I am Saddened by all of you

[Malt]

Just a side note. I do not for one second think that EVERY muslim is like this. I am not so Naive, But it is an alarmingly large amount who share these views.
Even those who do not take un-nessacary action, but hold with the closed minded views are within the scope of my original post.
Im deeply sorry if it offends you but its the impressision given to me not only by the media but the Muslims posting in this thread.

 

[afriend]

I expected no less response than I was given. From the majority an aggressive comeback telling me oh how wrong I am in my Opinion (which as much as youd like to force me to think otherwise, I will keep)

Saying the majority of Muslims are not like what has given me this impression Is false. This very forum is what prompted me to have to post this. "Boycott Denmark products" "Jarhead = Jihad... Movie Conspiracy against Muslims".

Overly Sensitive, constantly afraid, easily offended, over reactive. Those are words I would use to describe the majority of Muslims. If you on this board represent the lower end of the religion (Ie not Fanatics) then its no wonder I have these impressions.

Learn to accept peoples opinions. It does not matter If someone pokes fun at your religion, or your people. As long as it isnt discrimination, it does not matter. Newpapers in western nations poke fun at everything, Our own leaders, Religious or Political, other well known Identities, even stereotyped groups within society. Take it on the chin, and get over it.

I will wait in amusement for the barrage of even more aggressive response posts to file in, thus further proving my point.

OHHHHH!!!

So it's an opinion now is it? ok:

Let me start of to say this is not an attack. Just a confession of sorts.

See, you get caught out very quickly, if u had said it was your opinion then we wouldn't have done anything so against you, but you were making it out as though it is fact that all muslims are Fanatics and extremists and war lovers...........I don't understand..........Please explain.

 

[abdul Majid]

Malt You Know Some People Are Denined The Truth By Their Media !!
Yes People Are Angry !! Ofcorse, They See Their Brothers ,sisters,children, Getting Killed, Raped, Murdered, Beated, Everyday....you Cant Smile About It, We Care About Each Other As Muslims,,

Muslims Meaning= And Islamer Persay In English

 

[Malt]

Iqram, I do not care what you choose to believe about me. I know myself as a person better than Anyone else and That is why I believe it is a damn shame that I have been lead to form this Opinion I have about Muslims as a whole.
If you happen to think little of me then good for you, It does not affect me at all.

I recognise now that alot of Muslims do not subscribe to the views that I am adverse to, and while I will never agree with the basic principles you all believe in, I can without any trouble at all support your right to believe them.

It is when action begins being taken within my own borders, borders of a country with views that contradict your own, that I begin to get annoyed.

And i will re-iterate it was not an attack, those who strait away imply that It was are just looking for trouble.. Its un-nessacary.

 

[afriend]

Iqram, I do not care what you choose to believe about me. I know myself as a person better than Anyone else and That is why I believe it is a damn shame that I have been lead to form this Opinion I have about Muslims as a whole.
If you happen to think little of me then good for you, It does not affect me at all.

I recognise now that alot of Muslims do not subscribe to the views that I am adverse to, and while I will never agree with the basic principles you all believe in, I can without any trouble at all support your right to believe them.

It is when action begins being taken within my own borders, borders of a country with views that contradict your own, that I begin to get annoyed.

And i will re-iterate it was not an attack, those who strait away imply that It was are just looking for trouble.. Its un-nessacary.

see, i am very ashamed of you as well for not reading my reply, I was actually agreeing to a few things you said, read my first post of this thread, once you have done that, reply again........

 

[Cheb]

I expected no less response than I was given. From the majority an aggressive comeback telling me oh how wrong I am in my Opinion (which as much as youd like to force me to think otherwise, I will keep)

Saying the majority of Muslims are not like what has given me this impression Is false. This very forum is what prompted me to have to post this. "Boycott Denmark products" "Jarhead = Jihad... Movie Conspiracy against Muslims".

Overly Sensitive, constantly afraid, easily offended, over reactive. Those are words I would use to describe the majority of Muslims. If you on this board represent the lower end of the religion (Ie not Fanatics) then its no wonder I have these impressions.

Learn to accept peoples opinions. It does not matter If someone pokes fun at your religion, or your people. As long as it isnt discrimination, it does not matter. Newpapers in western nations poke fun at everything, Our own leaders, Religious or Political, other well known Identities, even stereotyped groups within society. Take it on the chin, and get over it.

I will wait in amusement for the barrage of even more aggressive response posts to file in, thus further proving my point.

Salam.
You described us as being "Overly Sensitive, constantly afraid, easily offended, over reactive". However you then you say "Learn to accept peoples opinions". This works both ways. You should also respect our opinion, BUT without crossing the line. See personally I believe in freedom of speech and expression but with certain limits.
Take this for example, let us say a person comes up to another and makes fun of his dead father whom he loved, respected and admired so much. He then spreads lies about him to the entire neighborhood. How do you think the other person would feel? Being allowed to do this is WRONG in my opinion. Not only if you take it in religion's perspective.
See our feelings towards these cartoons are one thing and our actions are another. We have the right to boycott, protest ect. as long as it does not break any law (of Islam and of the country). Unfortunately that is not always the case, and that is what the media shows.
Being a non-Muslim it is hard for you to know how bad these cartoons are for Muslims. You just do not get it, and I understand that, but can you respect our opinion about it?
Peace.

 

[Malt]

The difference is the delivery system between your 2 examples. The media itself is not taken 100% seriously by everyone... And a newpaper "funny" as it is known, is known by everyone to be a joke, and that is it.

Spreading rumours around a neighbourhood about someones dead father, and publishing obviously humourous cartoons about a well known religious figurehead are 2 different things.

 

[afriend]

So what you want us to do?

Just get insulted down to the max.....And all we do is take the bullet?

THEN EXPLAIN TO ME THIS ONE THING, WHEN AMERICA WAS ATTCKED ON 9/11, WHY DID THEY RETALIATE?

 

[Malt]

Because the leader of the USA is a bad leader, that Is why.

But on that same note... A cartoon is nothing like the destruction and murder of thousands of people is it.

 

[afriend]

So what?

What about in Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq?

there has been more deaths in these few regions than 5 9/11s.

I'm not saying that 9/11 was a good thing.....one of my relatives died in the Twin towers.

 

[Cheb]

The difference is the delivery system between your 2 examples. The media itself is not taken 100% seriously by everyone... And a newpaper "funny" as it is known, is known by everyone to be a joke, and that is it.

Spreading rumours around a neighbourhood about someones dead father, and publishing obviously humourous cartoons about a well known religious figurehead are 2 different things.

I am sorry but they are not different things. They have the same emotional affect. That is what most non-Muslims dont get. This really isnt just a cartoon. Freedom of expression, does that mean we should let the Nazis express themselves again?

 

[Malt]

Cheb in that statement "This is what most non-Muslims dont get" you have yourself summed up what I am trying to say.

You as a group are over reacting, and need to respect whomever drew the cartoons right to do so, the editors right to include them, the companies right to print and distribute the cartoons.

The intentions behind the cartoons are not to degrade muslims, nor to degrade Muhummad. They are just alike every other cartoon making fun of some public figure or commonly known subject matter. It happens every day, the fact of the matter is the second It comes to your group, you over react.

 

[afriend]

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But it's my opinion that Israel has weapons of mass destruction and therefore they should be eliminated.

Their women abused, the children subjected to torture and death, and the men forced to do these actions to their family members.

Freedom of speech for ya...thank you for freedom of speech.

 

[Malt]

Seperate yourself from the rest of society, go ahead.

If you dont like being treated differently, stop acting so different.

There is a balance between your beliefs, and living in Society. Find it. Nearly every other religion has done so.

 

[Malt]

Iqram, If that is occuring in Israel then I would agree that It should be dealt with.

I dont think their 'Elimination' is what I would suggest but It is unfair that that sort of thing may or may not happen there.

 

[afriend]

Iqram, If that is occuring in Israel then I would agree that It should be dealt with.

I dont think their 'Elimination' is what I would suggest but It is unfair that that sort of thing may or may not happen there.

But it's not thier land in the first place(read history of WWII and the holocaust)

The palestinians were just forced to let them in.

 

[Malt]

I know how it came to be given to them.
It was always bound to cause conflict.

It is also a fact I read that one of the other places being considered at the time to grant then was in Australia. Probably would have been a better idea to put it here when it came down to it.

 

[afriend]

I know how it came to be given to them.
It was always bound to cause conflict.

It is also a fact I read that one of the other places being considered at the time to grant then was in Australia. Probably would have been a better idea to put it here when it came down to it.

Yes, that's an opinion that wouldn't start off WWIII, if the whole world used this kind of language, then the world would be a better place.

 

[sargon]

Seperate yourself from the rest of society, go ahead.

If you dont like being treated differently, stop acting so different.

There is a balance between your beliefs, and living in Society. Find it. Nearly every other religion has done so.

What is "Society" to you? There will never be a "toning down," or "suger coating," or "moderation" of Gods word, and that about ends that conversation.

About "over-reacting," many people did, and as stated by Cheb I believe, many people reacted in an honorable fashion.

I like the example used, if your dead father was being insulted and lied about publicly, in your local newspaper for example, you would just sit there and say, well, he has his freedom of speech? I think you'd also feel very hurt and upset. There is a difference between our prophet(pbuh) and a father technically but not in matters of emotion and respect.

As Muslims we respect Muhammed very much, and follow his example as an honorable person, caring, wise, intellegent, and most important, a very holy, God worshipping speaker of truth.

It is because we believe this man to be the best of men, whom undertook the hardest of tasks that a human could take, and without selfish desire preached and acted out the last message from God to mankind.

If you could fathom the amount of responisbility and care needed to do such a thing... Try to imagine being Luke Skywalker, maybe then you could relate.

So anyways, if this man whom you believe to be all that, is being slandered in the worst of ways, what would you feel? If your father was being slandered in the worst of ways, what would you do?

 

[Muhammad]

Hello Malt,

You as a group are over reacting, and need to respect whomever drew the cartoons right to do so, the editors right to include them, the companies right to print and distribute the cartoons.

The intentions behind the cartoons are not to degrade muslims, nor to degrade Muhummad. They are just alike every other cartoon making fun of some public figure or commonly known subject matter. It happens every day, the fact of the matter is the second It comes to your group, you over react.

It is difficult to actually know the true intentions behind something, other than to assume; some people might think of the publications as an innocent mistake, others might find it as purposeful provocation. Whatever people believe, it is important to be aware of the fact that there are deeper meanings and underlying factors that have led to the response you have seen; irrespective of whether it was right or wrong.

Newpapers in western nations poke fun at everything, Our own leaders, Religious or Political, other well known Identities, even stereotyped groups within society. Take it on the chin, and get over it.

Newspapers do such things, yes, but there needs to be a line between what is acceptable and what is not. There are already boundaries beyond which they cannot pass: they cannot incite crime under the heading of 'freedom of expression' for example. Some forms of entertainment are acceptable since they are not personal attacks but lighthearted fun, whereas we are all aware that we cannot just make anything the butt of a joke: out of respect for that person and consideration of the feelings of other people. A person might be free to do so, yet it isn't a nice thing to do - hence a negative reaction.

The matter becomes more complicated when we find that it isn't an issue of "our group" who gets offended and that everybody else takes the same level of mockery, because that isn't the case. Look here for example:

Danish paper REJECTED Jesus cartoons (yes, the SAME danish paper printing mohammed)

How do you think this makes us feel? If the media company already demonstrates control and respect in its freedom of speech, why does it not use this intellect equally? Perhaps it is not the fact that Muslims want to be treated differently... maybe they are actually being targeted. This is one of the very beliefs that heightens the affair from a simple 'expression of freedom of speech' to 'an attack on Islam'. Brother Ansar Al-'Adl mentioned something similar in one of his posts (and put it quite well) which you can read here: http://www.islamicboard.com/176386-post34.html

Furthermore, if we look at the actual cartoons and what they portrayed; it went beyond mere cartoons and entertainment. They endorsed a misconception that Islam taught violence, and that terrorism should be associated with Islam. Whether or not these were the intentions behind them, the fact remains that the cartoons misrepresented Islam and struck hard at a time when it is already seen in a negative light.

Learn to accept peoples opinions. It does not matter If someone pokes fun at your religion, or your people. As long as it isnt discrimination, it does not matter.

We do accept people's opinions. It's when opinions become attacks and mockery when people feel hurt and angered. If people kept those opinions to themselves or at least expressed them in a civilised manner, perhaps they would get a better response.

Saying the majority of Muslims are not like what has given me this impression Is false. This very forum is what prompted me to have to post this. "Boycott Denmark products" "Jarhead = Jihad... Movie Conspiracy against Muslims".

Overly Sensitive, constantly afraid, easily offended, over reactive. Those are words I would use to describe the majority of Muslims. If you on this board represent the lower end of the religion (Ie not Fanatics) then its no wonder I have these impressions.

But have you really seen the views of the majority of Muslims? You have mentioned just 2 threads, one which is mere speculation by someone, and this seems to lead to a handful of conclusions about a worldwide religion. What about these threads:

isn't it our FAULT? - IMPORTANT
Strong coexistence btwn Danish Muslims and Christians
is all this anger over the cartoonists worth it enough to punish da whole of denmark?
Cartoons worse than murder??
We are sorry
building bridges
Top Misconceptions About Islam
Does Islam Tolerate Other Beliefs?
Help define our Prophet and show his real image
stop disrespecting the Prophet, O Muslim..!!!
Plan to Do Insh'Allah
Peaceful demonstration
Building a bridge of Understanding btwn different faiths? at College?
Peaceful Protest Here..
‘Celebrate Muhammad’ (pbuH)
The Qur’an And Violence
Islam Vs Terrorism
Give yourselves a Good-Beating!
Let There Be No Compulsion in Religion

And the list could go on

Peace.