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If you died today would you go to heaven

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how would some one know. only Allah knows where you will end up. there are so many ways to go to jannah and there are so many ways that will take you to jahanam.

to be honest this poll is kind of useless

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barney said:
England. Is it just a gut feeling that causes your beleif in this...or something else?
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It's just what I believe in. I believe in spiritualism, and at the same time I don't believe religion is a factor in the afterlife. We're all equal, if you choose to worship God 5 times a day, devote your life to God then so be it, but what I believe is that everyone's going to the same place regardless of that. What I do believe is that it is the attitude of your heart that God cares about. If you've lived life free of evil then you'll be fine.

It's not just my belief alone. MANY people believe it as you can see by the rise of such programmes as "crossing over with John Edwards" and "Colin Fry" etc etc.

I'm not religious or some spiritual freak but what I do feel is the protection and guidance from spirits. We're being looked after. The thing that makes it even better is that the people that believe this don't force their beliefs down your throats or try to convert you to the belief. If you believe it then ok... whatever. It makes no difference to me or any other person that believes this.
 
Thats a really interesting perspective.
I'd agree with it except for the spirits part, which I'm a bit wary about.

Peace.
 
England said:
I'm not religious or some spiritual freak but what I do feel is the protection and guidance from spirits. We're being looked after. The thing that makes it even better is that the people that believe this don't force their beliefs down your throats or try to convert you to the belief. If you believe it then ok... whatever. It makes no difference to me or any other person that believes this.
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so then you believe God will create something as sophisticated as earth and place you on it without an instructor or a manual :?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
so then you believe God will create something as sophisticated as earth and place you on it without an instructor or a manual :?
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Yes. I've lived on this earth, I've not read any "rules or manuals from God" but I know what the difference between good and bad is. I believe we're put on here to live your life without committing any evil acts such as paedophilia, murder or any other harm to God's "children." God didn't put me on this earth to worship. God gave me life just as my parents gave me birth. I don't worship my parents nor do they expect me to, they didn't HAVE to have me. To me God is like a Father, he loves his "children" but if they commit any evil acts without regret then he will punish his children just as our parents would punish us. He won't punish us for not going down on our knees 5 times a day or by keeping away from pork or from listening to music etc.

They are what I and many people believe. You don't hear much of this because nobody is interested in spreading the message. It's not like religion where people look for numbers.

barney
Thats a really interesting perspective.
I'd agree with it except for the spirits part, which I'm a bit wary about.

Peace.
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I used to think "hahaha spirits? Nutter" myself. My mum took to me and my sister to a spiritualist church a few times when I was about 16. We both giggled, I thought we were going to get thrown out. Eventually after a few more visits when we started to get readings I was amazed at the accuracy of the readings and started to wonder "maybe they aren't as nutty as I thought." Even scientists cannot explain the accuracy of these spiritualist readings.
 
ye spiritualists might be getting help from jinns ;)

lol ok England i wish guidance for us both :)

i just find it impossible that a person will leave someone to find out right and wrong for themselves without direction, thats like sending a kid to primary school without a teacher... whats he going to do? lol

well we both have our views :)
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
ye spiritualists might be getting help from jinns ;)

lol ok England i wish guidance for us both :)

i just find it impossible that a person will leave someone to find out right and wrong for themselves without direction, thats like sending a kid to primary school without a teacher... whats he going to do? lol

well we both have our views :)
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Jinns? What's that? Would these "Jinns" be claiming to be related to the people that are getting the readings? Would these "Jinns" that, on one occasion, be pretending to be "Catherine" my mum's aunt and tell the medium that her twin brother, my Grandad, had found a cribbage board earlier in the week that he had lost for 15-20 years? Nobody knew this until we got home, rang asked him. He claims to be a sceptic but he told us to "shut up" and that it was bothering him. He told us that things like that scare him. I think he believes in it now but still pretends not to.

You find it impossible that a "PERSON" would leave someone to find out from right or wrong for themselves? Since when was God a PERSON? He gave us a brain, he gave us enough intelligence to know from right and wrong. God is mysterious. He is not a person. Don't try to think of logical explanations of God's actions. You tend to look too deeply into things.
 
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I'll only vote if 'Specsavers' is added to the poll. Maybe.

But seriously, I dunno if I'll go to heaven. I hope I will.
 
Karina said:
I would like to hope I am not living such a selfish life as to plan every one of my actions in the hope I will go to "heaven" & so that I do not go to "hell"!

I would like to hope that I am tyring to make my life, and the life of those around me better, without underlying self centred thoughts & ulterior motives of securing my own fate after death.
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Karina, I don't see these concepts as mutually exclusive.

I believe that one can live one's life just as you describe and still have the assurance that there is a heaven and even that one is assured of it. One does not have to live all of life as if buying fire insurance. Indeed when the way to heaven is found in being conformed to the image of Christ place within us, then the life you speak of and the Christian life are one in the same, and one lives it not to seek heaven, but to live the life of Christ in this world.
 
barney said:
It's on Kolob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

You get loads of stuff free and dont have to work for it and your assigned a planet of your own to rule. Which would be pretty cool.

Mines going to be made out of gataux and have a ice-Cream sea. the trees are going to grow beer bottles on them.
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You should check out the Mormons, all 144,000 that make it to heaven get to be god of a planet of their own.:rollseyes
 
I've read many things in this post about baptism and works and that my belief when I say I know I'll go to heaven is based on something I've done and is arrogant (actually I agree that it would be arrogant to assume that I could do so well here that I would assure myself a place in heaven).
Why I believe this is not based on any of these things, after all the one thief on the cross who recognized Jesus as Lord didn't get baptised or do any good deeds. Basically the only thing he had time to do was die and Jesus told him He would see him in heaven. My believing starts with grace.
Grace makes heaven a free gift. Paul writes in Romans:
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life ...."
Also I neither earn or deserve it because grace is written of again in Ephesians:
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

If someone were to buy me an expensive gift and I tried to give them a few bucks it would no longer be a gift. So I cannot add to it, I can't pay for a gift or earn a gift I can only accept a gift.
 
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evangel said:
You should check out the Mormons, all 144,000 that make it to heaven get to be god of a planet of their own.:rollseyes
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barney said:
yah! I noes:D
Pretty rocking huh?
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I think you got a couple of groups combined in confusion.


Mormons don't have any limit on the number of God's spirit children who can eventually become gods of their own worlds.

Jehovah's Witnesses limit to 144,000 the number who will reign with God in heaven and the rest who are found worthy will live in a paradise of God's creation on this earth.


Can anyone else see why I don't consider either of these two groups Christian?
(In truth, it isn't their warped views of heaven but their warped views of Christ which cause me to make that statement.)
 
Grace Seeker said:
I think you got a couple of groups combined in confusion.


Mormons don't have any limit on the number of God's spirit children who can eventually become gods of their own worlds.

Jehovah's Witnesses limit to 144,000 the number who will reign with God in heaven and the rest who are found worthy will live in a paradise of God's creation on this earth.


Can anyone else see why I don't consider either of these two groups Christian?
(In truth, it isn't their warped views of heaven but their warped views of Christ which cause me to make that statement.)
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Thanks, it's hard keeping the different cults staight. Just think, one of these future planet commanders is running for president.
 
ranma1/2 said:
But remember atheism only deals with "god" many atheist do believe in things including some sort of after life.
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Can you explain this to me? I have a hard time seeing how the two can fit in one cosmology. I understand how Buddhism teaches this, but not non-religious atheism.
 
ranma1/2 said:
lol i like the atheist one. But remember atheism only deals with "god" many atheist do believe in things including some sort of after life.
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Grace Seeker said:
Can you explain this to me? I have a hard time seeing how the two can fit in one cosmology. I understand how Buddhism teaches this, but not non-religious atheism.
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That's called hedging your bet, but when you bet on both sides you still lose it may not seem that you lose as much but you gain nothing.
 
Any need to hedge a bet?

I would assume that a Atheist would discard the need for a afterlife.
So who's going to pay the bet if you win?

Sounds more like polythisim to me :)
 
Grace Seeker said:
Can you explain this to me? I have a hard time seeing how the two can fit in one cosmology. I understand how Buddhism teaches this, but not non-religious atheism.
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all atheism deals with is the existence in a god or gods or not.
the supernatural, life after death, morality, what i had for lunch etc.. is a seperate matter.

Atheist do tend to be skeptics and as such likely do not believe in the afterlife but thats just for those particular atheist and not atheism as a whole.
 

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