I dont think christians and muslims worship the same God

Sabi said:
Why do you write God in the same way as an Hassidic Jew?:?
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Im not gonna begin to try adress the rest of your post boss, because I dont know how much effort you put in it, seems efortless but, to me it would take big effort to answer it :giggling: :giggling:

Anyhow, regarding the writing of G-d, it is because I have a friend who is Jews and I used to go to his forum from which I saw him use G-d and so followed him in order to not be kinda offensive.

Hope that clears things up


peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
Hey glo.


Maybe this aayah (sign/verse) might be of some help:


029.065: And when they mount upon the ships they pray to Allah, making their faith pure for Him only, but when He bringeth them safe to land, behold! they ascribe partners (unto Him),


So the pagan arabs did know that there was only one God that they should worship. This showed up when they needed God the most, but when they felt safe - they associated partners with Allaah and believed that they would intercede on their behalf to God.

A really good example is of the uncle of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - his name was hamza (may Allaah be pleased with him), and the night before he became muslim, he was confused about whether he should stick to the ways of polytheism or the religion of his nephew Muhammad (peace be upon him) which was monotheism. Instead of praying to the idols, he stayed up all night praying to the one true God, and asking for guidance from God without any idols 'interceding' on his behalf. And alhamdulillah (praise be to Allaah) - the next morning he became muslim.


So that example does show that the arabs did actually believe in the one true God, but they felt that the idols interceded on their behalf to God - and that is a form of polytheism if you are worshipping the idol instead of directly worshipping God.


..and Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
I wass under the impression there was only one God, so what is this talk of Christians not believing in that God?
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From what I have observed that occured many times, is that non-muslims wether it be christians, jews, or even catholics don't think we muslims worship the same God they do.

For some odd reason just becuase we name our god (Allah(swt) they are simply mistaken that it is a different God.

Allah(swt) is God's name in Arabic. Arabic is the language of Islam. The quran was revelated through Arabic.

Just like how Latin was mainly for the catholic faith. This language no more exists, however, it is still spoken by many people.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Hey glo.


Maybe this aayah (sign/verse) might be of some help:


029.065: And when they mount upon the ships they pray to Allah, making their faith pure for Him only, but when He bringeth them safe to land, behold! they ascribe partners (unto Him),


So the pagan arabs did know that there was only one God that they should worship. This showed up when they needed God the most, but when they felt safe - they associated partners with Allaah and believed that they would intercede on their behalf to God.

A really good example is of the uncle of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - his name was hamza (may Allaah be pleased with him), and the night before he became muslim, he was confused about whether he should stick to the ways of polytheism or the religion of his nephew Muhammad (peace be upon him) which was monotheism. Instead of praying to the idols, he stayed up all night praying to the one true God, and asking for guidance from God without any idols 'interceding' on his behalf. And alhamdulillah (praise be to Allaah) - the next morning he became muslim.


So that example does show that the arabs did actually believe in the one true God, but they felt that the idols interceded on their behalf to God - and that is a form of polytheism if you are worshipping the idol instead of directly worshipping God.


..and Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.
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Yea this is so true peep:

Surah Yunus 10:31 YUSUFALI: Say: "Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? and who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?" They will soon say, "Allah". Say, "will ye not then show piety (to Him)?"
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Surah Az-Zukhruf 43:87 YUSUFALI: If thou ask them, who created them, they will certainly say, Allah: How then are they deluded away (from the Truth)?
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Surah Yoosuf 12:106 YUSUFALI: And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!
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Allah is the name of al-Dhat al-Qudsiyya (Ruhullah), so we can say that in the beginning there was al-Dhat al-Qudsiyya and its name (Allah). In Hebrew they say that in the beginning was HaQodesh and its name (HaShem). In Christianity they say that in the beginning there was Theos and its name (TonTheon).

The reason this thread exists, I think, is because to Christians, Theos is clearly begetter and begotten, while in Tawheed, TonTheon/HaShem/Allah is neither begetter nor begotten.

Whereas, The Ruhullah is Begetter and Begotten, it is not Allah. So clearly the Christian Theos that they pray to is Ruhullah, while they have stopped recognising the importance of TonThon/Allah/HaShem outside of the prayer where they say "Hallowed be Thy Name".

So we all believe in the same things, but different emphasis is placed upon name vs essence in the different branches of Noah's religion.

But we must not confound the two. The Name does not have a son, while The Essence is certainly in each of us Inshallah.

(at the very least, this is the sabi perspective)

Does this not settle the matter?
 
Sabi said:
Allah is the name of al-Dhat al-Qudsiyya (Ruhullah), so we can say that in the beginning there was al-Dhat al-Qudsiyya and its name (Allah). In Hebrew they say that in the beginning was HaQodesh and its name (HaShem). In Christianity they say that in the beginning there was Theos and its name (TonTheon).

The reason this thread exists, I think, is because to Christians, Theos is clearly begetter and begotten, while in Tawheed, TonTheon/HaShem/Allah is neither begetter nor begotten.

Whereas, The Ruhullah is Begetter and Begotten, it is not Allah. So clearly the Christian Theos that they pray to is Ruhullah, while they have stopped recognising the importance of TonThon/Allah/HaShem outside of the prayer where they say "Hallowed be Thy Name".

So we all believe in the same things, but different emphasis is placed upon name vs essence in the different branches of Noah's religion.

But we must not confound the two. The Name does not have a son, while The Essence is certainly in each of us Inshallah.

(at the very least, this is the sabi perspective)

Does this not settle the matter?
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Im totally thrown off and confused by this whole TonTheos and so on, I honestly dont understand bro. Sorry if I am testin your patience.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Hey glo.


Maybe this aayah (sign/verse) might be of some help:


029.065: And when they mount upon the ships they pray to Allah, making their faith pure for Him only, but when He bringeth them safe to land, behold! they ascribe partners (unto Him),


So the pagan arabs did know that there was only one God that they should worship. This showed up when they needed God the most, but when they felt safe - they associated partners with Allaah and believed that they would intercede on their behalf to God.


Peace.
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Yes, that's what I read too.
ost of the time people worshipped various gods, amongst them three daughters of al-Lah ... but when the going got tought they turned towards al-Lah, who was considered the 'main god'.

Be patient with me, Fi_Sabilillah.
I am writing as I am learning, and my knoledge is very limited indeed.
And I'm afraid part of my learning will include questioning, doubting and quite possibly disagreeing. :rollseyes :?

Peace.:thankyou:
 
Halima said:
From what I have observed that occured many times, is that non-muslims wether it be christians, jews, or even catholics don't think we muslims worship the same God they do.

For some odd reason just becuase we name our god (Allah(swt) they are simply mistaken that it is a different God.

Allah(swt) is God's name in Arabic. Arabic is the language of Islam. The quran was revelated through Arabic.

Just like how Latin was mainly for the catholic faith. This language no more exists, however, it is still spoken by many people.
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This makes sense, but to me that would be ignorance on their part. Call God by what name one desires but the destination is the same.

Although i don't believe that God can be acheived via the worship of idols, Images - This is where i draw the line.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
Im totally thrown off and confused by this whole TonTheos and so on, I honestly dont understand bro. Sorry if I am testin your patience.
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Salaamu Aleikum brother,

Do no worry too much about it brother. The confusions in the religions come from using translations, hence Sabi`een only use the Greek Injeel, The Hebrew Tanakh and the Arabic Quran, etc. (but something I feel about you tells me that on some level you already know all this). Ton Theon (not Theos) is Allah, and Theos is Pneuma (i.e. Ruhullah). It is as simple as that. This is from the Injeel.

"In the beginning there was Logos and Logos was with TonTheon and Logos was Theos."

and elsewhere in the Injeel

"Theos is Pneuma" (Pneuma = Ruhullah).

Hence Pneuma (Ruhullah) & Tontheon (Allah) are different.

Hope this helps.
 
I get it kinda but it don't really settle much, because the Christians believe as you have stated that Theos is the beggetter and begotten, whichc is no problem, but Christians also believe that Theos was begotten by TonTheon which both the Jews and Muslims disagree with since, I think we both agree that TonTheon=Hashem=Allah.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
I get it kinda but it don't really settle much, because the Christians believe as you have stated that Theos is the beggetter and begotten, which is no problem, but Christians also believe that Theos was begotten by TonTheon which both the Jews and Muslims disagree with since, I think we both agree that TonTheon=Hashem=Allah.
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Exactly! Remember that TonTheon ISTAWA The Throne and that Heaven is The Throne while Theos is IN Heaven, and His Name (the name he gave) is Hallowed.

Shalom!
 
Sabi said:
Exactly! Remember that TonTheon ISTAWA The Throne and that Heaven is The Throne while Theos is IN Heaven, and His Name (the name he gave) is Hallowed.

Shalom!
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Well He rose over the Throne, but I dont think Muslims believe the Throne is in heaven, maybe above the seven heavens, not in the heaven.

So 'our father who art in heaven' could be right or wrong i am not sure.

But if someone believes in a TonTheon that begets then it aint the same as the one who dont beget.

Maybe they believe i nthe same one but are mistaken with regards to his attribute.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
Well He rose over the Throne, but I dont think Muslims believe the Throne is in heaven, maybe above the seven heavens, not in the heaven.
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According to prophet Isaiah (SAW) Heaven is the throne., so it is accurate to say that The throne is not in Heaven. If the Heavens is the throne, then it stands to reason that Tontheon (SWT) is high exaulted over and above the heavens.


IsaAbdullah said:
So 'our father who art in heaven' could be right or wrong i am not sure.
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Well `Isa (SAW) said this (in the context of Hailing the Ruhullah) so I think it is correct.

IsaAbdullah said:
But if someone believes in a TonTheon that begets then it aint the same as the one who dont beget.

Maybe they believe in the same one but are mistaken with regards to his attribute.
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Exactly. No clarification needed here at all. We are totally reading from the same page. You da man bro!
 
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Salam.
I just want to clarify something. If one-third of the christian "GOD" is killed, is it not suicide. So why did God create people and gave them a choice, so they should choose what they want to do.
Also, as salvation is for all those people who accept modern christianity, which is mixed up with Saul and then the Romans. All types of justice are cancelled out. If a christian commits a crime, he/she gets away with it in the next life.
As for the divinity of prophet Jesus, it was something brought in by Saul, and rejected by the followers of Jesus, to this day there are still some christians who do not believe in Jesus as a part of "GOD". The idea was brought in to try and currupt the christians, but was later taken up as un updated religious system by the 4th century romans and the emporer Constantine.
 
Yes Christianity as we know it was invented by the deified Roman Caesar Constantine.

No Saul of Tarsus did not invent Christianity nor the divinity of a human being, Saul is severely misunderstood. One would not give a book on the Human Genome to a middleschool science student, neither should Saul's writings be expected to be understood by anyone who has not already got a sound grounding in Tawheed, and Injeel.

The Ruhullah is inside all living things, when they die is that suicide? Not at all. The sadness is that the Chritians of Constantine do not realise that they have forgotten Tontheon, and only worship spirit.
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace to you Isa Abdullah;

Regardless of who we say we follow, whether it be Hindu, Jew, Islam, Christianity or any other faith, all our prayers are heard by the same God.

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith understanding

Eric
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Very good words. The more people that can adhere to them, the tighter the grasp of understanding and tolerance will become.

Peace be with you always.
 

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