Originally posted by Judas
These types of statements cannot be answered in retaliation of my concerns
This type of statement is the same as me saying, people of non-religion, and developed countries live a fuller life than religious groups bound by their traditions.
You seem to value science so much yet you disregard scientific proofs completely.
In 2002 Brian Johnson with his colleagues from Pennsylvania University reviewed around 500 studies made about religion and concluded that most of them showed a positive link between religious commitment and higher level of self-esteem, lower levels of hypertension, depression and criminality.
This is pure fact and statistics that shows a positive effect of religion on a person and on the whole society. Why would you now refute it with some similar response when you claim to hold science so dear?
I feel sorry for the crowded Christian churches on Sundays, or the muslims bowing at some wall every day; as I spend happy times in the park/beach/absolutely any outing on this holiday, of which we must cherish in our working life.
Just like I feel sorry for all the atheists who spend this life following whatever desires they have and then spend an eternity in Hellfire. But this type of claims are non-important as they don't prove anything about whether religion is good or bad.
Hello, wake up. Religious wars are the most ongoing wars of them all
And not against us "normals" But against other religions. Lets hope they both blow themselves up. Why wait for the next generation to say, oh I'm not living that old religious way, its madness.
Religious wars? Are you sure they really are that much religious and not more about fighting against the occupation?
And why do you talk about "blowing themselves up" when suicide bombing is strictly forbidden in Islam?
Let me make this extremely clear to you
I am not going to argue fairytale with science. If you bring these types of questions and statements up, I'll likely laugh it off, or provide a better example of non-religious way of life.
If you cannot grasp the idea of God and religion than at least argue the scientific facts I've presented with science. But if you continue in the same manner not responding with any real arguments backed up by some facts of studies or science and continue just spreading hatred about religions this whole debate is useless and perhaps this board is not a very proper place for you. Try at least to argue in a bit more polite and civilized manner, show us that you really are that mature person you claim yourself to be.
Good point. Because it certainly isn't any religious definition of morals
My morals are live a good life and not hurt other in doing so
What else is there?
Your idea of good life and what is right and what is wrong is subjective. Your views on that have been most probably developed due to social pressure, due to what the society you live in has made you become like.
A rapist may also think he's living a good life and think he doesn't cause any hurt to young boys he abuses. But he's just as subjective as you are with your views of morality.
Only objective source of morality can be God as He is beyond the human subjectivity. Also, there would be no good and evil without God.
In the nearly infinite universe (until the end of time) the likelihood of other intelligent life (even far greater than our own) is MORE likely than not.
There sure will be a lot of tales between legs when scientists inevitably find this out. This by scientific facts only. Oh but then the "religious" people will re-interpret their holy writings again.
As for the time being no intelligent life on other planets has been discovered. But Islam doesn't say there surely isn't any life on other planets just like it doesn't claim that there is. So
in case there will be life found on other planets one day it would not contradict the teachings of Islam and there wouldn't be any need of re-interpreting the Qur'an as you claim there would be.
I hear that people not of white skin have souls now, and they don't burn witches any longer. But sadly women are still not equal in religion yet
People of all races have been considered as equal from the beginning of Islam. Neither has there been such "burning of witches" as there was in the Medieval Europe. And what concernes the women they are not inferior to men as
men and women are equal by the teachings of Islam.[/QUOTE]
Islam affirms the absolute spiritual equality of men and women, and assigns both an equal rank before God. In jurisprudential matters, Islam promotes the substantive equality of men and women, recognizes their unique strengths and capabilities, and rules accordingly protecting the rights of both.
Both males and females have similar rewards for obedience and penalties for disobedience in this world and the Hereafter. As stated in the Qur'an:
Whoever does righteous acts, whether male or female, while he is a believer, verily, to him We will give a good life, and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do. (16:97)
Islam entitles women to the same rights as men in terms of education and cultivation. The Prophet himself
saws
said:
Seeking knowledge is compulsory for each and every Muslim (i.e. both male and female). (Ibn Majah #224 al-Baihaqi and verified)
And note that all this was stated more than 1400 years ago, think about the status of women in non-Islamic societies of that time and even in modern societies where women are often seen as inferior to men in many matters. For example in the country I reside in women get the average of about 70% of the money which men get as their salary.
Oh and alcohol and drugs don't cause rape etc, its the people who can't control themselves. They probably should steer away from such drugs.
Where did I state that alcohol and drugs cause rape?
You say people can't control themselves thus they should steer away from such drugs. This is non-sensical as when they can't control themselves how do you think they'd be able to leave these drugs?
But the fact is that amongst people who follow religion there is a lot less drug and alcohol abuse and a lot less all the other problems that come with alchol and drugs. This is statistics which you seem to be unable to accept.
Countries living with religion as part of their law ARE in the dark ages. I'd say get out.
There are no real Islamic countries that completely follow religion in their law.
It's never ending with you!
No one created the small planet Earth or the entire solar system, or the lifeforms (to be found) in other solar systems.
That's my point!
Everything evolved from the beginning of time as we know it.
Stay tuned as real (non-religious) scientists try to solve this mystery, aren't we down to 4seconds after the the big bang or something.
Universe had a beginning thus it must have a cause. Also, the initial conditions for it to begin in the first place must have been fine tuned to a degree that's above our minds.
According to
Stephen Hawking (I hope he classifies as a "real scientist" in your definition) if the expansion rate of the Universe in the beginning would have differed by 10 to the power of -20 seconds, it would have recollapsed and there would have been no Universe.
Roger Penrose from Oxford University has calculated that the chance of
Big Bang conditions existing by chance were 1 in 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 123.
By the way 1 in 10 to the power of 50 means "zero probability" in mathematics (I hope you accept it as a field of science).
So how can one rational thinking person claim that the Universe happened by chance, that it just happened to come into existence?
But the real issue is, that we make these things up to protect ourselves from this fear of death
I've already stated that its scary to die. I'll do my best at the time and I wish with all my might that I scream out I hate all religions and everything they stand for. Before I die. Since that is what I truly feel, during my entire life whilst being alive!
In atheistic view on life there actually is no meaning for life whereas a religious view on life lacks the vain suffering of this life and the lack of meaning.
Before making such a claim of hating all religions and everything they stand for think a little next time. I really hope you did not mean it and think about what you said because if you did then such a claim makes you a horrible person. By hating everything that religions stand for you hate being kind to one another, not killing the innocent, not stealing and torturing, showing gratitude towards parents etc.
I'm stating that all religions are bad, even in their vast differences across millions (possibly billions) of different interpretations of what they believe, in their religious ways.
It makes you a blind person who cannot see all the good that religions, especially Islam, carry with them. I've already presented many positive things which you simply do not wish to or cannot accept and just refute them with claims of no proof. If your responses continue in a similar manner then the only thing you've proven is that you in fact are not beyond immaturity in contrast to your own claim.
So I again ask you to to please show some maturity and politeness in your responses towards people here or otherwise this thread should perhaps just be closed as it carries no meaning when you cannot behave maturely and the only point you have to make is about how happy you think you are for hating religions.
