If creating sects, in islam is haraam, then why is there shia's and sunni's?

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I am studying the quran and have come across this issue.

In the quran ... surah 3 verse 103 says


And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided.



ALSO..

verse 105

And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.


The Quran clearly says Allah has declared that sectarianism is Haram.

AGAIN mentioned in verse 159 of surah #6:

As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast NO PART IN THEM IN THE LEAST, their affair is with Allah, He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Sects= divinity within islam right?

divinity= sects (sections within islam, i.e. sufi sunni shia) right?

Islam is one religion, there should be no sects or divinity between us brothers.

We should all just be called MUSLIMS. not shia muslims or sunni muslims. The whole point of islam is its oneness.

Thats my opinion.

Any responses or view?

Please discuss.

Jazkallah.
 
You are in principal correct. There is no error in your judgement. The error is in the sectarians themselves.

The prophet Mohammed -pbuh- said: "The Jews divided amongst them into 71 branches, and the christians divided into 72 branches, and my nation will divide into 73, all of those divisions are (destined) in the Hellfire except for one. They are those who are upon which I am today and my companions." Mosnad Ahmed and narrated by Tabarani and others.

The problem is in people coming up with something different to what the prophet -pbuh- has told us that God has ordained. While all the scholars of Ahlu-Sunnah Wal JamaAAa scholars discuss amongst themselves matters of fiqh (jurisprudence) and shariah that did not have remaining authenticated text to provide a solid opinion about some matters, and use principals of jurisprudence and methodologies to arrive at what they believe would be the appropriate opinion in such marginal matters, they have never disagreed or changed anything that was transfered in knowledge and athenticated from the prophet -pbuh-.

This is what muslims were specifically ordered to do, in one text a Hadith says: "Take my Sunnah (tradition and habits) and the habits of the guided successors after me, hold on to it and bite on it with your molars, and dare not approach innovation, for every innovation is an invention and every invention is misguidance" Mosnad Ahmed, Sahih Al-JameAA, Abu Dawood, Ibn Majeh
"عليكم بسنتي وسنة الخلفاء الراشدين المهديين من بعدي تمسكوا بها وعضوا عليها بالنواجذ، وإياكم و محدثات الأمور، فإن كل محدثة بدعة وكل بدعة ضلالة"

The problem simply arises from those who come up with innovations or philosophical conclusions that go against authenticated textual statements of the prophet or attempt to manipulate faith (aqidah). When it is rejected by the muslim community lead by its scholars, some who feel strongly about their opinion form their sect and separate, such as Shia, khawarej, etc. They take a title for themselves or are given a title to distinguish them.

God maintain our guidance on the path of the prophet and his companions.
 
And another verse (in the opening of The Call of Tanzeem-e-Islami):

42:13. The same Deen has He enjoined for you as that which He enjoined on Noah, the one We have sent by inspiration to you (O Muhammad!), and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: namely that you establish this Deen and make no divisions therein [...]

Alhumdulillah, this was a great article: http://www.islamnewsroom.com/highli...-27/99-comments-on-qwhich-groupq-article.html
 
I understand, but the bottom line is sects within islam is forbidden. I personally call my self a muslim, not shia or sunni.

Please read this statement from a very good article taken out from this site http://janajourneys.blogspot.com/2008/05/sects-are-haram-in-islam.html

Those of us who declare loyalty to a specific sect had better beware; sect of Islam is a contradiction of terms. You can have one or the other, not both! In accord with this, verse 32 of surah #30 of the Quran reads:

And be not like those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their religion and become (mere) sects, each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
The words, "that which is with itself" refer to those differences which people use to justify their separation from Islam. Notice that polytheism, the greatest sin, is prohibited along side with division of religion. This pairing, like everything else in the Quran, is deliberate. It is meant to demonstrate the magnitude of this crime.
All of us must refuse to attribute ourselves to any of the man made divisions of Islam. If anyone asks you if you are Sunni, or Sheea, tell them that you are a Muslim, who believes in the seven beliefs, and practices the five pillars. Tell them that you strive to live according to the way Allah has instructed in the Quran.
Take a moment to reflect upon these questions: To what sect did Mohammed (SAWS) belong to? Whose example was the best example of how a Muslim should live his/her life? If the prophet (SAWS) were alive today, what would his opinion be on this subject? Should we, being followers of Islam, not try to keep our opinion consistent with the prophets (SAWS)? How can a non-Muslim be attracted to Islam knowing that there are so many versions of it, and if a non-Muslim decides to embrace Islam, wouldn't his/her joining of a sect ruin such a beautiful decision? During the time of our beloved prophet (SAWS), Muslims called themselves just that, Muslims. Nobody was a Sheea, or a Bohra, or an Ahmedi, or a Sunni, or an Ismaeli, or a Qadiani or a Duruz, or a Bahai, or an Ansarullah, or anything. All Muslims were equal. Everyone proudly proclaimed the Shahada:
Ash-hadu Allaa ilaaha ill-Allahu WaHdahu laa shareeka lah, wa Ash-hadu Anna MuHammadan abduhu wa rasooluh!
I now call upon all of you to immediately renounce any special religious loyalty which you may posses. For the love of Allah, the one who created you and blessed you with his deen, forget that you belong to any group and be proud that you are Muslim. And renouncing the sect is not enough if we continue to practice Islam with our differences. We must investigate what caused the formation of the sect and what characteristics of the sect are incompatible with Islam. We must seek knowledge of our religion in order to practice it as perfectly as we are capable. It is obvious that anyone who belongs to a sect and claims to be Muslim believes that their sect represents true Islam. I have two things to say to that. First of all, merely labeling oneself as one kind of Muslim or another is Haram as it is division in the most direct sense. Secondly, look up the date the Islam was revealed and then look up the date that your sect of the religion was born. After finding that they are not equal, dont even dare to claim that your sect is true Islam. That would be an insult to the Rasoolullah (SAWS).
As a final reminder, I will introduce another quote from the Holy Quran that again points to the fact that unity among Muslims is an indispensable, fundamental part of Islam:
The approximate meaning is:"Verily, you are one Ummah. I am your Lord, worship me"

I urge all the brothers and sisters to realise sects within islam is not allowed, and labelling yourself anything other than a muslim is forbidden. The whole point of islam its oneness (thats what seperates it from other religions).

Do you think Allah sabhana ta'allah, would like us brothers and sisters getting into conflict within our own religion? creating a divinity!?

Enough said.
 
^ I don't think anyone here argued that it's not haram to break from the central group that follows the direct dictation of Islam and the prophet. However you seem to be more focused on the titles rather than care about the foundational beliefs and practices that distinguishes these sects and made them separate from the line of the prophet's Sunnah. Or maybe I am misunderstanding you. In case I am not, you'll need to heed or consider the following:

1- The name Ahlu-Sunnah Wal JamaAAa was not innovated, it was used by the prophet -pbuh- to describe the companions and when he said there will be division in the future. That name was shortened later to Sunnah and those who follow it are Sunni. He also called the Khawarej by that name and ordained that they be treated as Qotta3 Toroq (Caravan Brigands) and corruptors of the land, to be fought and killed. When he travelled to Madina there were Muhajereen and Ansar. Greatest scholars of Sunnah have identified themselves as Hanafi, Hanbali, and Shafei.

In short I am trying to say that saying "labelling yourself anything other than a muslim is forbidden" is a bit extreme. In concept it is like saying a person can only be called a human being. A person is not only a human being, he's a male or female, free or slave, Arab or persian or african etc. Additionally, saying "calling oneself as anything other than plain muslim is forbidden/haram" requires you to bring the fiqh principal on which that claim is based, as haram and halal is set in shariah, not by human concept. I also advise you to leave such matters to when you discuss it with scholars for they will correct and explain these things to you.

2- The sects that broke off from the Ahlu-Sunnah Wal JamaAAa have far bigger breaches of faith and worship, that they shouldn't be concerned with the label. Many of them denounce the title they were branded with, many have chosen it themselves. They are in that sect either because they isolated themselves, or because they were pushed into it. It's the faith and worship that they need to re-examine and repenting to God for their desertion of the prophet's teachings that they need to do.

If one suggests that we cancel the names of sects, (especially the ones branded by the prophet himself when they broke off the straight path of God) just to celebrate the unity of muslims, then that is a silly idea and will lead to complete corruption. If what you're saying is that sects should shed away their names AND go back to the path of righteousness in faith and practice, then good luck and our duaas and supplications are all for that.

Other than that, yes sects are forbidden by the very definition and with exact text. Yet what can you do about those who wish to break away despite the clarity of God's ordinance?
 
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"Verily, you are one Ummah. I am your Lord, worship me"

Yeah, 23:23-52 is like an expansion of 42:13. Alhumdulillah I found a good recitation of the Surah: http://www.archive.org/download/Quran_Abdul_Rahman_Al-Sudais/023_64kb.mp3 http://www.emuslim.com/wordforword/juz18/018-477-483.pdf http://www.emuslim.com/wordforword/juz18/018-484-490.pdf

If some sectarian insists on asking for your allegiance (trying to make sure if it is not haram for him to give you salam!) even after you've told him repeatedly "Muslim", we could say "Amorphous Muslim". "What's that?" We consider dissolving sects to be critical to Ibadah for the ummah as per 30:30-32.
 
very simplistically: the Shi'ites-like the Jews- state that ruling is a divine right granted to a particular people: the household of the prophet, Sunni's state that it is the Ummah that decides who rules.

on the other hand, both have much reform to do, but one Is more correct than the other.
 
If some sectarian insists on asking for your allegiance (trying to make sure if it is not haram for him to give you salam!) even after you've told him repeatedly "Muslim", we could say "Amorphous Muslim". "What's that?" We consider dissolving sects to be critical to Ibadah for the ummah as per 30:30-32.

Salam in Islam is given to anyone including christians and jews (after modifying it to "Assalamu Ala man ettabaAAa al-Huda" as in "peace be upon those who folllowed the guidance". This is what the prophet taught us.)

If some sectarian asks for allegience, you say it's God, the one and only, and that you are a muslim who follow the straight path shown by the prophet and his blessed companions, and you leave that strange person alone.

Wassalam Alaikom
 
^straight path shown by the prophet alone brother :).
 
Well sects arise out of differences, and the messenger of Allah peace be upon him told us that Islam will split into 73 sects and only one will go to jannah, the correct one he said is the sect that follow's his sunnah and is upon what him and his companions are upon.

So as long as you make sure that everything you do was done by the messenger of Allah peace be upon him and his companions you'll be ok :)

some of the differences that the sects have are, shia's curse the prophets companions among many other viole things and sunni's don't do this, instead they follow the example of the companions aswell as the prophet peace be upon him.

And another difference is with the sufi's, they have alot of innovated stuff like congregational dhkir, this wasn't done by the prophet (peace be upon him) or his companions. They never sat in a room with the lights off in the dark going, "Allah hu" as far as I'm aware.

Also Sufi's tend to refer to themselves as "Sunni's" and call every 1 else who doesn't believe in sufism a "Wahaaabi" which isn't right because what they refer to as wahaaabi's are people who are the real sunni's because they're trying to follow the sunnah as much as possible.

I classify myself as a sunni because I believe you should follow the prophet's sunnah as much as possible and reject everything that wasn't done by him or his companions. But this doesn't seem to register with other sects.
 
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to note, the 73 sects hadeeth has been called weak by some scholars.
 
Yeah, I don't actually recall anyone in university (in Chicago) asking me (even once) for my sect. I just heard Yusuf Estes, giving an example. Muslims deciding never to visit mosques because of even minor sectarian differences is hard for me to think about (again I don't know of any specific instances).

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^ I don't think anyone here argued that it's not haram to break from the central group that follows the direct dictation of Islam and the prophet. However you seem to be more focused on the titles rather than care about the foundational beliefs and practices that distinguishes these sects and made them separate from the line of the prophet's Sunnah. Or maybe I am misunderstanding you. In case I am not, you'll need to heed or consider the following:

1- The name Ahlu-Sunnah Wal JamaAAa was not innovated, it was used by the prophet -pbuh- to describe the companions and when he said there will be division in the future. That name was shortened later to Sunnah and those who follow it are Sunni. He also called the Khawarej by that name and ordained that they be treated as Qotta3 Toroq (Caravan Brigands) and corruptors of the land, to be fought and killed. When he travelled to Madina there were Muhajereen and Ansar. Greatest scholars of Sunnah have identified themselves as Hanafi, Hanbali, and Shafei.

In short I am trying to say that saying "labelling yourself anything other than a muslim is forbidden" is a bit extreme. In concept it is like saying a person can only be called a human being. A person is not only a human being, he's a male or female, free or slave, Arab or persian or african etc. Additionally, saying "calling oneself as anything other than plain muslim is forbidden/haram" requires you to bring the fiqh principal on which that claim is based, as haram and halal is set in shariah, not by human concept. I also advise you to leave such matters to when you discuss it with scholars for they will correct and explain these things to you.

2- The sects that broke off from the Ahlu-Sunnah Wal JamaAAa have far bigger breaches of faith and worship, that they shouldn't be concerned with the label. Many of them denounce the title they were branded with, many have chosen it themselves. They are in that sect either because they isolated themselves, or because they were pushed into it. It's the faith and worship that they need to re-examine and repenting to God for their desertion of the prophet's teachings that they need to do.

If one suggests that we cancel the names of sects, (especially the ones branded by the prophet himself when they broke off the straight path of God) just to celebrate the unity of muslims, then that is a silly idea and will lead to complete corruption. If what you're saying is that sects should shed away their names AND go back to the path of righteousness in faith and practice, then good luck and our duaas and supplications are all for that.

Other than that, yes sects are forbidden by the very definition and with exact text. Yet what can you do about those who wish to break away despite the clarity of God's ordinance?


Well said akhi. So your saying if we just call ourselfs muslims, it wouldnt sound too rational as a muslim could follow a certain sect? i.e. one out of the 73 (e.g. sufi?).. so your saying by just following ONE sect, which muhammad phuh did... its okay?

Well what sect is that? it sounds to me the sunni's are ..but then again thats just opinion isnt it?

Thanks
 
I understand your reply, however as you said my point stands in theory as sects within islam are forbidden.. so... could you answer this?... reflect upon these questions: To what sect did Mohammed (SAWS) belong to? Whose example was the best example of how a Muslim should live his/her life? If the prophet (SAWS) were alive today, what would his opinion be on this subject? Should we, being followers of Islam, not try to keep our opinion consistent with the prophets (SAWS)? How can a non-Muslim be attracted to Islam knowing that there are so many versions of it, and if a non-Muslim decides to embrace Islam, wouldn't his/her joining of a sect ruin such a beautiful decision? During the time of our beloved prophet (SAWS), Muslims called themselves just that, Muslims. Nobody was a Sheea, or a Bohra, or an Ahmedi, or a Sunni, or an Ismaeli, or a Qadiani or a Duruz, or a Bahai, or an Ansarullah, or anything
 
^straight path shown by the prophet alone brother :).

Actually brother, we were ordered by the prophet to take the habits and traditions from the Khalifat and companions, as in the hadith previously mentioned: "Take my Sunnah (tradition and habits) and the habits of the guided successors after me,....". It is also permissible in fiqh that the close companions of the prophet are acceptable sources of jurisprudence in their actions if authenticated textual orders are not found for the prophet. The basis is that the behaviour and actions of the Companions -ra- of the Prophet -pbuh- were witnessed by the Prophet himself and approved by him. In addition, the prophet -pbuh- said about his companions: "The best of people are my generation, then the generation that follows them, then the one that follows them." (Kitab Assunnah)

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And in the Quran God honours them and specifically says that following them in their example will earn the ultimate reward: "And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhaajirun and the Ansaar and also those who followed them exactly (in faith)! Allaah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise) to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success". (at-Tawbah, 100)

All these form the basis of Ahlu Sunnah Wal JamaAAa creed, to the taking of the example of the companions of their piousness and behaviour and their tradition to model our own behaviour after them. The scholars agree on the statement that the companions -RA- were instruments to show us the straight path and God chose them to bring our prophet amongst them so that they support him and work at spreading the message of Islam.

to note, the 73 sects hadeeth has been called weak by some scholars.

No, brother, I think you are mising it with the one that says "I left amongst you two things once you hold on to them you will never go astray: the book of God and my sunnah". That is the one that is not fully authenticated and some find as daeef. The 73 sects hadeeth is saheeh and authentic from a multitude of sources:

وهذا الحديث رواه الترمذي في سننه، ورواه ابن ماجه، ورواه الإمام أحمد في المسند، والحاكم في المستدرك، وهو حديث مشهور وله طرق متعددة.

هذا الحديث رواه الإمام أحمد، وابن أبي الدنيا، وأبو داود، والترمذي، وابن حبان، والحاكم، وصححوه، ورواه غيرهم أيضًا[1]. رووه عن عوف بن مالك، ومعاوية، وأبي الدرداء، وابن عباس، وابن عمر، وسعد بن أبي وقاص، وعبد الله بن عمرو بن العاص، وواثلة، وأبي أمامة، وغيرهم بألفاظ متقاربة.

Authenticators include Termethi, Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal in his Mosnad, Al-Hakem, Ibn Haban, Ibn Majeh, along with others. All have said it is Sahih and authentic in its narration. There are no untrustworthy people in the link of its narrations, which came from a multitude of witnesses like Ibn Abbas, Abi Addardaa, Ibn Omar, Saad Ibn Abi Waqqas and others.

Barak Allahu Feek though, it is good that you seek to determine accuracy from what is written on these pages, and I thank you for your diligence.
 
I understand your reply, however as you said my point stands in theory as sects within islam are forbidden.. so... could you answer this?... reflect upon these questions: To what sect did Mohammed (SAWS) belong to? Whose example was the best example of how a Muslim should live his/her life? If the prophet (SAWS) were alive today, what would his opinion be on this subject? Should we, being followers of Islam, not try to keep our opinion consistent with the prophets (SAWS)? How can a non-Muslim be attracted to Islam knowing that there are so many versions of it, and if a non-Muslim decides to embrace Islam, wouldn't his/her joining of a sect ruin such a beautiful decision? During the time of our beloved prophet (SAWS), Muslims called themselves just that, Muslims. Nobody was a Sheea, or a Bohra, or an Ahmedi, or a Sunni, or an Ismaeli, or a Qadiani or a Duruz, or a Bahai, or an Ansarullah, or anything

That's a bit too many questions to try and receive answers on in a forum. But the as I explained in the beginning that Islam was ordained by God and asked the prophet Mohammed to deliver the message, which he did al-hamdolellah, and asked us to follow what he does. When someone refuses to follow then they break off into their own sect. Sunnah is not a sect, they are the mainstream (literal translation for JamaAAa). Sunnah basically means to not follow any sect. Sect is an innovation, and we worship God based on Sunnah. Yes, during the time of Mohammed they called themselves Ahlu Sunnah Wal JamaAAa. Other sects developed afterwards. If he was here today, he would probably say "there you see seventy something sects like you were told. Stay away from all sects and hold on to my Sunnah and the mainstream group, Ahlu Sunnah Wal JamaAAa". This is not an "opinion", it's a stated authenticated hadith. It is also backed with simple straightforward evidence of actual documented sayings of the prophet and the actions of the companions.

Look you need to understand the importance of this part now: If someone asks you who you are, you say muslim. That's it, and that is fine. But If he happens to invite you to a lecture by a scholar, then you NEED to ask if the scholar is a proper muslim on the path of the prophet and from Ahlu Sunnah Wal JamaAAa. You need this to guard your religion from people who corrupted theirs with sectarian faiths that lead them astray, otherwise you will be sitting and learning deviant matters that the prophet never said and God never sent.

Peace brother
 
I understand, but the bottom line is sects within islam is forbidden. I personally call my self a muslim, not shia or sunni.

Please read this statement from a very good article taken out from this site http://janajourneys.blogspot.com/2008/05/sects-are-haram-in-islam.html

Those of us who declare loyalty to a specific sect had better beware; sect of Islam is a contradiction of terms. You can have one or the other, not both! In accord with this, verse 32 of surah #30 of the Quran reads:

And be not like those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their religion and become (mere) sects, each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
The words, "that which is with itself" refer to those differences which people use to justify their separation from Islam. Notice that polytheism, the greatest sin, is prohibited along side with division of religion. This pairing, like everything else in the Quran, is deliberate. It is meant to demonstrate the magnitude of this crime.
All of us must refuse to attribute ourselves to any of the man made divisions of Islam. If anyone asks you if you are Sunni, or Sheea, tell them that you are a Muslim, who believes in the seven beliefs, and practices the five pillars. Tell them that you strive to live according to the way Allah has instructed in the Quran.
Take a moment to reflect upon these questions: To what sect did Mohammed (SAWS) belong to? Whose example was the best example of how a Muslim should live his/her life? If the prophet (SAWS) were alive today, what would his opinion be on this subject? Should we, being followers of Islam, not try to keep our opinion consistent with the prophets (SAWS)? How can a non-Muslim be attracted to Islam knowing that there are so many versions of it, and if a non-Muslim decides to embrace Islam, wouldn't his/her joining of a sect ruin such a beautiful decision? During the time of our beloved prophet (SAWS), Muslims called themselves just that, Muslims. Nobody was a Sheea, or a Bohra, or an Ahmedi, or a Sunni, or an Ismaeli, or a Qadiani or a Duruz, or a Bahai, or an Ansarullah, or anything. All Muslims were equal. Everyone proudly proclaimed the Shahada:
Ash-hadu Allaa ilaaha ill-Allahu WaHdahu laa shareeka lah, wa Ash-hadu Anna MuHammadan abduhu wa rasooluh!
I now call upon all of you to immediately renounce any special religious loyalty which you may posses. For the love of Allah, the one who created you and blessed you with his deen, forget that you belong to any group and be proud that you are Muslim. And renouncing the sect is not enough if we continue to practice Islam with our differences. We must investigate what caused the formation of the sect and what characteristics of the sect are incompatible with Islam. We must seek knowledge of our religion in order to practice it as perfectly as we are capable. It is obvious that anyone who belongs to a sect and claims to be Muslim believes that their sect represents true Islam. I have two things to say to that. First of all, merely labeling oneself as one kind of Muslim or another is Haram as it is division in the most direct sense. Secondly, look up the date the Islam was revealed and then look up the date that your sect of the religion was born. After finding that they are not equal, dont even dare to claim that your sect is true Islam. That would be an insult to the Rasoolullah (SAWS).
As a final reminder, I will introduce another quote from the Holy Quran that again points to the fact that unity among Muslims is an indispensable, fundamental part of Islam:
The approximate meaning is:"Verily, you are one Ummah. I am your Lord, worship me"

I urge all the brothers and sisters to realise sects within islam is not allowed, and labelling yourself anything other than a muslim is forbidden. The whole point of islam its oneness (thats what seperates it from other religions).

Do you think Allah sabhana ta'allah, would like us brothers and sisters getting into conflict within our own religion? creating a divinity!?

Enough said.

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Ahl Al-Sunnah wal Jama‘ah are the Muslims who follow the very same way which Prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah (peace be upon him) and his Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all) followed.
lets not forget the hadith about the 73 sects all to hell but one so Now to say it is wrong to say i am from Ahul Asunnah wa Jammah (THOSE who are upon the salaf) is wrong. Now if a person doesnt like to say such but does stick to the ways of the salaf then all is well but we shouldnt go around saying u call urself this is this isnt Allowed in islam
There is sects all clam to be muslims and on the right path so we need to distinguish ourself from the innovation
there us a hadith
I asked of my Lord, the Glorified and Exalted, three things; He granted me two, but refused me one. I asked my Lord not to destroy us by that with which He destroyed the nations before us and He granted me this; I asked my Lord, the Glorified and Exalted, not to make an enemy from outside us triumph over us, and He granted me this; and I asked my Lord not to cover us with confusion (make us break) into warring sects, but He refused me this.
so looking at this hadith we see that the third thing he asked was for not to cover us with confusion (make us break) into warring sects, but He refused me this. So again there is sects and will be sects so long as we stick to Ahul Asunnah wa jammah and strive hard to be upon it inshallah we will we are fine

He asked his Lord not to cover his Ummah with confusion in party strife; “Al-labs” is confusion and opinion divergence, “Shi‘a” is the plural of “Shi‘ah” which is a sect, party, group. The prophet (peace be upon him) informed that his Lord granted him the first two requests and did not grant him the third one for a wisdom that He (may He be Blessed and Exalted) only knows.
take from here

The third question of Fatwa no. (4246):

Q3: What is meant by the Hadith of the Prophet (peace be upon him) concerning the Ummah (nation) in which he said: ... all of them will be in Hellfire except one (sect). Which one? Will the other seventy-two sects abide in Hellfire forever as is the ruling on the Mushrik (one who associates others with Allah in His Divinity or worship)?

( Part No : 2, Page No: 231)

When we say “the Ummah of the Prophet (peace be upon him),” does that refer to those who follow him and those who do not follow him?

A: The Ummah meant in this Hadith is Ummah Al-Ijabah (the Ummah which has accepted the Prophet’s Call to Islam) and it will divide into seventy-three sects: seventy-two of them are deviant sects that introduced Bid‘ahs (innovations into the religion) that do not put them beyond the pale of Islam. They will be punished in Hellfire for their deviation and invented practices except those whom Allah pardons and forgives. Their end will be in Paradise. The one saved sect will be Ahl-ul-Sunnah wal-Jama‘ah (those adhering to the Sunnah and the Muslim main body) who abided by the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and remained adhering to the very same way of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) in all affairs. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said about them: A group among my Ummah will continue to follow the truth and to be victorious, and they will not be harmed by those who forsake them or oppose them, until the Command of Allah comes to pass. As to those whom their Bid‘ahs put them beyond the pale of Islam, they fall under Ummah Al-Da‘wah (the Ummah which is called to Islam) and not among the Ummah which accepted Islam; they will be punished by dwelling in Hellfire forever, which is the preponderant scholarly opinion. Another opinion holds that that the meant Ummah in this Hadith is Ummah Al-Da‘wah, which includes each and everyone to whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) was sent: those who believed as well as those who disbelieved him. Consequently, the one excluded is Ummah Al-Ijabah, which exclusively refers to those who truly believed in the Prophet (peace be upon him) and remained so until they died, and it is the meant “saved sect” from Hellfire, either to be rescued from it without being punished at all or after being punished and then they will be admitted to Paradise.

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As for the other seventy-two sects, excluding the one saved sect, they are all disbelievers who will abide in Hellfire forever.

Thus, it becomes clear that “Ummah Al-Da‘wah” is a more general and inclusive term than “Ummah Al-Ijabah” who accepted Da‘wah (the Call to Islam) and believed in Allah and in His Messenger. Anyone who accepted Islam and became one of Ummah Al-Ijabah is also one of Ummah Al-Da‘wah, but not everyone in Ummah Al-Da‘wah (i.e., not everyone who is called to Islam) is also one of Ummah Al-Ijabah (i.e., accepted Islam and became one of the Muslim Ummah).

May Allah grant us success! May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and Companions!

Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta’

The splitting of this Ummah into seventy-three sects

Fatwa no. (830):

Q: I read a Hadith mentioned by the Shaykh of Islam, Muhammad Ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab, in his book entitled “Mukhtasar Sirat Al-Rasul” (The Abridged Biography of the Prophet), which states: This Ummah (nation) will split into seventy-three sects, all of them will be in Hellfire except one. I would like a clarification of this issue about which Imam Muhammad Ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab said in his previously mentioned book: “This is one of the most crucial issues. Whoever understands it has well comprehended the religion, and whoever applies it is a true Muslim. May Allah, the Most Generous, grant us its understanding and the ability to apply it.”

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I would also like to know the answer to the following questions, which revolve around the previously mentioned Hadith: 1- Who is the saved sect referred to in the Hadith? 2- Do sects like: Shi‘ah (Shi‘ites), Al-Shafi‘iyah (Shafi‘is), Al-Hanifiyah (Hanafis), Al-Tijaniyyah (Tijanis) and others fall under the seventy-two sects referred to by the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as dwellers of Hellfire? If all these sects are going to be in Hellfire except one, why are they permitted to visit the Sacred House of Allah (i.e. the Ka‘bah)? Was the great Imam wrong, or have you deviated from the right path?

A: First, what Imam Shaykh Muhammad Ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned in “Mukhtasar Al-Sirah” is part of a Sahih (authentic) and well-known Hadith,narrated by the Compilers of Sunan (Hadith compilations classified by jurisprudential themes) and Musnads (Hadith compilations according to complete chains of narration), such as Abu Dawud, Al-Nasa’y, Al-Tirmidhy and otherswith different wordings, including: “The Jews split into seventy-one sects, all of which are in Hellfire except one; the Christians split into seventy-two sects, all of which are in Hellfire except one; and this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of which are in Hellfire except one.”

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According to another narration, “...will split into seventy-three denominations.” In another narration, They said, “O Messenger of Allah! Who is the saved sect?” He (peace be upon him) said, “Those who follow the very same that I and my Companions follow today.” In another narration, he (peace be upon him) said, “It is Al-Jama‘ah (the group that remains adhering to that which the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions followed); the Hand of Allah is over (the hands of) Al-Jama‘ah.”

Second, The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) informed his Sahabah (Companions) of the characteristics of Al-Firqah Al-Najiyah (the Saved Sect) in various narrations of the previously mentioned Hadith; as an answer to their question, “Who is the saved sect?” He said, “Those who follow the very same that I and my Companions follow today.” According to another narration he said, “It is Al-Jama‘ah; the Hand of Allah is over (the hands of) Al-Jama‘ah.” He (peace be upon him) described the saved sect as those who adhere steadfastly in their beliefs, words, deeds and manners to the way of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Companions (may Allah be pleased with him). They act upon the teachings of the Qur’an and the Sunnah regarding what they should and should not do. They abide by the way of the Muslim Jama‘ah (main body or group), who are the Sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them) who followed only the Prophet (peace be upon him) who never spoke of his own desire; it was only Revelations revealed to him.

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Thus, all those who follow the Qur’an, the instructions of the Sunnah, verbal or practical, and the Ijma’ (consensus) of the Ummah, and are not deceived by fallacious opinions, misleading desires, or false interpretations which are violative of the fundamentals of Shari‘ah (Islamic Law) and are rejected by the Arabic language - the mother tongue of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in which the Qur’an was revealed - all those who do so are part of the saved sect, of Ahl-ul-Sunnah wal-Jama‘ah (those adhering to the Sunnah and the Muslim main body).
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Do sects like: Shi‘ah (Shi‘ites), Al-Shafi‘iyah (Shafi‘is), Al-Hanifiyah (Hanafis), Al-Tijaniyyah (Tijanis) and others fall under the seventy-two sects referred to by the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as dwellers of Hellfire? If all these sects are going to be in Hellfire except one, why are they permitted to visit the Sacred House of Allah (i.e. the Ka‘bah)? ?

yes or no?
 
stealing as haram yet we have thieves
zina is haram yet we have adulterers
backbiting is haram yet we have mischief makers



the shaytan inspires these sins into peoples hearts

the same goes for sects - its just a huge outcome from shaytans whispers


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