I live in Israel

Assalamoalaikum,
i would agree with Amani, the tortures the jews have inflicted on the the palestinians almost mount up to those inflicted on the Prohpet Saw and his companions, almost...

they also retaliated, allah ash commanded to fight for our brotehrs ans sisters if hy are in need and if people try and supress you and do not let you pactice your religion freely...

Even then I think that its not acceptable in anyway to kill innocent people, I do not wish death for innocent kids and inncocent women ( as long as they don't participate in war..) but we should defnately strike back, unfprtunately we re sitting here and doing nothing..

If you can make a difference in how people look towards our religion or brotehrs and sisters in religion, then subhanAllah, why not.. you shouldn't be agressive towards people anyway if you do not have the strength and they will hurt you, or if you can reslve things by dialogue, but where dialogue fails.. force should be used too..

P.S welcome to the forums..






I think there is enough blame to go around in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I was outraged at the Israelis latest attack on Gaza, it was uncalled for and a good number of Christians were killed along with Muslims. I do not believe in violence as a Christian as Jesus taught peace. My grandfather was in the Army in WW2 and helped liberate several of the camps including Dachoud. The Jews clearly throughout history have been persecuted. I am not defending the actions of Israel as I think they are milking the Holocaust for all it is worth and I consider that defiling the memory of the 6 million who were killed. It seemed that before the state of Israel was established the People of the Book all peacefully coexisted together. We are all children of the same God we share a history. I get so scared when I hear talk of war and violence and death. I could not ever kill a human being except in self defense and I would still be eaten up with guilt. I know that sometimes war is needed to preserve the peace, but Israel does not represent all Jews of the world, just like terrorist and extremnist do not represent even a small minute fraction of the Muslim population.
 
I think there is enough blame to go around in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I was outraged at the Israelis latest attack on Gaza, it was uncalled for and a good number of Christians were killed along with Muslims. I do not believe in violence as a Christian as Jesus taught peace. My grandfather was in the Army in WW2 and helped liberate several of the camps including Dachoud. The Jews clearly throughout history have been persecuted. I am not defending the actions of Israel as I think they are milking the Holocaust for all it is worth and I consider that defiling the memory of the 6 million who were killed. It seemed that before the state of Israel was established the People of the Book all peacefully coexisted together. We are all children of the same God we share a history. I get so scared when I hear talk of war and violence and death. I could not ever kill a human being except in self defense and I would still be eaten up with guilt. I know that sometimes war is needed to preserve the peace, but Israel does not represent all Jews of the world, just like terrorist and extremnist do not represent even a small minute fraction of the Muslim population.
Great post, ragdollcat. I very much agree with you.

Peace :)
 
^^:D walk around with an interpreter?

We have muslim sisters who read/write in Hebrew . If this isn't imitating the kuffar, I don't know what is.
and the chopstick thing..

Unless its blatantly obvious its from another religion ....don't things like this just depend on the intention of the person ?
 
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^^:D walk around with an interpreter?

and the chopstick thing..

Unless its blatantly obvious its from another religion ....don't things like this just depend on the intention of the person ?
I think using chopsticks is as "anti-Sunnat" as driving a car on streets of Leeds (in preference to camel or horse riding) is.

me likes this video by an associate of Dr. Naik @ Al Sunnah - Meaning and Types

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Brother Convert,

I understand where your anger is coming from, but "for me, words are a form of action, capable of influencing change."

Learning another language is acquiring more knowledge, not imitating the people who are using the language.
Knowledge, as you know, is very important in Islam.
Muhammed pbuh said:
"Go in quest of knowledge even unto China."
"Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave. "
"One learned man is harder on the devil than a thousand ignorant worshippers."
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."
"The acquisition of knowledge is a duty incumbent one every Muslim, male and female. "
"Who are the learned? They who practise what they know."

and that's what i'm trying to do with what i know. trying to use it for a good 3ibadah Inshallah.


"All God's creatures are His family; and he is the most beloved of God who doeth most good to God's creatures. "

and what is better than showing Kafirs the beautiful ways of Islam?

do you understand this?
 
I speak Malay. Malay in ancient time is used to spread Mahayana Buddhism. Am I a Kafir too?

You all seem to not be able to understand an analogy. Muslims in muslim lands assimilating to non-muslim entities who have usurped their land is what I am talking about. You all just want to argue and not think.
 
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"islam is not about fighting with the Kafir.
islam is living in Harmony, with everyone. living in such a way that even the Kafirs would want to join you.
islam is beautiful. islam is being clean.

islam is compassion, whether to animals or human- men/women , black/white, poor/reach and muslim/kafir."
LaIlahaIlaAllah

Sister LaIlahaIlaAllah, :welcome:, Enjoy your stay and that quote is one that is true and should be followed. May Allah bless everyone :)

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*KB*
 
Brother Convert,

I understand where your anger is coming from, but "for me, words are a form of action, capable of influencing change."

Learning another language is acquiring more knowledge, not imitating the people who are using the language.
Knowledge, as you know, is very important in Islam.
Muhammed pbuh said:
"Go in quest of knowledge even unto China."
"Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave. "
"One learned man is harder on the devil than a thousand ignorant worshippers."
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."
"The acquisition of knowledge is a duty incumbent one every Muslim, male and female. "
"Who are the learned? They who practise what they know."

and that's what i'm trying to do with what i know. trying to use it for a good 3ibadah Inshallah.


"All God's creatures are His family; and he is the most beloved of God who doeth most good to God's creatures. "

and what is better than showing Kafirs the beautiful ways of Islam?

do you understand this?

A lot of those sayings, to my understanding, are weak or fabricated.

If you are spreading dawah, mashaAllah. I just cannot get over the fact you have muslims willingly in the IDF and doing all they can to make nice with that regime.
 
:sl: and Peace to all

Perspective: a Cham (muslims from Vietnam and Cambodia) scholar told me that his people refuse to eat with chopsticks because that, to them, is imitating the kuffar (i.e. A PEOPLE THAT USURPED MUSLIM LAND AND KILLED THEM IN DROVES BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS) and they take that very seriously.

What I do not understand is that why are people like this? "Imitating kuffars" That could be said to be playing football (kaffars play it) going to shops (kaffars do it).

If we are muslims in our hearts then that is what we are. Only Allah knows who are true and who are doing the right things to go to heaven. These are just beliefs, people's beliefs are all different.

We all are going to die one day. Allah only knows when.

May Allah bless everone and anyone :)

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*KB*
 
ok brother, Let me show you from the Quran then and not from the Hadiths.

“… Say: Are those who know equal to those who know not? It is only men of understanding who will remember.” Q39:9.

“They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord. And of knowledge it is only a little that is given to you (O mankind!).” Q17:85.
“…Now such were their houses in utter ruin because they practiced wrongdoing. Verily in this is a SIGN FOR PEOPLE OF KNOWLEDGE.” Q27:52.

“And such are the Parables We set for mankind but none will understand them except those who have Knowledge.” Q29:43.

“Those truly fear Allah among His Servants who HAVE KNOWLEDGE: for Allah is Exalted in Might Oft-Forgiving.” Q35:28.

“High above all is Allah the King, the Truth! Be not in haste with the Qur'an before its revelation to thee is completed but say "O my Lord! INCREASE ME IN KNOWLEDGE." Q20:114



Our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: “The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim…” (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 218)

The prophet (PBUH) used to supplicate: "O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee from four things: KNOWLEDGE WHICH DOES NOT PROFIT, a heart which is not submissive, a soul which has an insatiable appetite, and a supplication which is not heard." (Sunan of Abu-Dawood hadith 1543)

“O Allah, I ask Thee for BENEFICIAL KNOWLEDGE, acceptable action, and good provision." (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Hadith 2487).
 
I am not going to post anymore in this thread since there is a lot of fitnah and I am taking the thread off focus. I apologize to the sister if I insulted her in any way. The situation, the way it was explained to me by a Palestinian brother weighs heavily on my judgement.

Also sister: I am in no way suggesting that the occupiers do not deserve dawah. There are many brothers who came to Islam from judaism, quite a few in my masjid as well. I just have a problem with the way some people go about it. May Allah make you a means to guide these people to Islam. I mean, if the mongols and myself (a former staunch GOP fanboy) can be guided to Islam than anyone can.

I will leave you all with this though:

Narrated Abu Sa'id (May Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

"Surely, you will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, in everything as one arrow resembles another, (i.e. just like them), so much so that even if they entered a hole of a sand-lizard, you would enter it."

They said, "O Allah's Messenger! Do you mean to say that we will follow the Jews and the Christians?"

He replied, "Whom else?" (meaning, of course the Jews and the Christians)."


(Recorded authentically in Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
 
A lot of those sayings, to my understanding, are
I just cannot get over the fact you have muslims willingly in the IDF and doing all they can to make nice with that regime.

The most who serve the army are Ignorant. Lately we have teen forum over here just for islam , mashallah, and the knowledge is growing.

take me for example, i didn't know much about islam when i was younger.
my friends told me about this meeting for girls that was going to be in my village, and some girl taught us about us about islam. she made us all cry there with the stories about muhammed pbuh and the stories of the sahabas.

i don't know if you know it but in villages there's always rumors about people, everyone knows each other and everyone talks about each other. when she talked with us of how bad it is to talk about another,
"Behold, you received it on your tongues, and said out of your mouths things which you had no knowledge; and you thought it to be a light matter, while it was most serious in the sight of God (24: 15) "


and one of my friends started talking about someone the rest would stop her from saying it. i have such great friends alhamdulilah:)

after going to these meeting every week my knowledge about islam became much bigger and so was my love for islam. i began reading about islam in books and the internet, and i would actually tell others, including my jewish friends what i learned.

but not everyone was fortune as i am. most are ignorant. but after making that forum, most of the guys here fought to leave the army. some went to jail but they left. I can not be angry on them, all i feel for them is pity, for they don't know the consequences of their actions.

today i'm in a situation where i know more than my parents do. my father even told me the other day- you and your sisters are better than us.
i even preach to them sometimes about things. :P

i pray that it will change for the better in the future and that people here will be more acknowledge about islam, inshallah.

I am not going to post anymore in this thread since there is a lot of fitnah and I am taking the thread off focus. I apologize to the sister if I insulted her in any way. The situation, the way it was explained to me by a Palestinian brother weighs heavily on my judgement.

i am not insulted, don't worry about it. you are very angry on Israel and so am I. but tolerance is the name of the "game". they could be angry on me the same way you are on them. muslims did kill them too. there was an attack on Haifa, and that's where i study. think about that.
but how can they change their view on muslims if hate is all they see from us?
and i will leave you with this:

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by God! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are declared to be protected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

“Muslim and Non-Muslims, Face-to-Face”, Ahmad Sakr. Foundation for Islamic Knowledge, Lombard IL.
 
We all should be ashamed of our selves, turning a person's introduction into a war over the issue of speaking Hebrew.
Amen to that, Woodrow.

I hope and pray that LaIlahaIlaAllah feels welcome in this forum ...
 
hmm..

Ingratiate: Bring oneself into favour with someone by flattering or trying to please them
 
:sl:That indeed is a strange and somewhat saddening observation. I request that you take another look.

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No matter how I look at it. We managed to turn an introduction into a debate.

But, this question about learning languages could be a very good topic for World Affairs or General. Perhaps somebody will take the initiative to start one.
 
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No matter how I look at it. We managed to turn an introduction into a debate.

But, this question about learning languages could be a very good topic for World Affairs or General. Perhaps somebody will take the initiative to start one.
walaikum Salam, I think I somewhat understand that now but still like to say that we should combat hate mongers no matter what thread/forum/venue they pop-up at. However I do apologise for not being able to understand your methods

Wasalam
 
walaikum Salam, I think I somewhat understand that now but still like to say that we should combat hate mongers no matter what thread/forum/venue they pop-up at. However I do apologise for not being able to understand your methods

Wasalam

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No apology needed I do tend to confuse everybody.

I do seem to have the ability to turn the easy into something complex and not understandable.
 

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