wrath came, Allah had informed Nuh alaihi salaam about the coming of the wrath and had ordered him to make a ship/boat from wooden plates and nails with the guidance of Allah. A specific tanoor (oven made of mud and used for cooking bread) was appointed as a sign for the start of the wrath which was a terrible flood or water storm. The Prophet Nuh alaihi salaam was ordered to start riding in the boat when he saw water bubbling from the tanoor. He had to take all believers in to the boat as well as pairs of animals.

He had a big nation which included the whole of human habitation. Today we can see that Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam is a Prophet for all human beings in the whole world till the last day of this world. Just like this Nuh alaihi salaam was a Prophet for all of the mankind of that time. Of course, the human population of that time was not as vast as it is today, but there was a full nation which lived in one part of the world. Nuh alaihi salaam was the first Prophet who had to preach to an astray nation, after Adam alaihi salaam. After Adam alaihi salaam people slowly and slowly went away from Islam. They believed in the existence of Allah but they started associating partners with Allah and worshipped idols. Nuh alaihi salaam called them to the faith of oneness of God but only a few people became Muslims during 950 years of attempts of preaching. Finally Nuh alaihi salaam prayed to Allah to kill them. You can see his du'aa in surah Nuh. Then only the Muslims from his nation were saved from the flood. They also included the Muslim members of his family.

This is very certain from the Holy Quraan that NO OTHER PEOPLE EXISTED ON THE EARTH. THE WHOLE POPULATION OF THE WORLD HAS COME DOWN FROM THOSE MUSLIMS WHO WERE SAVED IN THE ARK DUE TO THEIR OBEDIENCE TO ALLAH AND ALLAH"S PROPHET NUH ALAIHI SALAAM. See the English translation of the following verses:

11. Lo! when the waters rose, We carried you upon the ship

12. That We might make it a remembrance for you, and the keen ear (person) may (hear and) understand it.

These are the verses 11 and 12 of surah Al-Haaqah. Here Allah Almighty is addressing us saying that Allah carried us upon the ship. Its commentary says that for us it is a reminder that we are here now only because our ancestors were Muslims and thus were saved in that terrible flood-- the wrath of Allah. So we must be obedient Muslims to protect ourselves from the punishment of Allah. Also in surah Hud verse 48 Allah reminded us that those people with Nuh alaihi salaam in the ship were going to become vast human population of this time. The Muslims among us were blessed by Allah even at the time of Nuh alaihi salaam while the kaafirs among us were warned of the punishment at the same time.

Now please don't say that other dynasties existed at the time of that flood.

 

[BlueOwl358]

I believe that Nabi means Prophet and Rasul means Messenger, at least that is what I have read. I may be wrong though. Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) was stated to be a Messenger and the last Prophet. A Prophet includes all Prophets, but not all Prophets are Messengers. Is that right or something? I have no idea as to the answer. Bukhari 4516 calls Noah (as) as the first Apostle, so that may help. Yes, can we get some clarification.

 

[OmAbdullah]

According to verse 15:27, Allah created the Jinn from smokeless fire, somewhere in the skies. The first Jinn was named Marij, and his wife was Marija. They had many children who divided into clans and sub-clans. One son was named Azazil, whose father was Khablith, and his mother Nablith. The entire Jinn species inhabited the earth and were generally corrupt, except for Azazil. So much did he worship that the angels grew amazed, and said to Allah: “O Lord, raise him up to heaven, so that we might learn from him and follow his good example.” So Allah brought Azazil up to live among the angels in the first heaven, and he became their arbitrator in their matters. When the Jinn on earth had exceeded all limits, Allah sent Azazil with a army of angels and fought the unbelievers, vanquishing them. Again, Azazil prayed so eagerly that he was raised up to the seventh heaven where he prayed for a further 70 000 years until Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was brought into existence.

Unconfirmed traditions say that in this time, Azazil was raised to the station of Ridwan - the guardian of Paradise, - which he held for 1000 years. Once he read an inscription on the gates of paradise: “There is a servant among the most highly favoured servants of the Almighty Lord. For a long time he will be obedient and serve his Lord well; there will come a day, when he will oppose his Lord and will be cursed that rebellious one 1000 years, not knowing not that it was to be himself. It was only when he refused to prostrate before Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) that his hidden arrogance and pride was exposed.

Sad to say that you give long stories without any evidence of truth.

 

[OmAbdullah]

bismillah arrahman arrahim :
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."(30)




And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful."(31)




They said, "Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise."(32)






He said, "O Adam, inform them of their names." And when he had informed them of their names, He said, "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed."(33)





And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.(34)





And We said, "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in [ease and] abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers."(35)





But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, "Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time."(36)





Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.(37)





We said, "Go down from it, all of you. And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.(38)




Quran : Surat Al Baqara 2:30-2:38

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I think it's clear in these verses that the earth was already created before the coming of Adam (alayhi assalam) on it. that's one.

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bismillah arrahman arrahim

"Say [O Prophet]: "I am but a mortal man like all of you. It has been revealed unto me that your God is the One and Only God. Hence, whoever looks forward [with hope and awe] to meeting his Sustainer [on Judgment Day], let him do righteous deeds, and let him not ascribe unto anyone or anything a share in the worship due to his Sustainer!"(110)

Surat AlKahf 18:110

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here also it's clear that our beloved prophet (salla Allah alayhi wa sallam) is a Human Being, not a light, not a spirit, nothing but a human being like everyone else, chosen by Allah Subhanahu wa taala to reveil His message. And in no way he is the purpose of the creation.. anything of these thoughts is missing logic, islamic knowledge , even simple reasonning. islam isn't about myths, it's about what Allah Tells us and Orders us.

May Allah bless you for presenting the TRUTH.

 

[OmAbdullah]

All of creation stayed in prostration for a period of 40 days before Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎), and in all this time, Azazil refused. Because of this, his name was immediately changed to Iblees. Being the gatekeeper of paradise and highly pious, he thought that he was more superior to even the angels who were created from light, whereas he was created from the topmost part of smokeless flame, which is the purest form of matter. Mankind was created from humble earth, how could he lower himself? He was thus expelled from the skies. (Al-Bidayah wan Nihayah of ibn Kathir Damishqi, vol. 1, page 120)

=All of creation stayed in prostration for a period of 40 days before Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎)

Iblees--- Being the gatekeeper of paradise,

~topmost part of smokeless flame, which is the purest form of matter,

Mankind was created from humble earth, how could he lower himself?

Give evidence for your statement. I don't believe that it is truly the statement of Ibn. Kathir. He would not invent the words that all creation stayed in prostration to Adam alaihi salaam for 40 day, nor that Iblees was the gatekeeper of Paradise.

Your question "how could he lower himself" is in a way as if Iblees was justified in his action of rejecting Allah's Command!!!

Who said that the topmost part of a flame is the purest form of matter?

I wonder that this book of Ibn Kathir is now changed into something to mislead people and make them respectful to Satan!!!

I also wonder that your questions, instead of focusing on the qualities and actions of Anbiyaa alaihim salaam, are mostly about Jinn and Iblees, why???

 

[OmAbdullah]

I can't go back in time to prove that the stories about them 120,000 Prophets are real as we are hearing them xD but as long as it doesn't contradict the Quran and Hadith, there's no problem in knowing them too , because we don't have that information, it can only be taken from previous religious scriptures or what history says. And because you can't go back in time to prove them, you either have to agree, disagree, or just let it stay ambiguous. I prefer it to remain ambiguous :v, but learning something ambiguous isn't wrong either eh xD.

Why don't you learn it directly from the Holy Qur'aan? You can go to the previous scriptures to learn ambiguous stories of the prophets alaihim salaam, but you cannot go to the Holy Qur'aan to learn true stories of them, very srange!!!

 

[OmAbdullah]

As far as the 120,000 Prophets and Messengers are concerned. You have no information regarding them in Quran and Hadith.
If something disagrees with Quran, we say it's wrong. If something agrees, we say it's right.
If something neither agrees nor disagrees, we say it's ambiguous, neither right, neither wrong.
As far as the remaining Prophets are concerned, we say it's ambiguous, so we are not saying it's true, neither are we saying
it's false. It's something we are just knowing and tagging as "ambiguous".
Hope this helps .

Whatever Allah has given in the Holy Quraan, is sufficient for our guidance for the matters of this world as well as for protecting us from Hell. We must try to remain in the same frame work and try to achieve our purpose which is prosparity here and in the hereafter. If Allah didn't give us details about 120.000 prophets, then why should we search about them? Did you complete your duties for the present Qur'aan that you are in need for more details? I wonder how can I try to fulfil my duties for the present Qur'aan, so I don't search for more, nor do I need it.

 

[BlueOwl358]

Ok, can someone explan what this second trail of conversion is that is following the main thread? Something about history and religion or something.

 

[shafat10]

Sister nbegam,
Well I haven't done a deep research myself on the topic of whether the flood drowned the whole world or not, but I did read the researches of scholars on this topic and I agree more with those scholars who say that the whole world wasn't flooded, just the few people of Nuh PBUH.
Moreover, the Bible says the whole world was flooded and this is listed as some of the top mistakes in Biblical scriptures according to modern science, hence I agree with those scholars who read in context and with tafaseers that they explain that the whole world wasn't flooded but just the tribe of Nuh PBUH.

The Quran doesn't say "the whole world was flooded", I got to say this again, in context, the Quran doesn't talk about a worldly flood. In context it just talks about the people of Nuh.
So either way, it's up to you, I don't want to argue on this.

And regarding the 120,000 Prophets, see, you said Quran doesn't speak about it so you don't need to know them. Sister, the Quran also doesn't speak about 2+2=4. So does that mean you don't need 2+2=4 in your life? Lol.
The Quran is not a book of Science, SCIENCE, it's a book of signs, SIGNS. If the Quran had every knowledge, then it would be as big as the Burj Khalifa, which is not the case.
Please don't misunderstand, the Quran isn't a book of everything, it's a book of Signs, it is a book of Ayats, to know more about how to lead our daily life, the basic principles are given in the Hadith.
But the Quran also says to gain knowledge. This knowledge is both religious knowledge and worldly knowledge too. Please note!
So the part of Prophets not mentioned is pretty much like worldly knowledge. Same like how you study F=ma in Physics. It helps you lead your life, similarly this knowledge gives you some past experiences of Prophets which is "helpful" if you keep in mind.
Just because Allah didn't write in Quran doesn't mean you cannot learn it for "worldly knowledge".
I already said, F=ma is also not written in Quran. Does that mean using this formula is Haram? Lol.
Hence like I said, something agrees with Quran, we say it's true, something disagrees, we say it's false. Something neither agrees nor disagrees, we say it's ambiguous . And this knowledge which neither matches, nor contradicts, I tag it as "ambiguous" and there's nothing wrong if you learn about them, just like there's nothing wrong in learning F=ma.

And you asked if I have all knowledge of Quran to move to more researches, definitely not! I don't, even my next 25 generations won't. You cannot expect a person to understand everything of the Quran and Hadith even if he lives for 100 years. The most we can do is research and learn, which we do, and which the scholars of the past and present did and do, and scholars of the future will too Inshallah.
Hope this helps.

 

[Abz2000]

the term messenger appears to denote a distance of a people from God's kingdom - where He sends an envoy,
the term nabi appears to denote a bearer of tidings within the kingdom of God, either running the show or a teacher/advisor to the king and/or people without being primarily at odds, some took on both roles one after another, if such were the case, Adam pbuh would be a Nabi.

i have in the past searched "nabi vs rasul" "nabi rasul difference" and gotten widely varying opinions of some of the more renowned scholars, however i just found this interesting chart and notice that the messengers were normally sent to nations considered as stranger/rebellious/transgressing/renegade kingdoms.
most who fall under nabi appear to be with "friendlies"

chart is built in this link, you'll find it under the heading: Prophets and messengers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_and_messengers_in_Islam

and Allah knows best.

 

[shafat10]

the term messenger appears to denote a distance of a people from God's kingdom - where He sends an envoy,
the term nabi appears to denote a bearer of tidings within the kingdom of God, either running the show or a teacher/advisor to the king and/or people without being primarily at odds, some took on both roles one after another, if such were the case, Adam pbuh would be a Nabi.

i have in the past searched "nabi vs rasul" "nabi rasul difference" and gotten widely varying opinions of some of the more renowned scholars, however i just found this interesting chart and notice that the messengers were normally sent to nations considered as stranger/rebellious/transgressing/renegade kingdoms.
most who fall under nabi appear to be with "friendlies"

chart is built in this link, you'll find it under the heading: Prophets and messengers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_and_messengers_in_Islam

and Allah knows best.

A Prophet (Nabi) is someone sent by God (selected by God) to guide the people.
A Messenger (Rasool) is also the same, but he has a message, a risala, a guidance, a booklet - book.
So a Nabi is not a Rasool, but a Rasool is a Nabi.
Every Messenger is a Prophet, but every Prophet isn't a Messenger.

Hope this helps .

 

[shafat10]

i don't perceive how Adam pbuh could have received scripture since from what i gather, reading and writing wasn't really a priority of the time.
nabi means "news bearer" or "prophet" (one who is given news of future events and outcomes and prophecies to the people),
and rasul means "messenger" or "courier of a message" or "one who is sent"
many scholars have tried to understand the difference but have usually given different explanations, some have said they don't know, there appears to be a difference though since Allah says "nabiyyan wa rasoolaa".
i can't fathom who Adam would have been sent to.
Allah knows best, hope someone can answer or we can bounce ideas off each other, if you join the discussion we can try and work it out then if we can't answer - you can tell us inshaAllah

ok, now i need you to clarfy what you perceive to be the difference brother Khaalid - the sword of God.

It's not mandatory that one has to know how to write and read in order to receive a message. Our Prophet PBUH was illiterate, wasn't he? So didn't any revelation come to him?

A Messenger of God has a message, a risala, hence they are called Rasool.
But Prophets don't have a risala, they preach the message that came before them. No specific revelation is sent to them.

Hence a Messenger is also a Prophet, but a Prophet is not a Messenger.

Hope this helps .

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day Nine: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

9. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was the first Rasul (Messenger) of Allah on earth. He wasn’t only a Nabi (a person who upholds the message of the previous prophets, and is not given an independent scripture), as some opine. Which verse in the Qur’an substantiates this?

“Verily Allah had chosen Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of ‘Imran over the creation.” (Qur’an 3:33)

 

[shafat10]

I believe that Nabi means Prophet and Rasul means Messenger, at least that is what I have read. I may be wrong though. Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) was stated to be a Messenger and the last Prophet. A Prophet includes all Prophets, but not all Prophets are Messengers. Is that right or something? I have no idea as to the answer. Bukhari 4516 calls Noah (as) as the first Apostle, so that may help. Yes, can we get some clarification.

Yah, every Messenger is a Prophet but every Prophet is not a Messenger.

A Messenger is someone to whom a message has been given, a revelation, a risala, hence the name Rasool.
On the other hand, a Prophet is someone who preaches the previous messages sent to the community. No new message or revelation, or risala is given to him.

Hence every Messenger is a Prophet but every Prophet is not a Messenger, hope this helps.

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day Ten: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

10. Why did Allah name the first human “Adam”?

 

[Insaanah]

Day Nine: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

9. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was the first Rasul (Messenger) of Allah on earth. He wasn’t only a Nabi (a person who upholds the message of the previous prophets, and is not given an independent scripture), as some opine. Which verse in the Qur’an substantiates this?

“Verily Allah had chosen Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of ‘Imran over the creation.” (Qur’an 3:33)

respected Sheikh,

Please could you elaborate on how this verse shows that Adam alayhissalaam was a rasool?

Ma'aariful Qur'an, Taf'heemul Qur'an, and Tafseer Ibn Kathir all mention that the purpose of the verse is as an introduction to the the discourse that follows about Isa alayhissalaam. In addition, Tafsir ibn Kathir says:

"Allah states that He has chosen these households over the people of the earth. For instance, Allah chose Adam, created him with His Hand and blew life into him. Allah commanded the angels to prostrate before Adam, taught him the names of everything and allowed him to dwell in Paradise, but then sent him down from it out of His wisdom. Allah chose Nuh and made him the first Messenger to the people of the earth, when the people worshipped idols and associated others with Allah in worship. "

In addition, there is a hadeeth in Saheeh al Bukhari, on how people will ask the prophets and messengers (peace be on them) for intercession on the Day of Judgement. First they will ask Adam alayhissalaam.

"...Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Messenger that Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.'

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 3
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4476

Another version says:

"....On that Adam will reply, 'My Lord is so angry as He has never been before and will never be in the future; (besides), He forbade me (to eat from) the tree, but I disobeyed (Him), (I am worried about) myself! Myself! Go to somebody else; go to Noah.' They will go to Noah and say; 'O Noah! You are the first of the messengers of Allah to the people of the earth, and Allah named you a thankful slave. Don't you see in what a (miserable) state we are and to what condition we have reached? Will you not intercede for us with your Lord?..."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3340
In-book reference : Book 60, Hadith 15
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 556
(deprecated numbering scheme)

Above hadeeth translations are parts of longer ahadeeth.

If you meant 10:47, which says: "And for every nation is a messenger. So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged"

Some say that Adam alayhissalaam wasn't set to an ummah, qawm or nation, as there wasn't one yet for him to be sent to, and they are normally sent when people are steeped in disbelief, and that all people were one group upon monotheism. Then, when polytheism came about, Allah sent Nooh alyahissalaam to them as a rasool.

Others say the story of the two sons of Adam (alayhissalaam) show that they had a sharee'ah they were supposed to follow, and therefore Adam alayhissalaam was a rasool for his children.

Would it be fair to say that there is a difference of opinion on this question, and that the opinion that he was a prophet but not a messenger could also be correct?

:jz:

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Excellent analysis

Masha Allâh

These are not matters of Aqeedah, so there can be difference of opinion on many issues. In fact, in some places I haven't even pointed out the various difference of opinion for fear of making it too academic for the lay person.

I think the issue comes in on the suhuf of adam as.... can a nabi receive it, or only a Rasul?

I really love the academic spirit which some of these questions have elicited

Jazakallah