If Jesus was GOD

[Keltoi]

Oh for sure. I believe that they are both wrong.

I don't view Judaism or Islam as "wrong", as long as the ultimate goal is peace, understanding, and the worship of the One God. Yes, we differ in many things, but to me the most important aspect of all of this is our belief in God.

 

[therebbe]

I don't view Judaism or Islam as "wrong", as long as the ultimate goal is peace, understanding, and the worship of the One God. Yes, we differ in many things, but to me the most important aspect of all of this is our belief in God.

I believe Monotheism is correct, but the teachings and beliefs of some religions are wrong. To clarify.

 

[islamicfajr]

actually, i am getting tired of all the "my religion is better than yours" and the "what's wrong with your religion" threads.
seems a silly waste of time to me. i've seen this type of thing from christians as well as muslims, tho naturally, being an islamic forum, it is more common from muslims.
can't you just acknowledge that you follow different paths and even if you can't understand each other, learn to respect that these beliefs are important to people. you are not going to convince each other anyway - and why should you?

mmmmm...


53] Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [53] Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [54] "Turn ye to your Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. [55] "And follow the Best of (the courses) revealed to you from your Lord, before the Penalty comes on you - of a sudden while ye perceive not! - [56] "Lest the soul should (then) say: `Ah! woe is me! in that I neglected (my Duty) towards Allah, and was but among those who mocked!' [57] "Or (lest) it should say: 'If only Allah had guided me, I should certainly have been among the righteous!' [58] "Or (lest) it should say when it (actually) sees the Penalty: 'If only I had another chance, I should certainly be among those who do good!' [59] "(The reply will be ' Nay, but there came to thee My Signs, and thou didst reject them: thou wast haughty, and became one of those who reject Faith!'" [60] On the Day of Judgment wilt thou see those who told lies against Allah; their faces will be turned black; is there not in Hell an abode for the Haughty? 61] But Allah will deliver the righteous to their place of salvation: no evil shall touch them, nor shall they grieve. [62] Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs. [63] To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: and those who reject the Signs of Allah, it is they who will be in loss. [64] Say: "Is it someone other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?" [65] But it has already been revealed to thee, - as it was to those before thee - "If thou wert to join (gods with Allah), truly fruitless will be thy work (in life), and thou wilt surely be in the ranks of those who lose (all spiritual good)." [66] Nay, but worship Allah, and be of those who give thanks. [67]No just estimate have they made of Allah, such as is due to Him: on the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth will be but His handful, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him! (39:53-67)




Allah sent messengers

And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission;.
(4:64)

And...u should know Muslim believe in all the messengers..

[136] Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and the Tribes, and that given to Musa and 'Isa, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference between one and another of them: and we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (2:136)

The apostle believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His apostles; We make no difference between any of His apostles; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.
(2:285)..

But...the previous scriptures...

But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).
(5:13)

.....u should know that...the last messenger...

And Muhammad is no more than an apostle; the apostles have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful. (3:144)

...and Allah sent the last messenger prophet , Muhammad to..

And We have not sent you but to all the men as a bearer of good news and as a warner, but most men do not know.
(34:28)

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finally....

[2] Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to Allah's Will) in Islam (15:2)
.........

[95] For sufficient are We unto thee against those who scoff,
[96] Those who adopt, with Allah, another god: but soon will they come to know. (15:95-96)

 

[duskiness]

can't you just acknowledge that you follow different paths and even if you can't understand each other, learn to respect that these beliefs are important to people. you are not going to convince each other anyway - and why should you?

hi there...
Maybe i'm one-sided, but i would say that most christian members who post on regular basis here, "acknowledge that we follow different paths" without problems. It's true that we rarely leave comments about our faith unanswered, and sometimes we loose our temper, but Snakelegs! it's our faith! it's normal we are emotional about it!
although i bet that this Mulism-Christian "battle ground" must be boring for someone who is not standing on one of the sides.
Even i get sometimes bored with it! :giggling:

 

[islamicfajr]

The Methodology of Giving Da'wa

Hello...glo..

u wellcome here..

There is one thing I have learned about evangelising/dawah - and that's that is can only ever be that: the explaining of one's faith to a willing ear.

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The Methodology of Giving Da'wah

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قُلْ هَـذِهِ سَبِيلِي أَدْعُو إِلَى اللّهِ عَلَى بَصِيرَةٍ أَنَاْ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِي وَسُبْحَانَ اللّهِ وَمَا أَنَاْ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ


Say (O Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)): "This is my way; I invite unto Allâh (i.e. to the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism) with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me (also must invite others to Allâh i.e to the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism) with sure knowledge. And Glorified and Exalted be Allâh (above all that they associate as partners with Him). And I am not of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh; those who worship others along with Allâh or set up rivals or partners to Allâh)."
Yusuf (12):108

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ادْعُ إِلِى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ

Invite (mankind, O Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islâm) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'ân) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.

An-Nahl (16):125

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وَلَا تُجَادِلُوا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ وَقُولُوا آمَنَّا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَأُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ وَإِلَهُنَا وَإِلَهُكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner, inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them): "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh), and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."

Al-'Ankabut (29)

 

[islamicfajr]

no compulsion in religion of islam

....glo....

In the meantime, I will continue to follow Jesus Christ as the risen Son of God, and my personal saviour.
The Bible tells me so!

Allah saied :

Let there be no compulsion in religion: .....(2:256)

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Also Allah saied in: surat Al-Kafiroun

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[1] Say: O ye that reject Faith!

[2] I worship not that which ye worship,

[3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

[4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

[5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

[6] To you be your Way, and to me mine​

 

[therebbe]

it's k study it and come and feel free...

It's obvious you do not understand.

I said I would believe the complete BS you are spilling to all of us if I did not study the Tanakh.

But I do study it, and realise that you are deceptive and that you spread lies and mistranslate verses.

 

[glo]

... , but i would say that most christian members who post on regular basis here, "acknowledge that we follow different paths" without problems.

Hi duskiness

I agree with what you say, but i think we have to recognise that those non-Muslims who stick it out in this forum as long as we have, must - by definition - have be fairly tolerant and respecting towards other faiths ... otherwise we would have gotten ourselves banned or we would have given up this forum a long time ago!

However, that does not mean that we are necessarily representative of all Christians!
I have seen Christians say painfully ignorant and hurtful things about Islam and other faiths - not so much here, as in other forums ( you know ... )

Even i get sometimes bored with it! :giggling:

No kidding!
I'm feeling old and worn-out when I read threads like this!

I wonder if anybody might be interested in discussing the trinity ... :hiding:

LOL

glo

 

[glo]

Re: no compulsion in religion of islam

Hello...glo..

u wellcome here..




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The Methodology of Giving Da'wah
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....glo....


Allah saied :

Let there be no compulsion in religion: .....(2:256)

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Also Allah saied in: surat Al-Kafiroun

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

[1] Say: O ye that reject Faith!

[2] I worship not that which ye worship,

[3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

[4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

[5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

[6] To you be your Way, and to me mine​

Thank you for bringing these things to my attention.

If those are the principles of Islam, can I ask you why you then feel the need to attack my faith in the manner you do?
Should it not be enough that I have my way, and you have yours?

Can I respectfully ask you not to post threads which undermine and attack Christianity?
It would go a long way to create understanding, peace and friendship between our faiths.

I have spent many hours in this forum trying to explain my faith and clarify misunderstandings - as have many of my Christian brothers and sisters here.
Please feel free to browse the various threads. You may find them interesting!

May God's peace and blessing be with you, islamicfajr!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I dont think anyone really wants to attack another persons religion( I hope so). I think sometimes some us dont start it out right and ive seen it. But I still havent gotten a perfectly clear answer to the trinity. I understand people explain in the way they understand it but it doesnt click to me =\
Neways..dont hate, appreciate!

Peace

 

[snakelegs]

hi there...
Maybe i'm one-sided, but i would say that most christian members who post on regular basis here, "acknowledge that we follow different paths" without problems. It's true that we rarely leave comments about our faith unanswered, and sometimes we loose our temper, but Snakelegs! it's our faith! it's normal we are emotional about it!
although i bet that this Mulism-Christian "battle ground" must be boring for someone who is not standing on one of the sides.
Even i get sometimes bored with it! :giggling:

duskiness,
you are right! none of the regular people here who identify themselves as christian have been guilty of this. if fact, you are some of the best christians i have ever run in to!
the others usually don't last. also, i think i am guilty of making assumptions about those "undisclosed" being christian.
do you see any point in christians and muslims playing these games of "mine is better than yours - yours is wrong and nothing but lies?"
yes, it is natural to be emotional about your faith, but i see nothing beneficial about posting threads like this one (and at least 9 other similar ones recently, for example). it accomplishes nothing except to hurt the feelings of other members.
we need to learn to live together and appreciate that we are different. and that is how it should be, in my opinion.

 

[snakelegs]

The problem is that the bickering between Muslims and Christians are so big is because there paths contradict. Both cannot be right... and one has to be lieing.

aha, this is exactly what is inherently bad about the concept of One True Religion! this view makes a religion dependent on others being false or wrong, or lies. can't a person follow their own religion without condemning others?
personally, i think there are positive things in all religions, as well as negative, but i see this One True Religion concept as a definite negative.
why do some people need to constantly "prove" others are wrong? why not just concentrating on being the best muslim, christian, jew etc. that you can? - this should be pretty much a full time job in itself.

 

[Joe98]

Where Muslims believe this:

Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus …is a messenger from God.

He was sent from God Almighty to deliver God's words to his people.

Jesus was never God, nor ever claimed to be God.

I say that belief is fair enough. It is consistent with other Muslims beliefs





Where Muslims believe this:

……that Jesus …never died on the cross….…

That is a completely silly belief. It sounds like it was invented by Muslims for their own purpose.

If, instead, Muslims said: “Jesus died on the cross but we don’t believe the next part” This would make Islam believable.

Instead, this one point makes Islam look silly and therefore everything about Islam must be false.

 

[snakelegs]

If, instead, Muslims said: “Jesus died on the cross but we don’t believe the next part” This would make Islam believable.

Instead, this one point makes Islam look silly and therefore everything about Islam must be false.

silly to you maybe, but not silly to the millions of people who follow this religion.
i have no beliefs about jesus, but i don't think either christians or muslims are "silly" for the way they regard him, even if i don't understand it.
i see no point in calling others' beliefs "silly".

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

So much for us "Muslims" attacking the faith of a Christian. Lets not be picky guys! No one here is exactly innocent!

 

[islamicfajr]

hello..therebbe..

I believe Monotheism is correct, but the teachings and beliefs of some religions are wrong. To clarify.

.......that is islam..one nation...pray & prayer to one God (Allah)..

and followed the last prophet of God....

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things). (49:13)


And verily this Brotherhood of yours is a single Brotherhood. And I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore fear Me (and no other). (23:52)

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood....(49:10)..

And hold fast, all together, by the Rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; ....(3:103)

peace,

islamicfajr

 

[islamicfajr]

hello...Keltoi....

I don't view Judaism or Islam as "wrong", as long as the ultimate goal is peace, understanding, and the worship of the One God. Yes, we differ in many things, but to me the most important aspect of all of this is our belief in God.

...

u but ur hand in the right start...

Read ... and think deeply before you answer..

It is religion of Islam.

It is the religion that Mohammad-peace upon him- the last prophet,
had been sent by Allah..

http://www.islamicboard.com/515605-post15.html

Who is the Awaited Prophet in the Bible?


Prophet Muhammad in the Bible......

Muhummed The Natural Successor To Christ

Concerning the Authenticity of the Bible

finally.... Let the Bible Speak


It is the religion that the right Bible- which is not distorted-has preached.
Just have a look at The Bible of (Bernaba).
Don't be emstional.
Be rational and judge..
Just look..listen...compare..and then judge and say your word..

"50,000 Errors In The Bible"...

Is The Bible God's Word?

The True Message of Jesus Christ

The "God" That Never Was


peace'

islamicfajr

 

[snakelegs]

repeatedly talking about one's faith despite people not being interested, or aggressively trying to undermine other people's faith - is just counterproductive, will only lead to division and tension between faiths, and will never ever lead people to the religion in question!

Your approach here may make for lengthy threads and many replies, but if your intention is truly to show people true Islam, you are going the wrong way about it!
It is the quiet and peaceful members in this forum who gain my respect and prick my interest in thei religion - they are the ones more likely to turn people towards Islam than people like you ever will!

well said, glo! i agree completely.

 

[north_malaysian]

actually, i am getting tired of all the "my religion is better than yours" and the "what's wrong with your religion" threads.

Most of the time I feel the same too....

Everyone knows that for Muslims .... Islam is superior than other religions...

Everyone knows that for non-Muslims ... their respective religion is superior than Islam...

We just need a dialogue or Q&A about whatever religious topics.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you snakelegs,

You have some remarkable qualities, you need a job as a peacemaker, or in an interfaith organisation or maybe the UN.

May God continue to bless you

Eric